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We were on the verge of "turning the world upside down" in the 17th century. But even beore the restoration of the monarchy the old heirarchies were being re-established, just with different"lords".
It's a combination of all those for me, but education policy a key fundamental - unequal system (public schools/the rest) & critical reading & thinking skills not on the curriculum leading to other problems.
Kind of symptomatic that some classroom ceilings built between 1960-1980 are & have been at risk of collapse for years due to failing concrete. Can't see that problem being allowed to continue so long in any public school can you?
Brainwashed by the media and the complete lack of holding politicians to account.
If you control the media you control the narrative and you can make a significant proportion of the population believe anything.
Politicians are never held to account either. If they are asked a difficult question they go around the houses and don't answer it. The interviewer should be like a dog with a bone in these situations. Keep repeating the question over and over until they answer it or walk away. Expose them. Instead the media are so terrified they won't get the politicians on they let them get away with anything. We see the same thing in parliament. They avoid the question and the speaker lets it go.
Another thing is they let us fight amongst ourselves and we fall for it. There are CHILDREN in this country who don't have enough to eat, who live in cold rental properties with mould and who don't have any heat in the winter. We have homeless people on the streets. We have people working three jobs to provide the basics for their family. We also have people work hundreds of millions and some worth billions. Tax their wealth. I couldn't care less if they haven't got liquid assets. They will find a way to pay. We could give people a wealth allowance of something ridiculous like £25m and then we tax their wealth above that figure. We come up with all sorts of reasons why we can't do it but we could. We have people earning £25k defending billionaires and saying they should not be taxed on their wealth.
Life could be so much fairer and better for everyone. It won't happen. Instead the hungry child's parents can keep paying extortionate rent to the multi millionaire who owns a big property portfolio. Who cares if the kid eats as long as they pay the rent.
Some aspects of society are just so backward. The Tories are openly mocking us now. When there's £30bn going spare (at least in their eyes) they immediately want corporation tax cut. Forget the decent pay rise for key workers who got us through the pandemic. How much are the promises and the applause worth now? The Tories are scum.
A nation that pathetically answers the call to bang saucepans and clap in support of an NHS that’s on the verge of collapse after decades of abuse and neglect is, sadly, not going to rise up in rebellion.
Why can't/don't we protest like the French do? 🤔 on 23:18 - Mar 16 by J2BLUE
Brainwashed by the media and the complete lack of holding politicians to account.
If you control the media you control the narrative and you can make a significant proportion of the population believe anything.
Politicians are never held to account either. If they are asked a difficult question they go around the houses and don't answer it. The interviewer should be like a dog with a bone in these situations. Keep repeating the question over and over until they answer it or walk away. Expose them. Instead the media are so terrified they won't get the politicians on they let them get away with anything. We see the same thing in parliament. They avoid the question and the speaker lets it go.
Another thing is they let us fight amongst ourselves and we fall for it. There are CHILDREN in this country who don't have enough to eat, who live in cold rental properties with mould and who don't have any heat in the winter. We have homeless people on the streets. We have people working three jobs to provide the basics for their family. We also have people work hundreds of millions and some worth billions. Tax their wealth. I couldn't care less if they haven't got liquid assets. They will find a way to pay. We could give people a wealth allowance of something ridiculous like £25m and then we tax their wealth above that figure. We come up with all sorts of reasons why we can't do it but we could. We have people earning £25k defending billionaires and saying they should not be taxed on their wealth.
Life could be so much fairer and better for everyone. It won't happen. Instead the hungry child's parents can keep paying extortionate rent to the multi millionaire who owns a big property portfolio. Who cares if the kid eats as long as they pay the rent.
Some aspects of society are just so backward. The Tories are openly mocking us now. When there's £30bn going spare (at least in their eyes) they immediately want corporation tax cut. Forget the decent pay rise for key workers who got us through the pandemic. How much are the promises and the applause worth now? The Tories are scum.
Have family that live in France and I’d say it’s because they know protesting works and gets results.
They are able to see that mass protesting needs everyone on board to make a change. They do it for the betterment of everyone, not just themselves. I think, we English, can sometimes back off when we see things will be ok for oneself. We also make jokes about how crap things are and often accept misery as part of being English. French people don’t, they demand change.
And I think England needs more young people (teens and twenties) to be politically motivated. Get that age group on board and stirred up like France, and it has more impact.
French protests genuinely scare their leaders. The Tories just laugh it off, stick a middle finger up at the crowd like Andrea Jenkyns (you’d get lynched for that in France) and they get away with everything time and time again.
Why can't/don't we protest like the French do? 🤔 on 23:18 - Mar 16 by J2BLUE
Brainwashed by the media and the complete lack of holding politicians to account.
If you control the media you control the narrative and you can make a significant proportion of the population believe anything.
Politicians are never held to account either. If they are asked a difficult question they go around the houses and don't answer it. The interviewer should be like a dog with a bone in these situations. Keep repeating the question over and over until they answer it or walk away. Expose them. Instead the media are so terrified they won't get the politicians on they let them get away with anything. We see the same thing in parliament. They avoid the question and the speaker lets it go.
Another thing is they let us fight amongst ourselves and we fall for it. There are CHILDREN in this country who don't have enough to eat, who live in cold rental properties with mould and who don't have any heat in the winter. We have homeless people on the streets. We have people working three jobs to provide the basics for their family. We also have people work hundreds of millions and some worth billions. Tax their wealth. I couldn't care less if they haven't got liquid assets. They will find a way to pay. We could give people a wealth allowance of something ridiculous like £25m and then we tax their wealth above that figure. We come up with all sorts of reasons why we can't do it but we could. We have people earning £25k defending billionaires and saying they should not be taxed on their wealth.
Life could be so much fairer and better for everyone. It won't happen. Instead the hungry child's parents can keep paying extortionate rent to the multi millionaire who owns a big property portfolio. Who cares if the kid eats as long as they pay the rent.
Some aspects of society are just so backward. The Tories are openly mocking us now. When there's £30bn going spare (at least in their eyes) they immediately want corporation tax cut. Forget the decent pay rise for key workers who got us through the pandemic. How much are the promises and the applause worth now? The Tories are scum.
Rant over. For now...
The divide and conquer tactic referred to in your 4th paragraph was the template on which the British Empire was founded, see also Northern Ireland.
This is enabled by a media that identifies and highlights "enemies of the state" on behalf of the ruling classes and, due to massive market share, brainwashed the electorate against this year's enemy, think 1984, Eastasia / Eurasia. Or Bulgarians, Romanians and Albanians.
Or the likes of Foot or Corbyn.
The biggest problem is the CONservative party will pull off their biggest illusion yet and win the next GE, bye bye NHS.
I recall some posters arguing against XR protesters!
The suffragettes were not widely supported, even amongst many women ffs. It is in our DNA not to challenge the status quo as we don't like change and find it uncomfortable.
How many times have people told me I am anti-police on here?
These people are enablers for the status quo and do the job of those in power for them. They are the majority and they vote (our main power) accordingly.
When we get a Labour govt and they are little better.
Half the adult population feels the need to justify a decision they took nearly seven years ago by continuing to defend the present government.
Besides which, it's a misconception. We protest as much as the French, just without rioting and setting light to our own stuff in the process.
Violent revolution is all very well until you're the one being Guillotined by demented fanatics for being too moderate, in a desperate attempt to cover up their own incompetence.
Why can't/don't we protest like the French do? 🤔 on 08:16 - Mar 17 by Guthrum
Half the adult population feels the need to justify a decision they took nearly seven years ago by continuing to defend the present government.
Besides which, it's a misconception. We protest as much as the French, just without rioting and setting light to our own stuff in the process.
Violent revolution is all very well until you're the one being Guillotined by demented fanatics for being too moderate, in a desperate attempt to cover up their own incompetence.
We protest as much as the French?
That's open to challenge Gurhers! Don't see much evidence of it, over many areas.
What protests were there here when the pension age was last increased?
Why can't/don't we protest like the French do? 🤔 on 08:16 - Mar 17 by Guthrum
Half the adult population feels the need to justify a decision they took nearly seven years ago by continuing to defend the present government.
Besides which, it's a misconception. We protest as much as the French, just without rioting and setting light to our own stuff in the process.
Violent revolution is all very well until you're the one being Guillotined by demented fanatics for being too moderate, in a desperate attempt to cover up their own incompetence.
Also worth noting that the French have voted to put an actual fascist in the top two run off at the last two presidential elections.
The equivalent here would be the Labour and Conservative parties collapsing to a share of one or two one percent of the vote, with Nick Griffin and the BNP getting 41% at the next general election.
We may be seen as less passionate about the issues that affect us but we don’t do extremism here.
The French seem to protest more, but that could just be skewed by reporting and the stereotype that’s pushed here. If you look at strikes as a form of formal protest, they’re normally way out ahead of the UK.
PPS. Our media buries some protests. There was a massive one in London on Tuesday involving the university unions; I wouldn’t have known if not for being in a uni.
Why can't/don't we protest like the French do? 🤔 on 08:40 - Mar 17 by GlasgowBlue
Also worth noting that the French have voted to put an actual fascist in the top two run off at the last two presidential elections.
The equivalent here would be the Labour and Conservative parties collapsing to a share of one or two one percent of the vote, with Nick Griffin and the BNP getting 41% at the next general election.
We may be seen as less passionate about the issues that affect us but we don’t do extremism here.
We elected our equivalent of Front Nationale (or whatever they are called now) with a massive majority in 2019.
Because successive governments dismiss protests. For example the biggest ever protest (depending on who you believe) in London was the 2003 'stop the war' and Blair dismissed that.
Then in the UK you get the next step in protests where they turn to violence/ destruction. Look at the riots in previous years where lives have been put at risk and property damage. When they reach that level the British public will turn against it, ie why should a hard working person have their property destroyed in a protest, or worse why should someone lose their life.
There you have the 2 problems, no violence and successive governments ignore you, turn it to violence and the public turn against you.
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Why can't/don't we protest like the French do? 🤔 on 09:09 - Mar 17 with 1899 views
Why can't/don't we protest like the French do? 🤔 on 08:33 - Mar 17 by bluelagos
We protest as much as the French?
That's open to challenge Gurhers! Don't see much evidence of it, over many areas.
What protests were there here when the pension age was last increased?
Haven't seen many reports of the French glueing themselves to roads over insulation. Different subjects are considered important.
I can't find any figures with a cursory search, but there are hints that private pension ownership is higher in the UK than France. Thus official minimum retirement age (as opposed to the earliest you can draw on a private or occupational scheme) will be of greater significance. Thus more of a cause for anger.
Why can't/don't we protest like the French do? 🤔 on 23:18 - Mar 16 by J2BLUE
Brainwashed by the media and the complete lack of holding politicians to account.
If you control the media you control the narrative and you can make a significant proportion of the population believe anything.
Politicians are never held to account either. If they are asked a difficult question they go around the houses and don't answer it. The interviewer should be like a dog with a bone in these situations. Keep repeating the question over and over until they answer it or walk away. Expose them. Instead the media are so terrified they won't get the politicians on they let them get away with anything. We see the same thing in parliament. They avoid the question and the speaker lets it go.
Another thing is they let us fight amongst ourselves and we fall for it. There are CHILDREN in this country who don't have enough to eat, who live in cold rental properties with mould and who don't have any heat in the winter. We have homeless people on the streets. We have people working three jobs to provide the basics for their family. We also have people work hundreds of millions and some worth billions. Tax their wealth. I couldn't care less if they haven't got liquid assets. They will find a way to pay. We could give people a wealth allowance of something ridiculous like £25m and then we tax their wealth above that figure. We come up with all sorts of reasons why we can't do it but we could. We have people earning £25k defending billionaires and saying they should not be taxed on their wealth.
Life could be so much fairer and better for everyone. It won't happen. Instead the hungry child's parents can keep paying extortionate rent to the multi millionaire who owns a big property portfolio. Who cares if the kid eats as long as they pay the rent.
Some aspects of society are just so backward. The Tories are openly mocking us now. When there's £30bn going spare (at least in their eyes) they immediately want corporation tax cut. Forget the decent pay rise for key workers who got us through the pandemic. How much are the promises and the applause worth now? The Tories are scum.
Rant over. For now...
Logged in just to upvote this.
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Why can't/don't we protest like the French do? 🤔 on 09:16 - Mar 17 with 1871 views
Why can't/don't we protest like the French do? 🤔 on 09:09 - Mar 17 by Guthrum
Haven't seen many reports of the French glueing themselves to roads over insulation. Different subjects are considered important.
I can't find any figures with a cursory search, but there are hints that private pension ownership is higher in the UK than France. Thus official minimum retirement age (as opposed to the earliest you can draw on a private or occupational scheme) will be of greater significance. Thus more of a cause for anger.
You seriously arguing the Brits protest more than the French?
Look at the yellow vest guys?
Even our fuel protests (probably the most effective protest in recent years here?). was basically 100 blokes outside a few depots.
Think one massive difference is the form of protest, the French believing in direct action where see disruptive protest as bad. And people will simultaneously defend the right to protest whilst getting upset if that protest causes inconvenience....how British is that!
Why can't/don't we protest like the French do? 🤔 on 23:18 - Mar 16 by J2BLUE
Brainwashed by the media and the complete lack of holding politicians to account.
If you control the media you control the narrative and you can make a significant proportion of the population believe anything.
Politicians are never held to account either. If they are asked a difficult question they go around the houses and don't answer it. The interviewer should be like a dog with a bone in these situations. Keep repeating the question over and over until they answer it or walk away. Expose them. Instead the media are so terrified they won't get the politicians on they let them get away with anything. We see the same thing in parliament. They avoid the question and the speaker lets it go.
Another thing is they let us fight amongst ourselves and we fall for it. There are CHILDREN in this country who don't have enough to eat, who live in cold rental properties with mould and who don't have any heat in the winter. We have homeless people on the streets. We have people working three jobs to provide the basics for their family. We also have people work hundreds of millions and some worth billions. Tax their wealth. I couldn't care less if they haven't got liquid assets. They will find a way to pay. We could give people a wealth allowance of something ridiculous like £25m and then we tax their wealth above that figure. We come up with all sorts of reasons why we can't do it but we could. We have people earning £25k defending billionaires and saying they should not be taxed on their wealth.
Life could be so much fairer and better for everyone. It won't happen. Instead the hungry child's parents can keep paying extortionate rent to the multi millionaire who owns a big property portfolio. Who cares if the kid eats as long as they pay the rent.
Some aspects of society are just so backward. The Tories are openly mocking us now. When there's £30bn going spare (at least in their eyes) they immediately want corporation tax cut. Forget the decent pay rise for key workers who got us through the pandemic. How much are the promises and the applause worth now? The Tories are scum.
Rant over. For now...
The problem with the model of taxing the megawealthy is it simply does not raise enough, compared with taxing the comfortably off just a little bit more. It also shifts the blame away from those with plenty who do not want to contribute. We need to do both, as well as tackling business tax avoidance.
What taxing the rich (and their companies) would do, however, is to remove a vast amount of the donor leverage which some of those people use to influence the politicians and media you talk about elsewhere. This Government appears to be primarily about protecting those who give them money from any kind of regulation, scrutiny or taxation. Cui bono?
Why can't/don't we protest like the French do? 🤔 on 09:16 - Mar 17 by bluelagos
You seriously arguing the Brits protest more than the French?
Look at the yellow vest guys?
Even our fuel protests (probably the most effective protest in recent years here?). was basically 100 blokes outside a few depots.
Think one massive difference is the form of protest, the French believing in direct action where see disruptive protest as bad. And people will simultaneously defend the right to protest whilst getting upset if that protest causes inconvenience....how British is that!
I didn't say more than. It is the form of protest in France which makes it seem more prevalent and effective.
We have a great sea of strikes going on here in the UK (I can hear whistles blowing and horns tooting as I type), with the Government and employers currently backing down by making better offers. They just haven't turned violent.
You know Ryorry what my angle on so many of these debates is that there's a huge element of grey to it all
All the state, or government is, is us ultimately. We as a society have to decide how we spend public money.
If we all retired at 62 as the French want then that places a greater burden still on the younger generation who have to pay for those state pensions. At a time when we live longer and have an aging population.
So if think it's actually more socialist to accept we have to wait longer to take a pension from the state to reduce the burden on younger people.
Why can't/don't we protest like the French do? 🤔 on 10:15 - Mar 17 by nodge_blue
You know Ryorry what my angle on so many of these debates is that there's a huge element of grey to it all
All the state, or government is, is us ultimately. We as a society have to decide how we spend public money.
If we all retired at 62 as the French want then that places a greater burden still on the younger generation who have to pay for those state pensions. At a time when we live longer and have an aging population.
So if think it's actually more socialist to accept we have to wait longer to take a pension from the state to reduce the burden on younger people.
It's more socialist to cover the cost of an ageing population by not allowing massive multinational corporations and wealthy individuals leech money from working people and the state. We need to fundamentally shift away from thinking it is all down to working people to be the ones shouldering the burden when we are seeing sickening levels of wealth trickling upwards. Reverse that, take care of working people, retirees, children, and vulnerable people, and you might end up with something close to a functioning society. Our current socio-economic model is broken and not remotely fit for purpose.
Why can't/don't we protest like the French do? 🤔 on 23:18 - Mar 16 by J2BLUE
Brainwashed by the media and the complete lack of holding politicians to account.
If you control the media you control the narrative and you can make a significant proportion of the population believe anything.
Politicians are never held to account either. If they are asked a difficult question they go around the houses and don't answer it. The interviewer should be like a dog with a bone in these situations. Keep repeating the question over and over until they answer it or walk away. Expose them. Instead the media are so terrified they won't get the politicians on they let them get away with anything. We see the same thing in parliament. They avoid the question and the speaker lets it go.
Another thing is they let us fight amongst ourselves and we fall for it. There are CHILDREN in this country who don't have enough to eat, who live in cold rental properties with mould and who don't have any heat in the winter. We have homeless people on the streets. We have people working three jobs to provide the basics for their family. We also have people work hundreds of millions and some worth billions. Tax their wealth. I couldn't care less if they haven't got liquid assets. They will find a way to pay. We could give people a wealth allowance of something ridiculous like £25m and then we tax their wealth above that figure. We come up with all sorts of reasons why we can't do it but we could. We have people earning £25k defending billionaires and saying they should not be taxed on their wealth.
Life could be so much fairer and better for everyone. It won't happen. Instead the hungry child's parents can keep paying extortionate rent to the multi millionaire who owns a big property portfolio. Who cares if the kid eats as long as they pay the rent.
Some aspects of society are just so backward. The Tories are openly mocking us now. When there's £30bn going spare (at least in their eyes) they immediately want corporation tax cut. Forget the decent pay rise for key workers who got us through the pandemic. How much are the promises and the applause worth now? The Tories are scum.
Rant over. For now...
Spot on. I wish we could give some posts multiple up votes.
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