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been like it for quite a few games now, and I don't think this is helping the team.
As supporters, how do we 'fix' this? We should be singing, lifting the team.
We are dropping the ball.
Do we need to move Blue Action into the center of the stand (and further back), sort out the acoustics in the North Lower? put an upper age limit on Lower North? Kick out people that don't sing in there?
I don't think you can "fix" it. Football stadiums and supporters are pretty organic things, it's difficult to find ways to change their habits. Long term you can use groups like Blue Action to change the culture, you could work on the acoustics of the stands even, but short term the only thing that's going to have much of an impact is what's happening on the pitch.
People are edgy because there's a lot to lose from here. I do wonder if getting promoted and not being expected to win every single week might make a difference.
That win will likely help massively. I think people were waiting for us to concede again. It was a massive three points for confidence and mentality.
Just as confidence breeds more confidence, fear is likely to grow. Not just talking about the recent Home draws this season, but what the fans have experienced for years, hope snatched away and seeming progress grinding to a halt.
Morale is fragile, fuelled by the desperation to get promoted this season and worry about what may happen (loss of manager, players, interest by owners) if we're not.
That all creates a tension and a tendency to overreact to every reverse.
We’ve been trying to convince the club to move us central since we started, but they’re obviously reluctant to upset the folk that would have to move to make space.
In my opinion, which might not be popular, every fan (north standers especially) need to take a bit of responsibility and play their part when it comes to backing the team. Even if it means just clapping along to songs.
We don’t expect everyone to sing for 90 minutes every game, but when the team need us to help them get a winner or see out a game, 90% are still just standing in silence.
Why should the old guard who have been there since Facters was merely elderly move? Why does it have to be the North stand?
If we could relocate the singers en masse to section(s) that fitted them all would that do it? It puts up a sense that either a) singing is a must constantly b) only up to BA etc now and I think you'll get people not doing it on purpose.
The problem is, as a spectacle and a past time football has become a lot more inclusive and diverse so there's a lot of loose ends to get something to change. I'm not saying we should just give up and allow silence to creep in, but the World Cup is a good example of why atmosphere varies so much and is linked to performances isn't it?
We seem to be measuring things against the social media fantasy of beerchuckers and gurning self-filmers unfortunately.
We’ve been trying to convince the club to move us central since we started, but they’re obviously reluctant to upset the folk that would have to move to make space.
In my opinion, which might not be popular, every fan (north standers especially) need to take a bit of responsibility and play their part when it comes to backing the team. Even if it means just clapping along to songs.
We don’t expect everyone to sing for 90 minutes every game, but when the team need us to help them get a winner or see out a game, 90% are still just standing in silence.
I think we do our best in upper SBR, but I don't think things are helped by the fact that the two levels don't really seem part of the same stand, given that the lower level is not visible from the upper, with the result that separate songs can break out at the same time in the two levels.
Actually things were much better earlier in the season, and there were occasions when much of the stadium appeared to be singing in unison.
Admittedly, we were playing much better football then but we also need to do the same in every game, however well or badly we are playing.
Your last sentence; how do you propose to do that? Get them to sign an undertaking when they purchase their season ticket that they will sing and chant?
We’ve been trying to convince the club to move us central since we started, but they’re obviously reluctant to upset the folk that would have to move to make space.
In my opinion, which might not be popular, every fan (north standers especially) need to take a bit of responsibility and play their part when it comes to backing the team. Even if it means just clapping along to songs.
We don’t expect everyone to sing for 90 minutes every game, but when the team need us to help them get a winner or see out a game, 90% are still just standing in silence.
Let’s face it, Saturday was near freezing. I’m not surprised 80% of the crowd was doing all it could to conserve energy!
BA is great in what is does for the crowd by the way.
Why is Blue Action only a North Stand thing? I understand it presumably started there, yes PR looks to the North to make things happen but one of your points is about fans taking responsibility for bringing an atmosphere - I agree, it is up to all the fans irrespective of what is happening on the pitch.
I think other stands need to contribute particularly Churchman’s but most don’t know how! BA needs a Churchman’s branch!
I sit in Pioneer these days with family, there is a little singing but it’s more clapping. There is a bit of singing at Hey Jude, corners and we’re the blue army for example.
Another factor is that there are many new supporters coming to games, it’s not surprising the stadium feels a bit disconnected at times, this is a good thing in terms of people switching into ITFC but we who’ve been doing this for years all do need to do our bit and pull the team through 2023, we have such an opportunity we must try to keep the mood positive and the stadium buoyant.
We’ve been trying to convince the club to move us central since we started, but they’re obviously reluctant to upset the folk that would have to move to make space.
In my opinion, which might not be popular, every fan (north standers especially) need to take a bit of responsibility and play their part when it comes to backing the team. Even if it means just clapping along to songs.
We don’t expect everyone to sing for 90 minutes every game, but when the team need us to help them get a winner or see out a game, 90% are still just standing in silence.
There is a will to sing and support the team in SARL but not the organisation to get people singing together.
It just needs someone to orchestrate things, someone like this
Why should the old guard who have been there since Facters was merely elderly move? Why does it have to be the North stand?
If we could relocate the singers en masse to section(s) that fitted them all would that do it? It puts up a sense that either a) singing is a must constantly b) only up to BA etc now and I think you'll get people not doing it on purpose.
The problem is, as a spectacle and a past time football has become a lot more inclusive and diverse so there's a lot of loose ends to get something to change. I'm not saying we should just give up and allow silence to creep in, but the World Cup is a good example of why atmosphere varies so much and is linked to performances isn't it?
We seem to be measuring things against the social media fantasy of beerchuckers and gurning self-filmers unfortunately.
It could be, and possibly should be another stand. You cannot easily ask fans to move in lower north and the acoustics are crap in lower north now anyway so you would not choose that stand if you were looking for a singing stand.
They screwed up the north stand when they put that second tier on top
But we need a proper singing stand full of singers who can get behind the team when they need that extra but.
knocking down churchmans and putting a custom built kop would be ideal.
That win will likely help massively. I think people were waiting for us to concede again. It was a massive three points for confidence and mentality.
I think it’s definitely down to the crowd waiting for the second goal, and to see who scores it, crowd gets going for 5-10 minutes after we get a goal, then the anxious waiting kicks In, mainly due to at least 10 years of throwing away leads, and just generally poor football.. apart from a patch under McCarthy.. we need to shake that off as a team, club, fanbase.. but ultimately it boils down to confidence on the field, once we start killing games off, with greater score lines that nervousness will change I’m sure.
Let’s face it, Saturday was near freezing. I’m not surprised 80% of the crowd was doing all it could to conserve energy!
BA is great in what is does for the crowd by the way.
Why is Blue Action only a North Stand thing? I understand it presumably started there, yes PR looks to the North to make things happen but one of your points is about fans taking responsibility for bringing an atmosphere - I agree, it is up to all the fans irrespective of what is happening on the pitch.
I think other stands need to contribute particularly Churchman’s but most don’t know how! BA needs a Churchman’s branch!
I sit in Pioneer these days with family, there is a little singing but it’s more clapping. There is a bit of singing at Hey Jude, corners and we’re the blue army for example.
Another factor is that there are many new supporters coming to games, it’s not surprising the stadium feels a bit disconnected at times, this is a good thing in terms of people switching into ITFC but we who’ve been doing this for years all do need to do our bit and pull the team through 2023, we have such an opportunity we must try to keep the mood positive and the stadium buoyant.
One big practical reason is that the North Stand Lower is the only place everyone is stood up. Rest of the stadium is seated and if you stood you'd get other fans/stewards on you.
Mostly true, but I would say that the period of pressure we had at the start of the second half was the rare culmination of the crowd getting up (due to brilliant Ipswich pressing and a few dodgy reffing decisions) and ending in a goal from a combination of set pieces (with a proper roar when we scored and a good few choruses of songs after.
I’m still insistent that the problem is the sound in the North Stand - I bet the Blue Action lads would be surprised if they stood in my seat on the other side of the lower tier (section 4) and heard both a) that no Blue Action chant can be heard from there (and only the rare few that make it across because it’s been picked up by the middle section do) and b) how many willing singers we have - the section of younger lads near the wall for the edge of the stand are especially good, week in, week out.
We’ve been trying to convince the club to move us central since we started, but they’re obviously reluctant to upset the folk that would have to move to make space.
In my opinion, which might not be popular, every fan (north standers especially) need to take a bit of responsibility and play their part when it comes to backing the team. Even if it means just clapping along to songs.
We don’t expect everyone to sing for 90 minutes every game, but when the team need us to help them get a winner or see out a game, 90% are still just standing in silence.
I will never understand why anyone would sit in the NSL and not join in the singing/clapping.
It’s an awful view with the only draw to sit there to be part of the atmosphere.
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