| Taylor 12:18 - Aug 20 with 4305 views | homer_123 |
I really want it to work for him. He's got so many good attributes but I feel he's between a rock and hard place.
For me, he's not quite got the qualities to displace Morsy or Luongo and with KP and our new Swede it's looking less likely he'll get playing time in that slot.
I think his best position for us would be in the Chappers role, more forward, more attacking, not least as he has a shot on him but actually I think he's better suited for that role for us.
Given Chappers is off the pace at the moment and Hutch's best position is wide right, I hope he gets some game time in that role. With Broady and Hirst out at the moment, he might just get some game time?
As I say, I really want it to work for him but it's like he's trying to hard (which is entirely understandable) when he gets on and it's not clicking. |  |
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| Taylor on 12:20 - Aug 20 with 3956 views | pointofblue |
I mentioned it before but Westlake made an interesting observation during the Nice game that Taylor's optimum position, where he excelled at Peterborough, doesn't r ally exist with us. He's not a holding midfielder, he's not seen as a number ten.
Like you, I'd like him to be tried further forward but now we've bought Szmodics in I sense he'll replace Chaplin before Taylor does? |  |
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| Taylor on 12:26 - Aug 20 with 3855 views | homer_123 |
| Taylor on 12:20 - Aug 20 by pointofblue |
I mentioned it before but Westlake made an interesting observation during the Nice game that Taylor's optimum position, where he excelled at Peterborough, doesn't r ally exist with us. He's not a holding midfielder, he's not seen as a number ten.
Like you, I'd like him to be tried further forward but now we've bought Szmodics in I sense he'll replace Chaplin before Taylor does? |
Yup, that's about right - at the moment he can't really play either role for us. I see him more of a ten at the moment and it's there he might get game time.
Szmodics, I think, for now, will play wide left? So maybe Taylor gets a look?
But hard to see it happening for him here, the longer it goes on.
A cracking player and one we really pursued as well. | |
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| Taylor on 12:32 - Aug 20 with 3749 views | Nutkins_Return |
He's not technical enough for the 10. He would be best suited to a box to box midfield role in a 3 which we don't play. He could do a job as a 10 in league one but in the champ and prem you need to have great touch, turn in tight spaces and be able to pick pinpoint balls through and very quick footballing brain. Its not his game.
He needs to be facing forward, driving forward and getting shots away on the run.
Good player but I think he moved down pecking order and will have to fight hard. He's unlucky. | |
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| Taylor on 12:34 - Aug 20 with 3721 views | homer_123 |
| Taylor on 12:32 - Aug 20 by Nutkins_Return |
He's not technical enough for the 10. He would be best suited to a box to box midfield role in a 3 which we don't play. He could do a job as a 10 in league one but in the champ and prem you need to have great touch, turn in tight spaces and be able to pick pinpoint balls through and very quick footballing brain. Its not his game.
He needs to be facing forward, driving forward and getting shots away on the run.
Good player but I think he moved down pecking order and will have to fight hard. He's unlucky. |
Agreed, hence why I think, in our lineup, he's better suited to a ten than a centre/ defensive mid. | |
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| Taylor on 12:35 - Aug 20 with 3697 views | ReusersTown |
| Taylor on 12:26 - Aug 20 by homer_123 |
Yup, that's about right - at the moment he can't really play either role for us. I see him more of a ten at the moment and it's there he might get game time.
Szmodics, I think, for now, will play wide left? So maybe Taylor gets a look?
But hard to see it happening for him here, the longer it goes on.
A cracking player and one we really pursued as well. |
I think ideally Hutchinson actually plays centrally once all of the pieces are in place, with Szmodics left. I don't hate the idea of Taylor playing the CAM role if we are looking to be more solid at points, but would that just invite teams on to us more, I just don't know. | | | |
| Taylor on 12:37 - Aug 20 with 3682 views | nodge_blue |
| Taylor on 12:20 - Aug 20 by pointofblue |
I mentioned it before but Westlake made an interesting observation during the Nice game that Taylor's optimum position, where he excelled at Peterborough, doesn't r ally exist with us. He's not a holding midfielder, he's not seen as a number ten.
Like you, I'd like him to be tried further forward but now we've bought Szmodics in I sense he'll replace Chaplin before Taylor does? |
Ive been thinking the exact same thoughts as Westlake.
I think (not 100% sure) that at Peterborough he played as a centre mid, but one that didn't have to receive the ball back to goal. played more advanced than the other and not as far forward as a number 10.
Bit like a later day Tommy miller.
He looks good when he has a bit of space and facing the opposition goal. Not so good when in a tight space and needing to inventively get the ball forward.
And yet Kieron wouldn't have bought him without envisaging the appropriate role for him in the team. |  |
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| Taylor on 12:38 - Aug 20 with 3670 views | bsw72 |
He is everything you want in a midfielder physically, hard working, fit, quite strong and will seemingly sacrifice everything for the good of the team, however I think he lacks the ability to find and create space the same way that Morsey and to an extent Luongo can.
His physical attributes and speed can mask that in the lower divisions, but I think that is where he struggles as we have reached the top of the Championship and now the Premier League. That innate ability to find an extra couple of yards of space is what separates those able to meet the demands of top flight football versus those who are an excellent professional, but not quite good enough at the top level.
I hope he develops to prove me wrong as I really like him and would love to see him succeed, but if I compare his development under McKenna to those of Morsey, Luongo, Burns and more recently Hutchinson, he seems to be slower to develop and improve. |  | | |
| Taylor on 12:42 - Aug 20 with 3536 views | homer_123 |
| Taylor on 12:35 - Aug 20 by ReusersTown |
I think ideally Hutchinson actually plays centrally once all of the pieces are in place, with Szmodics left. I don't hate the idea of Taylor playing the CAM role if we are looking to be more solid at points, but would that just invite teams on to us more, I just don't know. |
Hutch is way, way more effective (at the mo) coming in off the right. As he matures, grows and develops his game, he can move centrally.
Ideally, and this is now off topic, I'd like Hutch on the left (given Broady is out) and Burns on the right - but Hutch simply isn't as effective on the right.
I think he will end up as a CAM but at the moment, right is where he's been best for us. | |
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| Taylor on 12:45 - Aug 20 with 3482 views | pointofblue |
| Taylor on 12:42 - Aug 20 by homer_123 |
Hutch is way, way more effective (at the mo) coming in off the right. As he matures, grows and develops his game, he can move centrally.
Ideally, and this is now off topic, I'd like Hutch on the left (given Broady is out) and Burns on the right - but Hutch simply isn't as effective on the right.
I think he will end up as a CAM but at the moment, right is where he's been best for us. |
Slightly changing the topic, for Saturday, with the players available, I'd like to see us switch to three at the back, with a wing back system of Johnson and Davis, covered by Tuanzebe and Greaves, with Hutchinson and Szmodics playing as tens behind Delap. Both can move to the right and left respectively where required. Bringing back on topic, I'm not sure if I can see Taylor playing that role, nor being beside Morsy in a deeper one. | |
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| Taylor on 12:46 - Aug 20 with 3458 views | SomethingBlue |
Seems like he won't quite get the run he needs with us although sometimes an opportunity opens up and you never know. Suspect he ends up in the Championship by January to be honest. Bit hesitant to decide Chappers is off form after one game (in which he showed a couple of nice things) btw. | |
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| Taylor on 12:48 - Aug 20 with 3398 views | billlm |
I agree with all that Homer, I like Taylor, I agree about chaplin it's almost after the second half of last season has he reached his ceiling,
I thought chaplin might be better suited to the premiership as they stand off a bit giving him more time but he struggled Saturday a lot(was Liverpool), he needs to fire against the lower half clubs or he won't feature much after January, |  | | |
| Taylor on 12:49 - Aug 20 with 3385 views | BarcaBlue |
| Taylor on 12:42 - Aug 20 by homer_123 |
Hutch is way, way more effective (at the mo) coming in off the right. As he matures, grows and develops his game, he can move centrally.
Ideally, and this is now off topic, I'd like Hutch on the left (given Broady is out) and Burns on the right - but Hutch simply isn't as effective on the right.
I think he will end up as a CAM but at the moment, right is where he's been best for us. |
I thought Omari had his best games playing centrally last season and where I expected to see him this. Playing in the Chaplin role rather than Burns. Having said that playing across any of those three positions he's going to br crucial this season. |  | | |
| Taylor on 12:50 - Aug 20 with 3362 views | pointofblue |
| Taylor on 12:46 - Aug 20 by SomethingBlue |
Seems like he won't quite get the run he needs with us although sometimes an opportunity opens up and you never know. Suspect he ends up in the Championship by January to be honest. Bit hesitant to decide Chappers is off form after one game (in which he showed a couple of nice things) btw. |
I don't think people are saying Chaplin is off form after one game against one of the best teams in the country. For whatever reason, he hasn't been at his best since the turn of the year. | |
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| Taylor on 12:52 - Aug 20 with 3317 views | homer_123 |
| Taylor on 12:46 - Aug 20 by SomethingBlue |
Seems like he won't quite get the run he needs with us although sometimes an opportunity opens up and you never know. Suspect he ends up in the Championship by January to be honest. Bit hesitant to decide Chappers is off form after one game (in which he showed a couple of nice things) btw. |
By Chappers own high standards, the later half of last season he wasn't at his best.
You are right, there were indeed a few good touches Saturday and I am not writing him off in any way. | |
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| Taylor on 12:53 - Aug 20 with 3293 views | homer_123 |
| Taylor on 12:49 - Aug 20 by BarcaBlue |
I thought Omari had his best games playing centrally last season and where I expected to see him this. Playing in the Chaplin role rather than Burns. Having said that playing across any of those three positions he's going to br crucial this season. |
Oh he wasn't terrible playing the central role! 
I just thought coming in off that right caused so many teams issues, they never knew what to do with him.
I do think he'll end up learning and developing into that CAM role extremely well! | |
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| Taylor on 12:57 - Aug 20 with 3201 views | DJR |
| Taylor on 12:50 - Aug 20 by pointofblue |
I don't think people are saying Chaplin is off form after one game against one of the best teams in the country. For whatever reason, he hasn't been at his best since the turn of the year. |
In some ways (and whilst different players) Chaplin is a bit like Taylor in sense that he tends to do things at pace, which don't always come off.
They both could do with a bit more composure especially at this level, but Chaplin has the advantage that he is much more effective when it comes off, and is a great goal scorer, although I could certainly see him dropping down the pecking order. [Post edited 20 Aug 2024 12:58]
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| Taylor on 12:59 - Aug 20 with 3161 views | Vic |
| Taylor on 12:37 - Aug 20 by nodge_blue |
Ive been thinking the exact same thoughts as Westlake.
I think (not 100% sure) that at Peterborough he played as a centre mid, but one that didn't have to receive the ball back to goal. played more advanced than the other and not as far forward as a number 10.
Bit like a later day Tommy miller.
He looks good when he has a bit of space and facing the opposition goal. Not so good when in a tight space and needing to inventively get the ball forward.
And yet Kieron wouldn't have bought him without envisaging the appropriate role for him in the team. |
Thing is, we know that KM wasn't thinking we'd be in the Prem so quickly. Taylor has real potential in the championship - for which KM bought him. But in the Prem? I'm not so sure. he's another of our squad who the meteoric rise has meant they've been left behind far sooner than expected. El Miz, Humph, Ndaba and sveral other promising youths might have had a part to play in the Championship but no way can they play in the Prem. That will be for the next crop of youths coming through. |  |
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| Taylor on 13:04 - Aug 20 with 3109 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Decent player, certainly has some good physical trait, and fantastic ball striking.
Just think he lacks the technical quality to fit in to the team. |  |
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| Taylor on 13:13 - Aug 20 with 3005 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Taylor on 12:20 - Aug 20 by pointofblue |
I mentioned it before but Westlake made an interesting observation during the Nice game that Taylor's optimum position, where he excelled at Peterborough, doesn't r ally exist with us. He's not a holding midfielder, he's not seen as a number ten.
Like you, I'd like him to be tried further forward but now we've bought Szmodics in I sense he'll replace Chaplin before Taylor does? |
Have we got the same issue with szmodics now in that his best position isn't one we play with? |  |
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| Taylor on 13:17 - Aug 20 with 2945 views | vilanovablue |
I've said before it almost feels like we have outgrown Taylor as a club and due to our swift progress he's been left behind in terms of what we need. Shame really as I think he's a decent player but doesn't have a natural place in our 11 given the way we set up. |  | | |
| Taylor on 13:22 - Aug 20 with 2880 views | Mookamoo |
| Taylor on 13:13 - Aug 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Have we got the same issue with szmodics now in that his best position isn't one we play with? |
It will be more familiar for Szmodics if we play 3 CBs and just 2 No10s. He seems canny enough to work it all out. |  | | |
| Taylor on 13:27 - Aug 20 with 2825 views | Len_Brennan |
When Hirst is back fit & probably on the bench, because we have signed Broja or another £20m+ striker in his absence, we might see Delap move over to the right side of the attack, with Hutchinson becoming the established central attacker, alongside our new big money left-sided attacker or Szmodics depending on the opponent.
At that point Burns, Chaplin & Szmodics/new signing will be the preferred 3 on the bench for the attacking positions behind the centre forward.
Hard to see where Taylor would break into that set up, anymore than he would over our midfield 4 of Morsy, Luongo, Phillips & Cajuste.
Realistically, if he is still here when the window closes, he will be looking at substitute minutes because of a injury, at best. Even then, if Harness is kept too, he will be behind him. | | | |
| Taylor on 13:35 - Aug 20 with 2762 views | homer_123 |
| Taylor on 12:45 - Aug 20 by pointofblue |
Slightly changing the topic, for Saturday, with the players available, I'd like to see us switch to three at the back, with a wing back system of Johnson and Davis, covered by Tuanzebe and Greaves, with Hutchinson and Szmodics playing as tens behind Delap. Both can move to the right and left respectively where required. Bringing back on topic, I'm not sure if I can see Taylor playing that role, nor being beside Morsy in a deeper one. |
We have historically played 3 at the back anyway - with Davis being a winger but yes, I see what you are saying.
I think KM will stay, broadly, with the formation of Saturday but you maybe right, be interesting to see.
Agree re. Taylor. | |
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| Taylor on 13:44 - Aug 20 with 2701 views | ibbleobble |
Don't see him being selected ahead of Szmodics so it's a place on and off the bench is suspect. | | | |
| Taylor on 14:08 - Aug 20 with 2473 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Taylor on 12:45 - Aug 20 by pointofblue |
Slightly changing the topic, for Saturday, with the players available, I'd like to see us switch to three at the back, with a wing back system of Johnson and Davis, covered by Tuanzebe and Greaves, with Hutchinson and Szmodics playing as tens behind Delap. Both can move to the right and left respectively where required. Bringing back on topic, I'm not sure if I can see Taylor playing that role, nor being beside Morsy in a deeper one. |
I mean it is basically a back 3 anyway ?
As McKenna says at times it looks like 4231 and then it looks like 5221 or some variation of that. So I imagine vs city we will see more of the latter formation. | |
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