| Mick speaks… 19:09 - Jan 20 with 4512 views | unstableblue |
‘I’d have sacked myself at Cardiff but it’s great to be back in the game at Blackpool’
Good luck to him and Terry.
I predict them saving them from relegation! Yay… then Blackpool fans recoiling at the football fare.
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| Mick speaks… on 20:56 - Jan 20 with 3775 views | Skip_Intro |
he'll be fine...there are plenty of donkeys in Blackpool... |  | | |
| Mick speaks… on 21:05 - Jan 20 with 3746 views | ibbleobble |
Who cares? He’s old news in every way imaginable. Cook, Hurst and Lambert barely get mentions so I’m not sure why he’s still news worthy. Nothing would be sweeter than passing him on our way up after the BCWYWF nonsense. |  | | |
| Mick speaks… on 21:29 - Jan 20 with 3640 views | Trequartista |
MM and TC will be looking to avoid a 9th consecutive defeat. |  |
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| Mick speaks… on 21:59 - Jan 20 with 3530 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Mick speaks… on 21:05 - Jan 20 by ibbleobble |
Who cares? He’s old news in every way imaginable. Cook, Hurst and Lambert barely get mentions so I’m not sure why he’s still news worthy. Nothing would be sweeter than passing him on our way up after the BCWYWF nonsense. |
If they stay up and we get promoted it would be equally sweet if he got sacked following his teams loss to us next season. |  | | |
| Mick speaks… on 22:25 - Jan 20 with 3422 views | SitfcB |
| Mick speaks… on 21:05 - Jan 20 by ibbleobble |
Who cares? He’s old news in every way imaginable. Cook, Hurst and Lambert barely get mentions so I’m not sure why he’s still news worthy. Nothing would be sweeter than passing him on our way up after the BCWYWF nonsense. |
Cook, Hurst and Lambert don’t get mentions because they’re not worthy.
Mick a big part of our recent history and was a good manager for us, he’s worthy of still talking about. |  |
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| Mick speaks… on 00:20 - Jan 21 with 3201 views | OsborneOneNil |
Huge first game, home to Huddersfield, who are also pants. |  | | |
| Mick speaks… on 04:00 - Jan 21 with 3064 views | ibbleobble |
| Mick speaks… on 22:25 - Jan 20 by SitfcB |
Cook, Hurst and Lambert don’t get mentions because they’re not worthy.
Mick a big part of our recent history and was a good manager for us, he’s worthy of still talking about. |
Good is subjective and he hasn’t achieved a noteworthy accolade in management in 12 years unless you count our play-off year and that recent history wasn’t much to speak of. Time to move on. | | | |
| Mick speaks… on 07:27 - Jan 21 with 2937 views | Churchman |
I think if I was the Blackpool owner my concern would be why Cardiff fell apart as they did under MM. I watched one of the games on Sky and they were abject. Putting it bluntly, are his methods out of date?
Personally as a short term fix he will do well for them. It’s what he’s good at. |  | | |
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| Mick speaks… on 08:41 - Jan 21 with 2778 views | Simonds92 |
| Mick speaks… on 07:27 - Jan 21 by Churchman |
I think if I was the Blackpool owner my concern would be why Cardiff fell apart as they did under MM. I watched one of the games on Sky and they were abject. Putting it bluntly, are his methods out of date?
Personally as a short term fix he will do well for them. It’s what he’s good at. |
Are his methods out of date? Yes. They were out of date 10 years ago. | | | |
| Mick speaks… on 08:54 - Jan 21 with 2742 views | SitfcB |
| Mick speaks… on 04:00 - Jan 21 by ibbleobble |
Good is subjective and he hasn’t achieved a noteworthy accolade in management in 12 years unless you count our play-off year and that recent history wasn’t much to speak of. Time to move on. |
Very much moved on but he’s still allowed to be discussed.
We literally got relegated after he had left by the way. | |
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| Mick speaks… on 09:24 - Jan 21 with 2663 views | Mullet |
| Mick speaks… on 08:54 - Jan 21 by SitfcB |
Very much moved on but he’s still allowed to be discussed.
We literally got relegated after he had left by the way. |
Bizarre seeing people still climbing over themselves to prove how wrong they were then, and still are now. Only one of us has spent time in the Championship since he left and the arse fell out of the club. |  |
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| Mick speaks… on 09:25 - Jan 21 with 2658 views | Darth_Koont |
Although in our case, after he kept us up, he turned us into a promotion-chasing team within 2 years and actually brought a few thousand fans back. All in the Championship and with relatively limited funding compared to the competition.
Our best period in the past 15 years. I love McKenna and what he’s trying to do – and hopefully he’ll lead us to even better times – but we’re not there yet. |  |
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| Mick speaks… on 10:04 - Jan 21 with 2488 views | ibbleobble |
| Mick speaks… on 09:24 - Jan 21 by Mullet |
Bizarre seeing people still climbing over themselves to prove how wrong they were then, and still are now. Only one of us has spent time in the Championship since he left and the arse fell out of the club. |
Really? His ‘success’ and ‘greatness’ was a hollow discussion years ago let alone now - it’s actually quite contrived given the change in the club since then. For all the clamour and gesticulation and BCWYWF bandwagon that came with it, we actually have a brimming stadium, scarce away day tickets, fantastic new ownership and football worth the entry fee as well as a bright aspiring manager. In short, the contrast couldn’t be starker.
If you’d rather him and Evans were still here in contrast to what we have now, irrespective of division, you’re mad. And before you retort that they’re irrespective of each other, they’re not. The cadence has led to this which a lot of folk were prepared to gamble on - well done to those who aired their frustration in the right manner to bring about long term change no matter how it occurred. | | | |
| Mick speaks… on 11:04 - Jan 21 with 2388 views | Darth_Koont |
| Mick speaks… on 10:04 - Jan 21 by ibbleobble |
Really? His ‘success’ and ‘greatness’ was a hollow discussion years ago let alone now - it’s actually quite contrived given the change in the club since then. For all the clamour and gesticulation and BCWYWF bandwagon that came with it, we actually have a brimming stadium, scarce away day tickets, fantastic new ownership and football worth the entry fee as well as a bright aspiring manager. In short, the contrast couldn’t be starker.
If you’d rather him and Evans were still here in contrast to what we have now, irrespective of division, you’re mad. And before you retort that they’re irrespective of each other, they’re not. The cadence has led to this which a lot of folk were prepared to gamble on - well done to those who aired their frustration in the right manner to bring about long term change no matter how it occurred. |
Mick was never the problem though.
Other solutions were available but that’s a different much more nuanced discussion given Mick overperformed massively where others like Jewell and Hurst and Lambert failed miserably.
McKenna has arrived within a club in a lower league and with massive spending relative to the rest of the league where the only way is up. Reasons for optimism, clearly, and we’ve had the luxury of building a squad with senior players doubling and tripling up throughout. And it’s generally entertaining to watch.
But ignoring what Mick did, or saying we could have done better with someone else, seems a little bit of a fantasy. That’s clearly a reflection of how you’d like football in the Championship to be, not how it actually is. | |
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| Mick speaks… on 11:13 - Jan 21 with 2350 views | Chrisd |
Hope MM keeps them up, but he's not the long term answer, especially with the football that Blackpool fans can expect over the next few months. The game has moved on, but he'll do a decent job in the short term, but it won't be pretty. [Post edited 21 Jan 2023 11:18]
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| Mick speaks… on 11:19 - Jan 21 with 2325 views | unstableblue |
| Mick speaks… on 10:04 - Jan 21 by ibbleobble |
Really? His ‘success’ and ‘greatness’ was a hollow discussion years ago let alone now - it’s actually quite contrived given the change in the club since then. For all the clamour and gesticulation and BCWYWF bandwagon that came with it, we actually have a brimming stadium, scarce away day tickets, fantastic new ownership and football worth the entry fee as well as a bright aspiring manager. In short, the contrast couldn’t be starker.
If you’d rather him and Evans were still here in contrast to what we have now, irrespective of division, you’re mad. And before you retort that they’re irrespective of each other, they’re not. The cadence has led to this which a lot of folk were prepared to gamble on - well done to those who aired their frustration in the right manner to bring about long term change no matter how it occurred. |
There’s never nuance to the Mick discussion, and a lot of myths bandied about, and entrenched positions. You get comments like this - “Bizarre seeing people still climbing over themselves to prove how wrong they were then, and still are now”
To suggest it was wrong to get rid of Mick at the time is truly bizarre
It was an awful time at the club, the football was unwatchable, fans were staying away in their 1000s, there was poison in the stands, and the footballing tactics and ethos were very questionable. Anyone stating it was a mistake to let him go is truly bizarre.
Where people get confused is they conflate the terrible appointment of Hurst and then Lambert with Mick leaving. Our demise was down to Evans running the club into the ground and making appalling CEO and managerial decisions.
There are other myths that we didn’t get through the play-offs because Evans didn’t back Mick.. he was offered money in the transfer window but didn’t want to disrupt the squad (take note McKenna). The football style and approach we were following were never going to get us through the play-offs. Cracks were already appearing.
BUT, and here’s the nuance… Mick is a good manager, yes he is from a different era, and doesn’t have the same approach and methods as McKenna. But he didn’t have the structures and funding around him that gamechanger have brought (you could argue Mick wouldn’t fit well into this kind of model anyway.) Despite Mick working in a failing club, he performed miracles to keep us up and then put together a run to the play offs with at times some exciting football built on a Murphy wunder season. He’s clearly a good man manager as ex players testify, and he had an eye for a good player.. see Mings and Cresswell.
He took Cardiff on a great run of results, before it turning into the kind of sh!tshow we experienced… with the style of football loathed.
So it’s not black and white. But certainly bizarre to ignore how bad it got at Town under him, bizarre to ignore how well he’d done before that, weird to blame our demise on Mick leaving rather than Evans strategy. | |
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| Mick speaks… on 11:28 - Jan 21 with 2286 views | ibbleobble |
| Mick speaks… on 11:04 - Jan 21 by Darth_Koont |
Mick was never the problem though.
Other solutions were available but that’s a different much more nuanced discussion given Mick overperformed massively where others like Jewell and Hurst and Lambert failed miserably.
McKenna has arrived within a club in a lower league and with massive spending relative to the rest of the league where the only way is up. Reasons for optimism, clearly, and we’ve had the luxury of building a squad with senior players doubling and tripling up throughout. And it’s generally entertaining to watch.
But ignoring what Mick did, or saying we could have done better with someone else, seems a little bit of a fantasy. That’s clearly a reflection of how you’d like football in the Championship to be, not how it actually is. |
To add more context to that too which is always glossed over, Mick stated in one of his opening pressers that his aim was promotion. It took him 6 season plus to barely lay a glove on that bold ambition - that’s failure. No doubt he could have / should have been backed better but he knew the odds coming in.
I’m disappointed to see him back in truth. Journeymen managers are as forgettable as most journeymen players. In my view he should have retired after the ROI handover. | | | |
| And of course I should add.. on 11:41 - Jan 21 with 2188 views | unstableblue |
| Mick speaks… on 11:19 - Jan 21 by unstableblue |
There’s never nuance to the Mick discussion, and a lot of myths bandied about, and entrenched positions. You get comments like this - “Bizarre seeing people still climbing over themselves to prove how wrong they were then, and still are now”
To suggest it was wrong to get rid of Mick at the time is truly bizarre
It was an awful time at the club, the football was unwatchable, fans were staying away in their 1000s, there was poison in the stands, and the footballing tactics and ethos were very questionable. Anyone stating it was a mistake to let him go is truly bizarre.
Where people get confused is they conflate the terrible appointment of Hurst and then Lambert with Mick leaving. Our demise was down to Evans running the club into the ground and making appalling CEO and managerial decisions.
There are other myths that we didn’t get through the play-offs because Evans didn’t back Mick.. he was offered money in the transfer window but didn’t want to disrupt the squad (take note McKenna). The football style and approach we were following were never going to get us through the play-offs. Cracks were already appearing.
BUT, and here’s the nuance… Mick is a good manager, yes he is from a different era, and doesn’t have the same approach and methods as McKenna. But he didn’t have the structures and funding around him that gamechanger have brought (you could argue Mick wouldn’t fit well into this kind of model anyway.) Despite Mick working in a failing club, he performed miracles to keep us up and then put together a run to the play offs with at times some exciting football built on a Murphy wunder season. He’s clearly a good man manager as ex players testify, and he had an eye for a good player.. see Mings and Cresswell.
He took Cardiff on a great run of results, before it turning into the kind of sh!tshow we experienced… with the style of football loathed.
So it’s not black and white. But certainly bizarre to ignore how bad it got at Town under him, bizarre to ignore how well he’d done before that, weird to blame our demise on Mick leaving rather than Evans strategy. |
… that you can’t really compare Mick and McKenna
Until McKenna has had a few years in the championship and we see how it gets on
Personally I’d rather watch McKenna in league one that those final two seasons under Mick in the Championship - but that’s just my opinion | |
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| Mick speaks… on 12:21 - Jan 21 with 2091 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Mick speaks… on 11:19 - Jan 21 by unstableblue |
There’s never nuance to the Mick discussion, and a lot of myths bandied about, and entrenched positions. You get comments like this - “Bizarre seeing people still climbing over themselves to prove how wrong they were then, and still are now”
To suggest it was wrong to get rid of Mick at the time is truly bizarre
It was an awful time at the club, the football was unwatchable, fans were staying away in their 1000s, there was poison in the stands, and the footballing tactics and ethos were very questionable. Anyone stating it was a mistake to let him go is truly bizarre.
Where people get confused is they conflate the terrible appointment of Hurst and then Lambert with Mick leaving. Our demise was down to Evans running the club into the ground and making appalling CEO and managerial decisions.
There are other myths that we didn’t get through the play-offs because Evans didn’t back Mick.. he was offered money in the transfer window but didn’t want to disrupt the squad (take note McKenna). The football style and approach we were following were never going to get us through the play-offs. Cracks were already appearing.
BUT, and here’s the nuance… Mick is a good manager, yes he is from a different era, and doesn’t have the same approach and methods as McKenna. But he didn’t have the structures and funding around him that gamechanger have brought (you could argue Mick wouldn’t fit well into this kind of model anyway.) Despite Mick working in a failing club, he performed miracles to keep us up and then put together a run to the play offs with at times some exciting football built on a Murphy wunder season. He’s clearly a good man manager as ex players testify, and he had an eye for a good player.. see Mings and Cresswell.
He took Cardiff on a great run of results, before it turning into the kind of sh!tshow we experienced… with the style of football loathed.
So it’s not black and white. But certainly bizarre to ignore how bad it got at Town under him, bizarre to ignore how well he’d done before that, weird to blame our demise on Mick leaving rather than Evans strategy. |
Agree with quite a bit of that. Small point of order tough, Jewell signed Cresswell. |  | | |
| Mick speaks… on 12:52 - Jan 21 with 1938 views | Mullet |
| Mick speaks… on 10:04 - Jan 21 by ibbleobble |
Really? His ‘success’ and ‘greatness’ was a hollow discussion years ago let alone now - it’s actually quite contrived given the change in the club since then. For all the clamour and gesticulation and BCWYWF bandwagon that came with it, we actually have a brimming stadium, scarce away day tickets, fantastic new ownership and football worth the entry fee as well as a bright aspiring manager. In short, the contrast couldn’t be starker.
If you’d rather him and Evans were still here in contrast to what we have now, irrespective of division, you’re mad. And before you retort that they’re irrespective of each other, they’re not. The cadence has led to this which a lot of folk were prepared to gamble on - well done to those who aired their frustration in the right manner to bring about long term change no matter how it occurred. |
Your first half is just blubbing, and blaming Mick for what some "fans" deserved. The second half is making up a load of old sh1te and putting it forward as my thoughts.
You lot are responsible for the mess, so well done indeed. It's set us back decades. Imagine this type of set up starting from mid-Championship not a whole league below and half a decade later.
Justifying it now under this guise is pathetic revisionism as per. | |
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| Mick speaks… on 12:57 - Jan 21 with 1900 views | Churchman |
| Mick speaks… on 11:19 - Jan 21 by unstableblue |
There’s never nuance to the Mick discussion, and a lot of myths bandied about, and entrenched positions. You get comments like this - “Bizarre seeing people still climbing over themselves to prove how wrong they were then, and still are now”
To suggest it was wrong to get rid of Mick at the time is truly bizarre
It was an awful time at the club, the football was unwatchable, fans were staying away in their 1000s, there was poison in the stands, and the footballing tactics and ethos were very questionable. Anyone stating it was a mistake to let him go is truly bizarre.
Where people get confused is they conflate the terrible appointment of Hurst and then Lambert with Mick leaving. Our demise was down to Evans running the club into the ground and making appalling CEO and managerial decisions.
There are other myths that we didn’t get through the play-offs because Evans didn’t back Mick.. he was offered money in the transfer window but didn’t want to disrupt the squad (take note McKenna). The football style and approach we were following were never going to get us through the play-offs. Cracks were already appearing.
BUT, and here’s the nuance… Mick is a good manager, yes he is from a different era, and doesn’t have the same approach and methods as McKenna. But he didn’t have the structures and funding around him that gamechanger have brought (you could argue Mick wouldn’t fit well into this kind of model anyway.) Despite Mick working in a failing club, he performed miracles to keep us up and then put together a run to the play offs with at times some exciting football built on a Murphy wunder season. He’s clearly a good man manager as ex players testify, and he had an eye for a good player.. see Mings and Cresswell.
He took Cardiff on a great run of results, before it turning into the kind of sh!tshow we experienced… with the style of football loathed.
So it’s not black and white. But certainly bizarre to ignore how bad it got at Town under him, bizarre to ignore how well he’d done before that, weird to blame our demise on Mick leaving rather than Evans strategy. |
Agree with this.
People like to beat others with the sarcastic line ‘but the football is better’ if we lose and refer to MMs time, but the fact of the matter is that Mick likes to set teams up and play a certain way. There is no denying he’s been effective and had a good managerial record at Championship level.
Personally, while I was over the moon that he got us out of Keane’s/Jewell’s mess and into the play offs. But I hated where the club was (decaying) and the way we played a lot of the time. There were great days and performances, but most of the time it was truly painful watching our every point is a prisoner style. With the numbers that stopped going, I was clearly not alone.
Credit where it’s due - we needed an MM after Calamity Jewell. The key point though is Mick had more than five years here. It was time for him and us to move on. It’s the way of things. I didn’t like some of the undeserved abuse he got at the end and certainly didn’t like the three that followed him. But the employment of hapless people, including a five year contract for windbag Lambert, by dementor Evans doesn’t detract from Mick’s time being up when he left.
I wish McCarthy and TC well. [Post edited 21 Jan 2023 13:11]
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| Mick speaks… on 12:59 - Jan 21 with 1883 views | Mullet |
| Mick speaks… on 11:19 - Jan 21 by unstableblue |
There’s never nuance to the Mick discussion, and a lot of myths bandied about, and entrenched positions. You get comments like this - “Bizarre seeing people still climbing over themselves to prove how wrong they were then, and still are now”
To suggest it was wrong to get rid of Mick at the time is truly bizarre
It was an awful time at the club, the football was unwatchable, fans were staying away in their 1000s, there was poison in the stands, and the footballing tactics and ethos were very questionable. Anyone stating it was a mistake to let him go is truly bizarre.
Where people get confused is they conflate the terrible appointment of Hurst and then Lambert with Mick leaving. Our demise was down to Evans running the club into the ground and making appalling CEO and managerial decisions.
There are other myths that we didn’t get through the play-offs because Evans didn’t back Mick.. he was offered money in the transfer window but didn’t want to disrupt the squad (take note McKenna). The football style and approach we were following were never going to get us through the play-offs. Cracks were already appearing.
BUT, and here’s the nuance… Mick is a good manager, yes he is from a different era, and doesn’t have the same approach and methods as McKenna. But he didn’t have the structures and funding around him that gamechanger have brought (you could argue Mick wouldn’t fit well into this kind of model anyway.) Despite Mick working in a failing club, he performed miracles to keep us up and then put together a run to the play offs with at times some exciting football built on a Murphy wunder season. He’s clearly a good man manager as ex players testify, and he had an eye for a good player.. see Mings and Cresswell.
He took Cardiff on a great run of results, before it turning into the kind of sh!tshow we experienced… with the style of football loathed.
So it’s not black and white. But certainly bizarre to ignore how bad it got at Town under him, bizarre to ignore how well he’d done before that, weird to blame our demise on Mick leaving rather than Evans strategy. |
Ha! You, Mick and nuance eh? You should be in the cabinet with your dishonesty and shamelessness. | |
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| Mick speaks… on 13:26 - Jan 21 with 1760 views | Oldsmoker |
| Mick speaks… on 00:20 - Jan 21 by OsborneOneNil |
Huge first game, home to Huddersfield, who are also pants. |
Postponed - Frozen pitch.
First match is away at Southampton in the FA cup.
Next league match is Middlesboro' away.
No easy games. |  |
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| Mick speaks… on 13:29 - Jan 21 with 1750 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Mick speaks… on 12:52 - Jan 21 by Mullet |
Your first half is just blubbing, and blaming Mick for what some "fans" deserved. The second half is making up a load of old sh1te and putting it forward as my thoughts.
You lot are responsible for the mess, so well done indeed. It's set us back decades. Imagine this type of set up starting from mid-Championship not a whole league below and half a decade later.
Justifying it now under this guise is pathetic revisionism as per. |
How is it the fans' fault, again? | | | |
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