| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? 11:12 - Feb 8 with 3494 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Keen to see him utilised more. |  |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:16 - Feb 8 with 3061 views | unbelievablue |
I didn't watch last night, so can't comment on that.
I really rate him but his development feels like a luxury in our current situation. I don't mean to sound so harsh/negative - as I said, I really rate him, but I don't think he's quite ready. I don't think we can risk 'carrying' him for the rest of our run to be honest. If we were 12th, maybe. |  |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:19 - Feb 8 with 3035 views | SheffordBlue |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:16 - Feb 8 by unbelievablue |
I didn't watch last night, so can't comment on that.
I really rate him but his development feels like a luxury in our current situation. I don't mean to sound so harsh/negative - as I said, I really rate him, but I don't think he's quite ready. I don't think we can risk 'carrying' him for the rest of our run to be honest. If we were 12th, maybe. |
Think he's referenced in interviews a couple of times that he knows he need to improve his physical strength which I think is his main weakness at the minute.
At the minute he's probably better suited to a slightly more advanced role where his ability to pick a pass and read the game is way above his current age/experience. |  |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:22 - Feb 8 with 3011 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:16 - Feb 8 by unbelievablue |
I didn't watch last night, so can't comment on that.
I really rate him but his development feels like a luxury in our current situation. I don't mean to sound so harsh/negative - as I said, I really rate him, but I don't think he's quite ready. I don't think we can risk 'carrying' him for the rest of our run to be honest. If we were 12th, maybe. |
What weakness do you feel makes him not good enough to start?
I think we are too cautious in blooding youngsters at times, and I think Humphreys is ready to play his part. | |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:23 - Feb 8 with 2998 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:19 - Feb 8 by SheffordBlue |
Think he's referenced in interviews a couple of times that he knows he need to improve his physical strength which I think is his main weakness at the minute.
At the minute he's probably better suited to a slightly more advanced role where his ability to pick a pass and read the game is way above his current age/experience. |
I agree with him being more suited to one of the '10' roles at present. | |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:26 - Feb 8 with 2976 views | unbelievablue |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:22 - Feb 8 by Marshalls_Mullet |
What weakness do you feel makes him not good enough to start?
I think we are too cautious in blooding youngsters at times, and I think Humphreys is ready to play his part. |
Predominantly physical strength and nous in certain situations - both come with time and, as you say, blooding.
Perhaps his role is the key thing - utilise his strengths and mitigate the above. But I am not certain that we are in a position to do that whilst delivering a net positive to the team.
I'm probably wrong - I thought Garvan was the second coming. | |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:28 - Feb 8 with 2937 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:26 - Feb 8 by unbelievablue |
Predominantly physical strength and nous in certain situations - both come with time and, as you say, blooding.
Perhaps his role is the key thing - utilise his strengths and mitigate the above. But I am not certain that we are in a position to do that whilst delivering a net positive to the team.
I'm probably wrong - I thought Garvan was the second coming. |
Given our mediocre form over the past few months, now could really be the time for him to make an impact. | |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:29 - Feb 8 with 2935 views | StokieBlue |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:22 - Feb 8 by Marshalls_Mullet |
What weakness do you feel makes him not good enough to start?
I think we are too cautious in blooding youngsters at times, and I think Humphreys is ready to play his part. |
He's clearly good enough to start.
However, in two recent goals he was too weak in the challenge or easily brushed aside although other defenders were also to blame for those goals.
He is playing his part isn't he?
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:30 - Feb 8 with 2926 views | unbelievablue |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:29 - Feb 8 by StokieBlue |
He's clearly good enough to start.
However, in two recent goals he was too weak in the challenge or easily brushed aside although other defenders were also to blame for those goals.
He is playing his part isn't he?
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Is he, currently, our best option? I think that's a fair debate. | |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:34 - Feb 8 with 2901 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:29 - Feb 8 by StokieBlue |
He's clearly good enough to start.
However, in two recent goals he was too weak in the challenge or easily brushed aside although other defenders were also to blame for those goals.
He is playing his part isn't he?
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I'd like to see him starting on a regular basis.
I think we probably look at what he cant do, more than what he can bring. | |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:38 - Feb 8 with 2871 views | StokieBlue |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:34 - Feb 8 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I'd like to see him starting on a regular basis.
I think we probably look at what he cant do, more than what he can bring. |
Surely when deciding who to play we should look at both things?
Otherwise you're only considering one part of the equation, the part that you feel supports your opinion.
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:38 - Feb 8 with 2875 views | RobTheMonk |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:26 - Feb 8 by unbelievablue |
Predominantly physical strength and nous in certain situations - both come with time and, as you say, blooding.
Perhaps his role is the key thing - utilise his strengths and mitigate the above. But I am not certain that we are in a position to do that whilst delivering a net positive to the team.
I'm probably wrong - I thought Garvan was the second coming. |
Only thing Garvan lacked was pace. If he had any he'd have been in the prem for much longer.
The vast majority of players these days are so quick that you need to excel with something else if you have no pace. |  | | |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:41 - Feb 8 with 2846 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:38 - Feb 8 by StokieBlue |
Surely when deciding who to play we should look at both things?
Otherwise you're only considering one part of the equation, the part that you feel supports your opinion.
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Yes, thats my point. | |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 12:09 - Feb 8 with 2725 views | BigCommon |
Ah, saw the OP, and was hoping someone would give us a good account of Humphreys performance last night. I didn't watch the game live, so been hunting for scraps and highlights....
I like Humphreys, and could make a decent list of his talents, in my eyes.. But I tend to agree with some posters. His two standout short comings are probably strength and height atm..Which, imo, whilst we are in this division, and playing him in a deeper role. Are something that can be exploited, by far less talented oppo', than Humphreys..With Morsy nailed on starter, having two, farely short players in DM, leaves it open for a player like Cambs Ironside, for instance, to drop in the hole and win the high balls and high bounces far too easily..
Choosing the right kind of games for Cam, is probably where KM is at. I see him as a creator and not a destroyer. You need a bit of both, imo, to nail down a DM slot. I'd like to see more of him higher up the pitch. But with this season's signings, doesn't look that likely. |  | | |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 12:18 - Feb 8 with 2664 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 12:09 - Feb 8 by BigCommon |
Ah, saw the OP, and was hoping someone would give us a good account of Humphreys performance last night. I didn't watch the game live, so been hunting for scraps and highlights....
I like Humphreys, and could make a decent list of his talents, in my eyes.. But I tend to agree with some posters. His two standout short comings are probably strength and height atm..Which, imo, whilst we are in this division, and playing him in a deeper role. Are something that can be exploited, by far less talented oppo', than Humphreys..With Morsy nailed on starter, having two, farely short players in DM, leaves it open for a player like Cambs Ironside, for instance, to drop in the hole and win the high balls and high bounces far too easily..
Choosing the right kind of games for Cam, is probably where KM is at. I see him as a creator and not a destroyer. You need a bit of both, imo, to nail down a DM slot. I'd like to see more of him higher up the pitch. But with this season's signings, doesn't look that likely. |
I dont think he should be a DM.
Agree, he should be further forward.
He is 5 ft 10, so not short as such. | |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 15:06 - Feb 8 with 2382 views | hatch |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 12:09 - Feb 8 by BigCommon |
Ah, saw the OP, and was hoping someone would give us a good account of Humphreys performance last night. I didn't watch the game live, so been hunting for scraps and highlights....
I like Humphreys, and could make a decent list of his talents, in my eyes.. But I tend to agree with some posters. His two standout short comings are probably strength and height atm..Which, imo, whilst we are in this division, and playing him in a deeper role. Are something that can be exploited, by far less talented oppo', than Humphreys..With Morsy nailed on starter, having two, farely short players in DM, leaves it open for a player like Cambs Ironside, for instance, to drop in the hole and win the high balls and high bounces far too easily..
Choosing the right kind of games for Cam, is probably where KM is at. I see him as a creator and not a destroyer. You need a bit of both, imo, to nail down a DM slot. I'd like to see more of him higher up the pitch. But with this season's signings, doesn't look that likely. |
I was there and felt he held his own well. Held the ball with confidence against some experienced pros and kept the ball switching when needed. Stuck in a couple of decent sliding tackles in succession to dispossess Burnley when they were on the attack. One wayward pass when we were on the attack let Burnley break on us and they probably should have scored but they ended up squaring the ball to no one.
He received a good reception from the away fans with a rousing 'He's one of our own' chant directed at him when he was one of the final players to come over and applaud the fans. |  | | |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 15:39 - Feb 8 with 2318 views | Simonds92 |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 11:34 - Feb 8 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I'd like to see him starting on a regular basis.
I think we probably look at what he cant do, more than what he can bring. |
He's shown he is a very good footballer technically but he still lacks impact on the games and in that spell where Evans was injured it felt as though Morsy was a 1 man midfield for a number of the games. 2nd half against Fleetwood stands out as CH being completely missing. He also needs to learn a bit more about the dirty side of the game, i think it was against Wycombe the lad ran past him and Burgess as if they weren't there. Evans would have taken a cynical yellow and we may be a few points better off than we are. Thats why others are saying in our current position we can't afford to risk giving him a run of games and we drop crucial points. Good player to have in the squad currently but he doesnt command a starting spot every week. | | | |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 15:41 - Feb 8 with 2297 views | SaleAway |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 15:06 - Feb 8 by hatch |
I was there and felt he held his own well. Held the ball with confidence against some experienced pros and kept the ball switching when needed. Stuck in a couple of decent sliding tackles in succession to dispossess Burnley when they were on the attack. One wayward pass when we were on the attack let Burnley break on us and they probably should have scored but they ended up squaring the ball to no one.
He received a good reception from the away fans with a rousing 'He's one of our own' chant directed at him when he was one of the final players to come over and applaud the fans. |
I'd agree with that. And as McKenna I think said in one of his interviews, he's brave in body and mind.
Yes, he's learning, maybe experience, maybe a bit of physicality. For example, there was a time last night where he was given the ball about 35 yards from our goal, in a tight spot. He was clearly fouled, but tried to stay on his feet. Eventually lost out a few seconds later, by which time the ref had missed the foul We ended up conceding a dangerous freekick. YOu could argue he's been let down by the ref, but also, if he goes down under the first challenge, he probably gets the freekick his way.
My one concern is that he does love a big slide tackle. He's made some big tackles in his short career. One last night, there was a least one at Port Vale, where he was targetted early on, but stood up well. However I think he might struggle slightly to "usher" players off the ball while staying on his feet. In the middle of the park, he's happy to put a slide in, and potentially concede a free kick, but nearer the goal, he's wary of conceding, and that is when he may look lightweight. That said, that sort of functional strength is something he'll gain with age, and with playing more, so I'd be keen to see him keep getting plenty of minutes. | |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 16:16 - Feb 8 with 2168 views | Steve_M |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 15:39 - Feb 8 by Simonds92 |
He's shown he is a very good footballer technically but he still lacks impact on the games and in that spell where Evans was injured it felt as though Morsy was a 1 man midfield for a number of the games. 2nd half against Fleetwood stands out as CH being completely missing. He also needs to learn a bit more about the dirty side of the game, i think it was against Wycombe the lad ran past him and Burgess as if they weren't there. Evans would have taken a cynical yellow and we may be a few points better off than we are. Thats why others are saying in our current position we can't afford to risk giving him a run of games and we drop crucial points. Good player to have in the squad currently but he doesnt command a starting spot every week. |
re: that long spell when Evans was out, I think it was more the cumulative impact of games that made Humpreys struggle a bit as they went on than the physicality per se.
As bad as that missed challenge against Wycombe was, it's curious that four of our five poor away performances in a row have come with Evans back in the team. Maybe fitness, maybe trying to do too much but he's not handled them brilliantly either. |  |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 16:18 - Feb 8 with 2159 views | CBMTOBWMMBG |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 16:16 - Feb 8 by Steve_M |
re: that long spell when Evans was out, I think it was more the cumulative impact of games that made Humpreys struggle a bit as they went on than the physicality per se.
As bad as that missed challenge against Wycombe was, it's curious that four of our five poor away performances in a row have come with Evans back in the team. Maybe fitness, maybe trying to do too much but he's not handled them brilliantly either. |
To add overall team performance stats on recent games...
6 league games that Humphreys replaced Evans in the team after Evans injury:
3 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss
(Ball was selected for Charlton away, a draw)
7 League games since Evans replaced Humphreys, after the Wycombe away defeat:
2 wins, 4 draws, 1 loss
1 player does not make a team, but stats suggest Evans has not driven the team from midfield like we might have hoped/assumed on his return. We mix up the strikers all the time: maybe time to do so in midfield too? | | | |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 20:46 - Feb 8 with 1829 views | BigCommon |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 16:16 - Feb 8 by Steve_M |
re: that long spell when Evans was out, I think it was more the cumulative impact of games that made Humpreys struggle a bit as they went on than the physicality per se.
As bad as that missed challenge against Wycombe was, it's curious that four of our five poor away performances in a row have come with Evans back in the team. Maybe fitness, maybe trying to do too much but he's not handled them brilliantly either. |
It's as if some teams have targeted Evans, in those games you mention. Really got in his face and not given him that little bit of time on the ball to make the right decisions and dictate play a bit more...
It wasn't that hard to identify, that when he was pulling the strings, he was integral to our early season, good form.. Teams have snuffed him out a bit. And , probably, his injury, has hampered him hitting the same heights as he did previously. Thought he was our stand out player, first 15 odd games, this season. | | | |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 07:59 - Feb 9 with 1568 views | Steve_M |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 20:46 - Feb 8 by BigCommon |
It's as if some teams have targeted Evans, in those games you mention. Really got in his face and not given him that little bit of time on the ball to make the right decisions and dictate play a bit more...
It wasn't that hard to identify, that when he was pulling the strings, he was integral to our early season, good form.. Teams have snuffed him out a bit. And , probably, his injury, has hampered him hitting the same heights as he did previously. Thought he was our stand out player, first 15 odd games, this season. |
I think that's right, not sure Evans' good form lasted quite that long though. He was very good in August but I thought there were signs of him taking too long on the ball and slowing us down even before the injury.
Against Oxford on Boxing Day, after a slow start, he looked really good but has struggled to dominate since. I did post after the weekend, but Evans and Morsy aren't working in those tight, attractional away games at the moment - despite so much of our good play starting from one or other of them. | |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 08:22 - Feb 9 with 1499 views | chicoazul |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 07:59 - Feb 9 by Steve_M |
I think that's right, not sure Evans' good form lasted quite that long though. He was very good in August but I thought there were signs of him taking too long on the ball and slowing us down even before the injury.
Against Oxford on Boxing Day, after a slow start, he looked really good but has struggled to dominate since. I did post after the weekend, but Evans and Morsy aren't working in those tight, attractional away games at the moment - despite so much of our good play starting from one or other of them. |
He’s basically been playing on one leg for the last year or so. We got Luongo in for a good reason and I expect to see a lot of him now. |  |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 09:24 - Feb 9 with 1379 views | Steve_M |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 08:22 - Feb 9 by chicoazul |
He’s basically been playing on one leg for the last year or so. We got Luongo in for a good reason and I expect to see a lot of him now. |
I thought at the time that we should have signed Bakinson last Summer, a bit raw but does a bit of everything in midfield. Nothing since then has changed my opinion with Evans not quite there any longer and Ball past it, although Humphreys has held his own better than most people might have expected. | |
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| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 09:27 - Feb 9 with 1369 views | portmanking |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 09:24 - Feb 9 by Steve_M |
I thought at the time that we should have signed Bakinson last Summer, a bit raw but does a bit of everything in midfield. Nothing since then has changed my opinion with Evans not quite there any longer and Ball past it, although Humphreys has held his own better than most people might have expected. |
Dom Ball past it?! The poor lad's 27! | | | |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 09:30 - Feb 9 with 1361 views | Steve_M |
| How was Humphrey's performance v Burnley? on 09:27 - Feb 9 by portmanking |
Dom Ball past it?! The poor lad's 27! |
Is that all? Think I assumed he's a good five years older.
Nothing he's done on the pitch suggests he's been a good signing though. | |
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