| A German managing England? 12:17 - Oct 15 with 11395 views | SitfcB |
Worlds gone mad. |  |
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| A German managing England? on 12:19 - Oct 15 with 6203 views | itfcjoe |
Think it's more that he wants the Man U job so is putting pressure on them |  |
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| A German managing England? on 13:35 - Oct 15 with 5953 views | tractorboy1978 |
| A German managing England? on 12:19 - Oct 15 by itfcjoe |
Think it's more that he wants the Man U job so is putting pressure on them |
I think he'd be a disastrous appointment for Man Utd but hopefully that's the route they take. [Post edited 15 Oct 2024 13:36]
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| A German managing England? on 13:39 - Oct 15 with 5905 views | Cotty |
Care to elaborate? I'm assuming this isn't Klopp! |  | | |
| A German managing England? on 13:40 - Oct 15 with 5889 views | WicklowBlue |
| A German managing England? on 13:39 - Oct 15 by Cotty |
Care to elaborate? I'm assuming this isn't Klopp! |
Tuchel |  | | |
| A German managing England? on 13:48 - Oct 15 with 5822 views | MattinLondon |
The best man should get the job - couldn’t care less about nationality. |  | | |
| A German managing England? on 13:52 - Oct 15 with 5795 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| A German managing England? on 13:48 - Oct 15 by MattinLondon |
The best man should get the job - couldn’t care less about nationality. |
I get that sentiment but isn't the whole point of international football to be the best of what your country can offer - including coaching staff?
Seems obvious to me but doesn't seem to be the case. |  | | |
| A German managing England? on 13:53 - Oct 15 with 5772 views | Keno |
| A German managing England? on 13:48 - Oct 15 by MattinLondon |
The best man should get the job - couldn’t care less about nationality. |
when you say "The best man' do you mean my mate Nigel??
I'm mean he did well on the day I got married, could probably do as well as Carlsey, he is British and an Ipswich Fan so maybe you are onto something!! |  |
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| A German managing England? on 14:14 - Oct 15 with 5657 views | HighgateBlue |
| A German managing England? on 13:52 - Oct 15 by FromReuserWithLove |
I get that sentiment but isn't the whole point of international football to be the best of what your country can offer - including coaching staff?
Seems obvious to me but doesn't seem to be the case. |
I can understand the purist position that a country should only have a manager or coach who qualifies for that country in the same way as players, but this has never been a settled feature of international football. We all know about smaller nations recruiting coaches from established footballing powers, but going back almost a hundred years, top nations have had foreign managers.
Argentina had an Italian in the 1930s, France and Belgium and the Netherlands all Englishmen in the 1930s, Italy had a Hungarian in the 1950s, Spain had an Argentine-Frenchman in the 1960s, and Sweden appeared at four World Cups before finally being managed by a Swede at one in 1970. It really is so well-established within pretty much every one of the top nations apart from Brazil*.
We've already had a Swede, an Italian, and currently have someone who played international football for Ireland.
I think even those who still harbour an unnatural obsession with World War II would have to accept that Italy was on the other side in that conflict, and so Capello has already broken that taboo (insofar as it was one).
(*One might raise Germany, but Germany in its current form has only existed since 1990, and includes the former East Germany. The last East German manager was born in occupied Poland, and I can't be bothered to check the ones before him.) |  | | |
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| A German managing England? on 14:22 - Oct 15 with 5606 views | itfcjoe |
| A German managing England? on 14:14 - Oct 15 by HighgateBlue |
I can understand the purist position that a country should only have a manager or coach who qualifies for that country in the same way as players, but this has never been a settled feature of international football. We all know about smaller nations recruiting coaches from established footballing powers, but going back almost a hundred years, top nations have had foreign managers.
Argentina had an Italian in the 1930s, France and Belgium and the Netherlands all Englishmen in the 1930s, Italy had a Hungarian in the 1950s, Spain had an Argentine-Frenchman in the 1960s, and Sweden appeared at four World Cups before finally being managed by a Swede at one in 1970. It really is so well-established within pretty much every one of the top nations apart from Brazil*.
We've already had a Swede, an Italian, and currently have someone who played international football for Ireland.
I think even those who still harbour an unnatural obsession with World War II would have to accept that Italy was on the other side in that conflict, and so Capello has already broken that taboo (insofar as it was one).
(*One might raise Germany, but Germany in its current form has only existed since 1990, and includes the former East Germany. The last East German manager was born in occupied Poland, and I can't be bothered to check the ones before him.) |
I think people may be surprised at how quickly things can fall apart from what has been an incredible culture over the last few years - there is talk of having all the talent now, but managing to retain that culture with all the egos there now is going to be incredibly difficult.
Tuchel's record in managing egos and difficult situations, and then having pressure on him for being the England manager doesn't fill me with great hope if he were to get the job.
Effectively, you just have to try and get it right for the the knockout phases at a tournament every 2 years, and everything else is just noise - it's similar to when he was at PSG where only thing that matters was knockouts of the Champions League
I don't want to go foreign personally, think it is an embarrassment for a developed and top footballing nation to need to do so - but if we do I would only really want someone who is steeped in the English game like a Pep or a Klopp, or an Arteta. To move away from the top echelon of managers I'd be happier with Thomas Frank than Thomas Tuchel as want someone to have that full understanding of the English game. | |
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| A German managing England? on 14:30 - Oct 15 with 5536 views | baxterbasics |
I gather the main qualification, and the first question to be asked at the interview, is are they willing to learn and sing the national anthem? |  |
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| A German managing England? on 14:30 - Oct 15 with 5531 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| A German managing England? on 13:52 - Oct 15 by FromReuserWithLove |
I get that sentiment but isn't the whole point of international football to be the best of what your country can offer - including coaching staff?
Seems obvious to me but doesn't seem to be the case. |
Spot on.
Let's call up Halaand and Mbappe whilst we're at.
Saliba and Gabriel seem to work well together - could offer them a position too. | | | |
| A German managing England? on 14:30 - Oct 15 with 5534 views | DanTheMan |
| A German managing England? on 13:52 - Oct 15 by FromReuserWithLove |
I get that sentiment but isn't the whole point of international football to be the best of what your country can offer - including coaching staff?
Seems obvious to me but doesn't seem to be the case. |
Unless everybody plays by these rules, I don't see why we should. |  |
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| A German managing England? on 14:41 - Oct 15 with 5468 views | MattinLondon |
| A German managing England? on 13:52 - Oct 15 by FromReuserWithLove |
I get that sentiment but isn't the whole point of international football to be the best of what your country can offer - including coaching staff?
Seems obvious to me but doesn't seem to be the case. |
The whole point of international football is to win games and hopefully win trophies.
Losing with an English manager in the semis of a major tournament or winning the tournament with a German manger - no brainer isn’t it? | | | |
| 1940 Called on 14:43 - Oct 15 with 5451 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
It wants its thread back. |  |
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| A German managing England? on 14:49 - Oct 15 with 5414 views | itfcjoe |
| A German managing England? on 14:30 - Oct 15 by DanTheMan |
Unless everybody plays by these rules, I don't see why we should. |
All the major footballing nations do, Greece the only country to win a major tournament with a foreign manager.
I couldn't imagine Germany, Italy, Netherlands or Spain having a foreign manager and we should be past that with what we've spent on St Georges park over the last 25 years. | |
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| A German managing England? on 14:52 - Oct 15 with 5376 views | MattinLondon |
| A German managing England? on 14:49 - Oct 15 by itfcjoe |
All the major footballing nations do, Greece the only country to win a major tournament with a foreign manager.
I couldn't imagine Germany, Italy, Netherlands or Spain having a foreign manager and we should be past that with what we've spent on St Georges park over the last 25 years. |
Can you imagine Belgium or Portugal having a foreign manager? | | | |
| A German managing England? on 15:00 - Oct 15 with 5335 views | itfcjoe |
| A German managing England? on 14:52 - Oct 15 by MattinLondon |
Can you imagine Belgium or Portugal having a foreign manager? |
Yes, Portugal especially with it's close ties to Brazil - and Belgium a country where the 2 halves of it speak a different first language so would imagine there's less of a Belgian identity to get behind sporting wise
But the major European leagues 'the big 5' are England, Spain, Germany, Italy and France and they should all have enough infrastructure to have enough coaches etc to not need to go for a foreign manager - plus the Dutch are excellent with their coach education and leagues. | |
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| A German managing England? on 15:03 - Oct 15 with 5311 views | ReusersTown |
| A German managing England? on 13:48 - Oct 15 by MattinLondon |
The best man should get the job - couldn’t care less about nationality. |
I think the whole point of international football may have gone over your head. | | | |
| A German managing England? on 15:07 - Oct 15 with 5274 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| A German managing England? on 15:00 - Oct 15 by itfcjoe |
Yes, Portugal especially with it's close ties to Brazil - and Belgium a country where the 2 halves of it speak a different first language so would imagine there's less of a Belgian identity to get behind sporting wise
But the major European leagues 'the big 5' are England, Spain, Germany, Italy and France and they should all have enough infrastructure to have enough coaches etc to not need to go for a foreign manager - plus the Dutch are excellent with their coach education and leagues. |
Good point, we've got great coaching infrastructure and development.
I vote we give it to the last English manager to win the premier league! | | | |
| A German managing England? on 15:15 - Oct 15 with 5219 views | jontysnut |
| A German managing England? on 15:03 - Oct 15 by ReusersTown |
I think the whole point of international football may have gone over your head. |
So if Pep and Big Sam got to the final 2? |  | | |
| A German managing England? on 15:17 - Oct 15 with 5206 views | Bigalhunter |
| A German managing England? on 15:07 - Oct 15 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Good point, we've got great coaching infrastructure and development.
I vote we give it to the last English manager to win the premier league! |
Let’s widen the pool slightly and just go for the last English manager to win a domestic trophy of any description….
Chap called Steve McClaren, apparently.
What could go wrong?
Oh. |  |
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| A German managing England? on 15:40 - Oct 15 with 5121 views | itfcjoe |
| A German managing England? on 15:07 - Oct 15 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Good point, we've got great coaching infrastructure and development.
I vote we give it to the last English manager to win the premier league! |
There are some good English managers about, but I wouldn't want to break the bank to get a manager out of a club so would be focussing only on those unemployed or nearing the ends of contracts.
It's not purely about nationality, but we've previously brought in 2 foreign managers who had little understanding of the English game and I'd argue Tuchel just is also a really poor fit in that regard.
If we are going to appoint a foreign manager, I'd be much happier with one who has managed significantly in England to get to grips with the footballing culture here | |
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| A German managing England? on 15:45 - Oct 15 with 5075 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| A German managing England? on 15:40 - Oct 15 by itfcjoe |
There are some good English managers about, but I wouldn't want to break the bank to get a manager out of a club so would be focussing only on those unemployed or nearing the ends of contracts.
It's not purely about nationality, but we've previously brought in 2 foreign managers who had little understanding of the English game and I'd argue Tuchel just is also a really poor fit in that regard.
If we are going to appoint a foreign manager, I'd be much happier with one who has managed significantly in England to get to grips with the footballing culture here |
I think you missed my rather tongue in cheek point about the supposedly elite coaching and managing development infrastructure we have here.
But to answer you seriously, the two previous foreign managers you mention that had little understanding of the English game...well maybe the 'English game' is the problem given the amount of English managers we've had that managed to win exactly the same amount of trophies as the foreign managers.
It's nothing to do with understanding a culture and everything to do with being a knockout competition coach. I'd love an English manager.
But a Tuchel wins us anything before a Howe [Post edited 15 Oct 2024 15:46]
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| A German managing England? on 15:58 - Oct 15 with 4972 views | itfcjoe |
| A German managing England? on 15:45 - Oct 15 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
I think you missed my rather tongue in cheek point about the supposedly elite coaching and managing development infrastructure we have here.
But to answer you seriously, the two previous foreign managers you mention that had little understanding of the English game...well maybe the 'English game' is the problem given the amount of English managers we've had that managed to win exactly the same amount of trophies as the foreign managers.
It's nothing to do with understanding a culture and everything to do with being a knockout competition coach. I'd love an English manager.
But a Tuchel wins us anything before a Howe [Post edited 15 Oct 2024 15:46]
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Our most successful knockout manager was Gareth Southgate ahead of much bigger names - the culture that has been built isn't worth throwing away for a Tuchel, or a Mourinho who is probably the best knockout manager out there still alongside Ancelotti.
Is Tuchel even a great knockout manager? One Champions League with Chelsea | |
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| A German managing England? on 16:03 - Oct 15 with 4907 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| A German managing England? on 15:58 - Oct 15 by itfcjoe |
Our most successful knockout manager was Gareth Southgate ahead of much bigger names - the culture that has been built isn't worth throwing away for a Tuchel, or a Mourinho who is probably the best knockout manager out there still alongside Ancelotti.
Is Tuchel even a great knockout manager? One Champions League with Chelsea |
I'd take a toxic culture that takes 8 years to rebuild for one world cup in the meantime.
Southgate was successful if your definition of success isn't winning trophies.
Also, if you don't know what Tuchel has won why comment on it? [Post edited 15 Oct 2024 16:07]
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