| French elections 21:19 - Jul 1 with 2711 views | Zx1988 |
Worrying to see that National Rally are leading the field after the first set of votes in the French election.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clwy27j9l2go
It feels like a massive turning point for France/Europe. Surely a situation like this calls for all of the non-RN parties to be adult about things, and agree to stand down any of their candidates who finished 3rd or below in each constituency, in order to have the best chance of defeating the fascists? |  |
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| French elections on 21:24 - Jul 1 with 2650 views | Swansea_Blue |
Bonkers. They need to remember what happened last time some of them welcomed in bunch of fascists.
Tough times are fertile ground for these opportunists who prey off people’s fears. |  |
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| French elections on 21:25 - Jul 1 with 2649 views | thebooks |
You would have thought so, and that’s just what the NPF have said they will do.
But seems that centrists are a bit more equivocal when it comes to opposing fascists. Guess it’s not surprising when they’ve basically moved their policies ever rightward over the last few years. |  | | |
| French elections on 21:26 - Jul 1 with 2643 views | PhilTWTD |
I read earlier that quite a lot already have. |  | | |
| French elections on 21:30 - Jul 1 with 2611 views | BarcaBlue |
It's already emboldening the Vox fascists in Spain. They've had a lot of air time today.
Fortunately we've only just had an election here or people might well be swayed that voting for far right fascist parties is acceptable. |  | | |
| French elections on 21:40 - Jul 1 with 2534 views | Zx1988 |
| French elections on 21:25 - Jul 1 by thebooks |
You would have thought so, and that’s just what the NPF have said they will do.
But seems that centrists are a bit more equivocal when it comes to opposing fascists. Guess it’s not surprising when they’ve basically moved their policies ever rightward over the last few years. |
It'll be interesting(?) to see how it goes either way.
One would hope that, perhaps, the fascists have already reached their natural ceiling after round 1. I can't imagine that they'll pick up (m)any votes from those who didn't vote for them first time around.
Would there be a third round in constituencies where no party gets >50% of the vote in R2? Or does it switch to 'highest share wins' from this point onwards? | |
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| French elections on 21:50 - Jul 1 with 2495 views | NthQldITFC |
How do we counter the era of socially and environmentally destructive, social media-led mass movements of fascism and self-interest and help the young to see the danger of the way things are going?
I believe that celebrity culture has a positive role to play (alongside more serious groups) as 'celebrities' have a platform which can attract the attention of so many of the disenfranchised.
I'd like to see popular celebrities organising themselves into vocal, non-confrontational information channels. |  |
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| French elections on 21:57 - Jul 1 with 2467 views | GlasgowBlue |
If Europe lurches even further to the right Farage will start a campaign for us to rejoin. |  |
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| French elections on 05:48 - Jul 2 with 2286 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Don’t believe everything you read in the papers. The ‘hard right’ are well left of the Labour Party in terms of policies on offer - free money for all voters Lower pension age, higher pensions, better child care , lower taxes, no taxes at all if you are under 25 … no mention of immigrant bashing | |
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| French elections on 06:30 - Jul 2 with 2265 views | DanTheMan |
Worrying. National Rally are an odd one though as they've offered a bunch of left-wing populist things to try and bolster their support which I think Farage was against.
Although I'm more worried about what's going on in the U.S.
Seems increasingly likely Trump is going back in, their Supreme Court are setting him up above the law and the Project 2025 stuff makes for harrowing reading. Even if they only manage a portion of what they are proposing, it's scary stuff. |  |
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| French elections on 07:37 - Jul 2 with 2147 views | giant_stow |
| French elections on 05:48 - Jul 2 by ElephantintheRoom |
Don’t believe everything you read in the papers. The ‘hard right’ are well left of the Labour Party in terms of policies on offer - free money for all voters Lower pension age, higher pensions, better child care , lower taxes, no taxes at all if you are under 25 … no mention of immigrant bashing |
Not sure about that last bit - hasn't there being talk of going after duel nationals / leaving immigrants alone *if* they behave themselves? The economic stuff would make Truss blush too. |  |
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| French elections on 08:01 - Jul 2 with 2107 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| French elections on 07:37 - Jul 2 by giant_stow |
Not sure about that last bit - hasn't there being talk of going after duel nationals / leaving immigrants alone *if* they behave themselves? The economic stuff would make Truss blush too. |
The immigrant bashing can probably be taken as read but it’s not in their manifesto - and their policies are somewhere between the greens and the Lib Dems in UK terms - nowhere near as hard right as the UK conservatives - nor Conservatives Lite ie Labour. Hugely appealing to young voters and quite clever really as they’ve got the ancien citizens already.
Probably won’t do them much good though as tactical voting on an epic scale in the second round coupled with collusion from the other parties should keep them out of power - but it would be quite funny if Le Pen gets to meet and greet the world at the Olympics | |
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| French elections on 08:05 - Jul 2 with 2096 views | Herbivore |
| French elections on 08:01 - Jul 2 by ElephantintheRoom |
The immigrant bashing can probably be taken as read but it’s not in their manifesto - and their policies are somewhere between the greens and the Lib Dems in UK terms - nowhere near as hard right as the UK conservatives - nor Conservatives Lite ie Labour. Hugely appealing to young voters and quite clever really as they’ve got the ancien citizens already.
Probably won’t do them much good though as tactical voting on an epic scale in the second round coupled with collusion from the other parties should keep them out of power - but it would be quite funny if Le Pen gets to meet and greet the world at the Olympics |
Yes, it would be hilarious to have a far right leader of a major European country welcoming people to the Olympics. I feel all nostalgic for the Berlin games in 1936. What a laugh that time was. |  |
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| French elections on 08:12 - Jul 2 with 2070 views | nodge_blue |
Can anyone explain to me how France would function if the right win parliament but Macron stays as President.
Does Macron have any power to make laws or decisions like domestic spending? Can he still go to the EU and say we will do x,y,z? |  |
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| French elections on 08:24 - Jul 2 with 2026 views | giant_stow |
| French elections on 08:01 - Jul 2 by ElephantintheRoom |
The immigrant bashing can probably be taken as read but it’s not in their manifesto - and their policies are somewhere between the greens and the Lib Dems in UK terms - nowhere near as hard right as the UK conservatives - nor Conservatives Lite ie Labour. Hugely appealing to young voters and quite clever really as they’ve got the ancien citizens already.
Probably won’t do them much good though as tactical voting on an epic scale in the second round coupled with collusion from the other parties should keep them out of power - but it would be quite funny if Le Pen gets to meet and greet the world at the Olympics |
I'd forgotten about the Olympics - talks bout adding a spice to a fraught situation. | |
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| French elections on 08:30 - Jul 2 with 2011 views | OldFart71 |
I think what really needs to be looked at is why the rise of these types of Party is happening. I believe that in the main, although they have been bubbling below the surface for some time the reason for them coming to the fore is because people are disillusioned with the main party's who have failed to address the real issues that face their lives. Some may not like the issues surrounding immigration and the flow of peoples across borders and how these people are treated when they get to the destination of their choice. But when it directly impacts on the lives of those living in a Country and the fact that their Government doesn't get a grip on the situation then unfortunately these distasteful Party's will rise to the surface. Can we for instance really believe Kier Starmer will stop the small boats. He say's he will abandon the Rwanda project, but doesn't state how he will prevent illegal immigration. | | | |
| French elections on 08:48 - Jul 2 with 1914 views | Herbivore |
| French elections on 08:30 - Jul 2 by OldFart71 |
I think what really needs to be looked at is why the rise of these types of Party is happening. I believe that in the main, although they have been bubbling below the surface for some time the reason for them coming to the fore is because people are disillusioned with the main party's who have failed to address the real issues that face their lives. Some may not like the issues surrounding immigration and the flow of peoples across borders and how these people are treated when they get to the destination of their choice. But when it directly impacts on the lives of those living in a Country and the fact that their Government doesn't get a grip on the situation then unfortunately these distasteful Party's will rise to the surface. Can we for instance really believe Kier Starmer will stop the small boats. He say's he will abandon the Rwanda project, but doesn't state how he will prevent illegal immigration. |
How is 'illegal' immigration directly impacting citizens in the UK? The money being spent on housing migrants is a political choice, it could be spent on building an asylum system that's fit for purpose. People coming to the UK in small boats aren't to blame for our sluggish economy, growing inequality, crumbling hospitals and schools, NHs waiting times going through the roof, no investment in infrastructure, and so on. All of these things definitely directly impact the lives of citizens. | |
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| French elections on 11:12 - Jul 2 with 1766 views | AndrewRatcliffITFC |
| French elections on 21:30 - Jul 1 by BarcaBlue |
It's already emboldening the Vox fascists in Spain. They've had a lot of air time today.
Fortunately we've only just had an election here or people might well be swayed that voting for far right fascist parties is acceptable. |
In a democracy people are free to vote for who ever they like on the ballot paper. Part of living in a democracy is that you have to accept people might have views you disagree with. Who are you to say the way someone legitimately votes is unacceptable? | | | |
| French elections on 12:09 - Jul 2 with 1719 views | Herbivore |
| French elections on 11:12 - Jul 2 by AndrewRatcliffITFC |
In a democracy people are free to vote for who ever they like on the ballot paper. Part of living in a democracy is that you have to accept people might have views you disagree with. Who are you to say the way someone legitimately votes is unacceptable? |
If you find racism unacceptable then you can call out people voting for racists. They can still vote for racists if they want but part of living in a democracy is also the right to question and challenge other people's views. | |
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| French elections (n/t) on 14:41 - Jul 3 with 1503 views | MidlandBlue25 |
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| French elections on 15:02 - Jul 3 with 1444 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| French elections on 08:05 - Jul 2 by Herbivore |
Yes, it would be hilarious to have a far right leader of a major European country welcoming people to the Olympics. I feel all nostalgic for the Berlin games in 1936. What a laugh that time was. |
But you’d welcome a more hard right leader in Kier Starmer? Le Pen’s crew are about as hard right as Corbyn’s Labour - free money for all is proving quite a vote winner. | |
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