| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? 17:37 - Aug 15 with 2354 views | MattinLondon |
Was just watching a short documentary about Boudicca in which the narrator referred to her as British. Can someone be of a nationality before that future nation existed? |  | | |  |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 17:48 - Aug 15 with 2269 views | factual_blue |
It refers, in this context, to somebody from the islands of Britain, and not to a nationality. |  |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 17:52 - Aug 15 with 2225 views | noggin |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 17:48 - Aug 15 by factual_blue |
It refers, in this context, to somebody from the islands of Britain, and not to a nationality. |
What does that make someone from Northern Ireland, who identifies as Irish? |  |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 17:52 - Aug 15 with 2224 views | blueasfook |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 17:48 - Aug 15 by factual_blue |
It refers, in this context, to somebody from the islands of Britain, and not to a nationality. |
She was a Briton, not British. |  |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 17:52 - Aug 15 with 2209 views | blueasfook |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 17:52 - Aug 15 by noggin |
What does that make someone from Northern Ireland, who identifies as Irish? |
Err... Irish. | |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:12 - Aug 15 with 2114 views | noggin |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 17:52 - Aug 15 by blueasfook |
Err... Irish. |
Even though they were born and raised in the UK? | |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:14 - Aug 15 with 2083 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:12 - Aug 15 by noggin |
Even though they were born and raised in the UK? |
Wouldn't Northern Irish people be British and Irish just as Scottish and Welsh people would be? Are you not Norwegian, Scandinavian and European? |  |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:15 - Aug 15 with 2074 views | Keno |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 17:52 - Aug 15 by noggin |
What does that make someone from Northern Ireland, who identifies as Irish? |
Sensible |  |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:15 - Aug 15 with 2074 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 17:52 - Aug 15 by noggin |
What does that make someone from Northern Ireland, who identifies as Irish? |
A troublemaker. |  |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:15 - Aug 15 with 2067 views | MattinLondon |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:12 - Aug 15 by noggin |
Even though they were born and raised in the UK? |
I thought that anyone born in Northern Ireland is entitled to an Irish passport? I could well be getting this confused with football as Northern Irish footballers can represent the republic of they do wish. | | | |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:17 - Aug 15 with 2045 views | Mullet |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 17:52 - Aug 15 by blueasfook |
She was a Briton, not British. |
Iceni |  |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:18 - Aug 15 with 2042 views | Keno |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:12 - Aug 15 by noggin |
Even though they were born and raised in the UK? |
Under the Irish Constitution they were lucky enough to have been born on the island of Ireland and those able to claim Irish citizenship and be Irish
They are among the luckiest people on the planet who are well know for being really nice people and incredible lovers | |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:20 - Aug 15 with 2013 views | noggin |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:14 - Aug 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Wouldn't Northern Irish people be British and Irish just as Scottish and Welsh people would be? Are you not Norwegian, Scandinavian and European? |
No, born in Northern Ireland and identify as Irish. Live in Norway. | |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:20 - Aug 15 with 2010 views | DanTheMan |
Facters answered why they might have referred to her in that way, but in general terms no, that wouldn't make sense. As you've put it, England wasn't even a nation.
They could have also meant Briton (as in Celtic Briton). Technically speaking, she was Iceni although can't say off the top of my head whether she was born Iceni or part of a different tribe.
Interesting Reddit thread on this topic - https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/11l24tj/how_do_historians_decide |  |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:22 - Aug 15 with 1948 views | Perublue |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:15 - Aug 15 by Lord_Lucan |
A troublemaker. |
To be fair , that was funny….regardless. |  |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:29 - Aug 15 with 1861 views | factual_blue |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 17:52 - Aug 15 by noggin |
What does that make someone from Northern Ireland, who identifies as Irish? |
It makes them an inhabitant of the island of Ireland, as opposed to the island of Britain.
Geography and nations aren't the same thing.
All inhabitants of Borneo are Bornean, but some of them are Malaysian, some Indonesian and the rest citizens of Burnei. | |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:38 - Aug 15 with 1818 views | Ftnfwest |
St George apparently can. Be a variety of nationalities before they existed that is. [Post edited 15 Aug 2024 18:40]
|  | | |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:43 - Aug 15 with 1763 views | noggin |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:29 - Aug 15 by factual_blue |
It makes them an inhabitant of the island of Ireland, as opposed to the island of Britain.
Geography and nations aren't the same thing.
All inhabitants of Borneo are Bornean, but some of them are Malaysian, some Indonesian and the rest citizens of Burnei. |
But born in the UK. | |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:49 - Aug 15 with 1712 views | Mullet |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:18 - Aug 15 by Keno |
Under the Irish Constitution they were lucky enough to have been born on the island of Ireland and those able to claim Irish citizenship and be Irish
They are among the luckiest people on the planet who are well know for being really nice people and incredible lovers |
Is that why they chucked you out? | |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:52 - Aug 15 with 1684 views | Buhrer |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:38 - Aug 15 by Ftnfwest |
St George apparently can. Be a variety of nationalities before they existed that is. [Post edited 15 Aug 2024 18:40]
|
You don't understand how patron saints work. They don't have to be a tribe member. It's actually often like picking a totem animal whose strengths you want to represent your tribe. |  | | |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 19:04 - Aug 15 with 1637 views | NthQldITFC |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:18 - Aug 15 by Keno |
Under the Irish Constitution they were lucky enough to have been born on the island of Ireland and those able to claim Irish citizenship and be Irish
They are among the luckiest people on the planet who are well know for being really nice people and incredible lovers |
I've always wondered if 'incredible' means the same as 'not credible'? |  |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 19:28 - Aug 15 with 1559 views | factual_blue |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:43 - Aug 15 by noggin |
But born in the UK. |
Or on Borneo, | |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 19:37 - Aug 15 with 1524 views | Guthrum |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 17:52 - Aug 15 by blueasfook |
She was a Briton, not British. |
Briton/British, same thing. Actually derives from Britannia, the Roman version of the old Brythonic (Celtic) name for the island, Ynys Prydein. |  |
| |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 19:37 - Aug 15 with 1524 views | Bluefarrier |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:29 - Aug 15 by factual_blue |
It makes them an inhabitant of the island of Ireland, as opposed to the island of Britain.
Geography and nations aren't the same thing.
All inhabitants of Borneo are Bornean, but some of them are Malaysian, some Indonesian and the rest citizens of Burnei. |
The Island of Great Britain. |  | | |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 20:12 - Aug 15 with 1466 views | factual_blue |
| Can someone be English/ British etc before England existed? on 18:52 - Aug 15 by Buhrer |
You don't understand how patron saints work. They don't have to be a tribe member. It's actually often like picking a totem animal whose strengths you want to represent your tribe. |
Edward III decided to ditch St Edmund as the national patron saint, and replace him with his own personal saint, namely George. He was looking to foster a national identity based on allegiance to the monarch, which is why we've ended up with a dirge of a 'national' anthem about saving the monarch.
Yes, I realise that GSTK is specifically about giving the tories and their Scottish Catholic allies a good kicking, but the conflation of the monarch with our national identity goes back to Edward lll, | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
