| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? 23:52 - Jun 12 with 2750 views | WeWereZombies |
If they don't settle things with HMRC they will be gone before the start of the season:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65881568
Someone will step in to buy them up of course but they are going to start the fixtures eight points adrift anyway. |  |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 00:05 - Jun 13 with 2709 views | pointofblue |
Could be another Bolton scenario. Mind you, Wigan started 20/21 with a bunch of youngsters in League One so they’re used to it, albeit without a points deduction. I seem to recall us playing them at an empty Portman Road as our opening game. |  |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 00:07 - Jun 13 with 2708 views | BasingstokeBlue |
These incidents happen frequently when HMRC sre involved. I seem to remember a couple of times we had a VAT bill outstainding( in the Evans era - t was sorted in days. |  |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 00:27 - Jun 13 with 2676 views | WeWereZombies |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 00:07 - Jun 13 by BasingstokeBlue |
These incidents happen frequently when HMRC sre involved. I seem to remember a couple of times we had a VAT bill outstainding( in the Evans era - t was sorted in days. |
This is a bit different from an admin error though, unpaid wages and no serious buyer for the club. | |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 00:45 - Jun 13 with 2656 views | Reus30 |
The whole thing is ridiculous but the blame should be placed squarely on the EFL. They have a duty of care to these clubs but they frankly dont give a monkeys.
They allowed these current owners to purchase it. Even after all it went through a couple of years ago. Every person and their granny can see these guys are shady and have been for a while yet they give them a couple of points deductions as if that solves the issue. Also the fact the potential buyer here is that deluded youngster who is basically a fraud who tried to buy Morecambe but was rejected by the EFL originally.
Feel sorry for Wigan but EFL had a chance to sort it a long time ago. Too busy negotiating with the EPL about monies they should receive rather than actually looking after a club that falls under their remit. Fit and proper not fit for purpose ironically.
It could have been us, it could have been Bolton but unfortunately it was Bury and now it will be Wigan, no one would touch it with a barge pole. Criminal. |  | | |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 06:01 - Jun 13 with 2457 views | Illinoisblue |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 00:45 - Jun 13 by Reus30 |
The whole thing is ridiculous but the blame should be placed squarely on the EFL. They have a duty of care to these clubs but they frankly dont give a monkeys.
They allowed these current owners to purchase it. Even after all it went through a couple of years ago. Every person and their granny can see these guys are shady and have been for a while yet they give them a couple of points deductions as if that solves the issue. Also the fact the potential buyer here is that deluded youngster who is basically a fraud who tried to buy Morecambe but was rejected by the EFL originally.
Feel sorry for Wigan but EFL had a chance to sort it a long time ago. Too busy negotiating with the EPL about monies they should receive rather than actually looking after a club that falls under their remit. Fit and proper not fit for purpose ironically.
It could have been us, it could have been Bolton but unfortunately it was Bury and now it will be Wigan, no one would touch it with a barge pole. Criminal. |
Not the EFL’s fault the owners are incompetent and broke. |  |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 06:59 - Jun 13 with 2340 views | glasso |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 06:01 - Jun 13 by Illinoisblue |
Not the EFL’s fault the owners are incompetent and broke. |
Given it's their job to make sure they're competent and financially sound, it's absolutely their fault. | | | |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 07:02 - Jun 13 with 2328 views | Samuelowen88 |
Sure i read somewhere that if the players didn't get paid (again) then they were allowed to walk away from their contracts or something like that. |  |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 08:23 - Jun 13 with 2127 views | berkstractorboy |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 06:59 - Jun 13 by glasso |
Given it's their job to make sure they're competent and financially sound, it's absolutely their fault. |
the owners provided evidence of the funds available to run the club over the period EFL asked to see. I think there could be blame of both sides here but to suggest it's al EFL is naive as once they have been given the go ahead to buy the club if owners spend the money differently all EFL could do is sanction earlier if that would really help. I doubt the EFL have the resources to watch over 72 clubs financial goings on to immediately spot wrong doings.
I think Wigan are -8 at the moment but another -4 pending for late wages last month not to mention players can walk end this week.
One thing is for sure its happening all too frequently and something different/better needs to be put in place. | | | |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 08:37 - Jun 13 with 2080 views | Herbivore |
I feel sorry for their fanbase. Steve and Davo are good lads. |  |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 08:58 - Jun 13 with 2022 views | Vic |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 00:45 - Jun 13 by Reus30 |
The whole thing is ridiculous but the blame should be placed squarely on the EFL. They have a duty of care to these clubs but they frankly dont give a monkeys.
They allowed these current owners to purchase it. Even after all it went through a couple of years ago. Every person and their granny can see these guys are shady and have been for a while yet they give them a couple of points deductions as if that solves the issue. Also the fact the potential buyer here is that deluded youngster who is basically a fraud who tried to buy Morecambe but was rejected by the EFL originally.
Feel sorry for Wigan but EFL had a chance to sort it a long time ago. Too busy negotiating with the EPL about monies they should receive rather than actually looking after a club that falls under their remit. Fit and proper not fit for purpose ironically.
It could have been us, it could have been Bolton but unfortunately it was Bury and now it will be Wigan, no one would touch it with a barge pole. Criminal. |
If the EFL ran on a franchise model this might be true, but each club is independent, free to make pretty much what decisions they like. If they make bad ones and go bust, so bit it. |  |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 09:14 - Jun 13 with 1972 views | WeWereZombies |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 08:58 - Jun 13 by Vic |
If the EFL ran on a franchise model this might be true, but each club is independent, free to make pretty much what decisions they like. If they make bad ones and go bust, so bit it. |
I think that is the wrong lens to look at this problem through. As a governing body for one of the nation's major sports they have a weighty responsibility, so a franchise model, or even an auditor role is insufficient - because football clubs are about more than the owners, or the players, or the other employees of a club, the supporters matter too and beyond that the social, economic and developmental aspect they have on the surrounding area. Going back to auditors the old saw about an auditor being a watchdog and not a bloodhound does not go far enough but these instances reveal the EFL as not even fulfilling the watchdog role. | |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 09:22 - Jun 13 with 1927 views | Essen_blue |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 06:59 - Jun 13 by glasso |
Given it's their job to make sure they're competent and financially sound, it's absolutely their fault. |
Management can be both competent and financially sound, the FA cannot judge if the ownership will get bored and turn off the funding. | | | |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 09:23 - Jun 13 with 1927 views | Steve_M |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 00:07 - Jun 13 by BasingstokeBlue |
These incidents happen frequently when HMRC sre involved. I seem to remember a couple of times we had a VAT bill outstainding( in the Evans era - t was sorted in days. |
Oh yes, it was the fault of "a service provider" and definitely not ME being a cheapskate. |  |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 09:28 - Jun 13 with 1880 views | the_toff |
It's a lousy state of affairs all round really. Communities like Wigan really need football clubs, I can't see it ending particularly well for them even if they do find a buyer. I don't think they'll be in the Championship for a long time. | | | |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 09:31 - Jun 13 with 1867 views | jayessess |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 09:22 - Jun 13 by Essen_blue |
Management can be both competent and financially sound, the FA cannot judge if the ownership will get bored and turn off the funding. |
You could raise the bar for what "competent and financially sound" means, I suppose.
But the main issue is that EFL ownership runs around a core contradiction - that football clubs are for profit private enterprises BUT also the main expression of civic culture in most provincial towns and cities, so can't be allowed to just go bust.
Can't really regulate the former very effectively, but regulation absolutely required to preserve the latter. |  |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 09:49 - Jun 13 with 1800 views | SheffordBlue |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 09:28 - Jun 13 by the_toff |
It's a lousy state of affairs all round really. Communities like Wigan really need football clubs, I can't see it ending particularly well for them even if they do find a buyer. I don't think they'll be in the Championship for a long time. |
Part of the problem for Wigan as a football club is that lots of their local community like Rugby League. In a region that has a disproportionate number of football teams for it's population having another popular sport take 12k fans every weekends really doesn't help you. It also makes you a less attractive proposition for investors - our locale was one of the attractive aspects for GameChanger when they were looking at investing in a club. | |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 10:21 - Jun 13 with 1723 views | Vic |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 09:31 - Jun 13 by jayessess |
You could raise the bar for what "competent and financially sound" means, I suppose.
But the main issue is that EFL ownership runs around a core contradiction - that football clubs are for profit private enterprises BUT also the main expression of civic culture in most provincial towns and cities, so can't be allowed to just go bust.
Can't really regulate the former very effectively, but regulation absolutely required to preserve the latter. |
That’s an interesting and helpful point. It’s just not binary is it. As businesses there’s no reason why the EFL should step in - and that was what was in my mind in my previous comment. But I totally get what you say about the role of the club in the local civic culture. Not idea how one squares that circle!
I’m just glad that at the moment we have people running our club that do seem to have a sense of being custodians of the club. But I’m not sure how deep those sentiments will run when the time to sell, or some other situation, comes! All we can do at the moment is to enjoy the ride. | |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 13:06 - Jun 13 with 1558 views | Illinoisblue |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 06:59 - Jun 13 by glasso |
Given it's their job to make sure they're competent and financially sound, it's absolutely their fault. |
Yes. Shame on the EFL for not being able to control global financial and economic conditions. | |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 15:18 - Jun 13 with 1459 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 06:59 - Jun 13 by glasso |
Given it's their job to make sure they're competent and financially sound, it's absolutely their fault. |
It is not the job of the EFL to ensure that owners are competent and financially sound. Merely that they are 'fit and proper' within a prescribed definition.
It is absolutely not their fault. |  |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 15:32 - Jun 13 with 1415 views | ReusersTown |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 09:28 - Jun 13 by the_toff |
It's a lousy state of affairs all round really. Communities like Wigan really need football clubs, I can't see it ending particularly well for them even if they do find a buyer. I don't think they'll be in the Championship for a long time. |
They need the club so much so that they never turn up to watch, nor ever have done. | | | |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 16:39 - Jun 13 with 1327 views | Reus30 |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 13:06 - Jun 13 by Illinoisblue |
Yes. Shame on the EFL for not being able to control global financial and economic conditions. |
Yes because this whole situation is based around economics....
Wigan's owners have asset stripped the club. The dodgy Facebook postings and all that, they are just pretenders at this point. The people who again get screwed over are all the staff employed by the club and the small time contractors once more.
We see this situation time and time again, they pull the funding of their plaything because they are bored. These people should not be in charge of clubs and it is the EFL who allow this to consistently happen.
Fit and Proper is not working and some baffling opinions here. The EFL don't care about the clubs but they are the association that represents english football league - ffs this is the oldest competition in world football and they just sit and watch this carnage time after time.
Yes, they are businesses and they don't control the finances but they also need to preserve our game, just like the EPL and just like the FA. EFL are the keyholders to club ownership and they need to do better. Personal guarantees - all it takes to fix it. These cowboys will soon piss off if its actually there bumholes on the line.
I am so surprised by these viewpoints because it was very nearly us a couple of times now and you never know what's round the corner. It's not good enough. I don't care if it's a rugby town or what not, there are still people that care and support the club, it's a community and ffs they are recent FA Cup winners.
My god, my blood pressure, I need a lie down. | | | |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 16:52 - Jun 13 with 1285 views | SheffordBlue |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 16:39 - Jun 13 by Reus30 |
Yes because this whole situation is based around economics....
Wigan's owners have asset stripped the club. The dodgy Facebook postings and all that, they are just pretenders at this point. The people who again get screwed over are all the staff employed by the club and the small time contractors once more.
We see this situation time and time again, they pull the funding of their plaything because they are bored. These people should not be in charge of clubs and it is the EFL who allow this to consistently happen.
Fit and Proper is not working and some baffling opinions here. The EFL don't care about the clubs but they are the association that represents english football league - ffs this is the oldest competition in world football and they just sit and watch this carnage time after time.
Yes, they are businesses and they don't control the finances but they also need to preserve our game, just like the EPL and just like the FA. EFL are the keyholders to club ownership and they need to do better. Personal guarantees - all it takes to fix it. These cowboys will soon piss off if its actually there bumholes on the line.
I am so surprised by these viewpoints because it was very nearly us a couple of times now and you never know what's round the corner. It's not good enough. I don't care if it's a rugby town or what not, there are still people that care and support the club, it's a community and ffs they are recent FA Cup winners.
My god, my blood pressure, I need a lie down. |
What assets are they supposed to have stripped? The Price of Football podcast has covered Wigan a number of times and never mentioned this. The suggestion seems to be that they just can't afford to keep pumping millions into the club to cover the losses. | |
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| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 17:13 - Jun 13 with 1252 views | Vic |
| The Third Division is behind us now but will Wigan even get there ? on 16:39 - Jun 13 by Reus30 |
Yes because this whole situation is based around economics....
Wigan's owners have asset stripped the club. The dodgy Facebook postings and all that, they are just pretenders at this point. The people who again get screwed over are all the staff employed by the club and the small time contractors once more.
We see this situation time and time again, they pull the funding of their plaything because they are bored. These people should not be in charge of clubs and it is the EFL who allow this to consistently happen.
Fit and Proper is not working and some baffling opinions here. The EFL don't care about the clubs but they are the association that represents english football league - ffs this is the oldest competition in world football and they just sit and watch this carnage time after time.
Yes, they are businesses and they don't control the finances but they also need to preserve our game, just like the EPL and just like the FA. EFL are the keyholders to club ownership and they need to do better. Personal guarantees - all it takes to fix it. These cowboys will soon piss off if its actually there bumholes on the line.
I am so surprised by these viewpoints because it was very nearly us a couple of times now and you never know what's round the corner. It's not good enough. I don't care if it's a rugby town or what not, there are still people that care and support the club, it's a community and ffs they are recent FA Cup winners.
My god, my blood pressure, I need a lie down. |
Interesting post, thanks. there's a couple of comments that I'd find helpful to have a little bit of elaboration on. You mention carnage that happens time after time. but not many clubs have actually gone to the wall have they. And you mention the owners asset stripping the club. I don't know anything about the club so I don;t know what's been going on, but I've not heard this accusation about them before.
Any light you can shed one either of these points would be appreciated. Cheers. | |
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