| A German managing England? 12:17 - Oct 15 with 11389 views | SitfcB |
Worlds gone mad. |  |
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| A German managing England? on 09:13 - Oct 16 with 1358 views | soupytwist |
From that list, surely the standout contender is Sean Dyche?
Everton's new owners will likely get rid of him at some point shortly after the takeover goes through so the FA just has to wait for that to happen. |  | | |
| A German managing England? on 10:05 - Oct 16 with 1283 views | itfcsuth |
The England manager should be English. Simple as that.
The players should be the best English players representing their country, and it is no different for the manager.
You can't turn around and say we have no left back so we will just pick one from a different nation.
A German man should not be the manager of England - with no disrespect to Tuchel, a really good manager. |  | | |
| A German managing England? on 10:16 - Oct 16 with 1270 views | GeoffSentence |
It's worked well enough for the monarchy over the years. |  |
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| A German managing England? on 10:33 - Oct 16 with 1238 views | Jon_456 |
| A German managing England? on 10:05 - Oct 16 by itfcsuth |
The England manager should be English. Simple as that.
The players should be the best English players representing their country, and it is no different for the manager.
You can't turn around and say we have no left back so we will just pick one from a different nation.
A German man should not be the manager of England - with no disrespect to Tuchel, a really good manager. |
You can’t pick a player from another nation because the rules don’t allow it (aside from dual nationality). There’s nothing to say a national team manager must be from the same nation.
No one seemed to have a problem under Southgate with JFH being Dutch and Martyn Margetson being Welsh. And I didn’t see any complaints about Sarina Wiegman when England won Women’s Euro 22.
If we want to win a competition we surely just want the best person for the job.
There are currently 3 English managers in the premier league (Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche & Gary O’Neil), hardly a fantastic selection pool. Can’t really blame the FA for going for Tuchel. |  | | |
| A German managing England? on 11:33 - Oct 16 with 1174 views | SE1blue |
| A German managing England? on 10:33 - Oct 16 by Jon_456 |
You can’t pick a player from another nation because the rules don’t allow it (aside from dual nationality). There’s nothing to say a national team manager must be from the same nation.
No one seemed to have a problem under Southgate with JFH being Dutch and Martyn Margetson being Welsh. And I didn’t see any complaints about Sarina Wiegman when England won Women’s Euro 22.
If we want to win a competition we surely just want the best person for the job.
There are currently 3 English managers in the premier league (Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche & Gary O’Neil), hardly a fantastic selection pool. Can’t really blame the FA for going for Tuchel. |
One thing that should be picked up on with the FA, is that they’re clearly admitting failure in their England ‘DNA’ approach and the development system which was meant to deliver quality England managers in future.
England managers get sacked and players get blamed, but let’s see where responsibility (and the blame you’ve mentioned) falls at the FA for this u-turn. |  |
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| A German managing England? on 11:41 - Oct 16 with 1151 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Not the world, just the FA
It’s curious in a sport where England have long given up on the concept of an English manager that ‘we’ haven’t followed the example of other nations, not to mention the England cricket or rugby teams who seem happy to pick someone who’s been there on holiday
Maybe that’s the master plan for Tuchel to buy in whoever he wants. | |
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| A German managing England? on 11:43 - Oct 16 with 1145 views | FrimleyBlue |
I really wanted Potter to get the England job,. He'd have been good I reckon |  |
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| A German managing England? on 11:57 - Oct 16 with 1109 views | SitfcB |
Signed his contract last Tuesday! | |
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| A German managing England? on 12:26 - Oct 16 with 1064 views | Jon_456 |
| A German managing England? on 11:33 - Oct 16 by SE1blue |
One thing that should be picked up on with the FA, is that they’re clearly admitting failure in their England ‘DNA’ approach and the development system which was meant to deliver quality England managers in future.
England managers get sacked and players get blamed, but let’s see where responsibility (and the blame you’ve mentioned) falls at the FA for this u-turn. |
I do agree but for how long has this newer development system been running for?
It takes time to develop these coaches so I don’t think we can judge the success of it for probably another 10 years or so. McKenna must have been coaching for nearly 10 years before he felt it was the right time to go into management, and even then it’s taken him another 3 years to further develop into the manager he is right now.
On top of that it’s also important to look at the number of coaches entering the game. I’m sure I read a stat somewhere a couple of years ago showing the number of coaches in the top 5 countries and we were considerably less than the other four. Why that is I don’t know.
Perhaps the player wages in this country (even down to league 2) are much higher and so there is less need for players to look for coaching career after football? | | | |
| A German managing England? on 12:51 - Oct 16 with 1033 views | Vic |
| A German managing England? on 10:33 - Oct 16 by Jon_456 |
You can’t pick a player from another nation because the rules don’t allow it (aside from dual nationality). There’s nothing to say a national team manager must be from the same nation.
No one seemed to have a problem under Southgate with JFH being Dutch and Martyn Margetson being Welsh. And I didn’t see any complaints about Sarina Wiegman when England won Women’s Euro 22.
If we want to win a competition we surely just want the best person for the job.
There are currently 3 English managers in the premier league (Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche & Gary O’Neil), hardly a fantastic selection pool. Can’t really blame the FA for going for Tuchel. |
What is wrong with us as a country when we have a place as one of the elite football nations in the world (rarely out of the top 6 really) but we can't produce managers/coaches considered good enough for our top league - and even less so our national side?
What are Germany, Spain, France and even Portugal doing better than us that they produce coaches that are considered better than English alternatives? |  |
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| A German managing England? on 13:05 - Oct 16 with 1011 views | Ryorry |
| A German managing England? on 10:33 - Oct 16 by Jon_456 |
You can’t pick a player from another nation because the rules don’t allow it (aside from dual nationality). There’s nothing to say a national team manager must be from the same nation.
No one seemed to have a problem under Southgate with JFH being Dutch and Martyn Margetson being Welsh. And I didn’t see any complaints about Sarina Wiegman when England won Women’s Euro 22.
If we want to win a competition we surely just want the best person for the job.
There are currently 3 English managers in the premier league (Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche & Gary O’Neil), hardly a fantastic selection pool. Can’t really blame the FA for going for Tuchel. |
“didn’t see any complaints about Sarina Wiegman when England won Women’s Euro 22.”
The England women’s team don’t have the same history v. Germany as the England men’s team do. Our men’s history v. them is the main issue for me. |  |
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| A German managing England? on 13:10 - Oct 16 with 1003 views | SE1blue |
| A German managing England? on 12:26 - Oct 16 by Jon_456 |
I do agree but for how long has this newer development system been running for?
It takes time to develop these coaches so I don’t think we can judge the success of it for probably another 10 years or so. McKenna must have been coaching for nearly 10 years before he felt it was the right time to go into management, and even then it’s taken him another 3 years to further develop into the manager he is right now.
On top of that it’s also important to look at the number of coaches entering the game. I’m sure I read a stat somewhere a couple of years ago showing the number of coaches in the top 5 countries and we were considerably less than the other four. Why that is I don’t know.
Perhaps the player wages in this country (even down to league 2) are much higher and so there is less need for players to look for coaching career after football? |
It was introduced 10 years ago. I think that’s long enough to have created a framework in which you see new managers getting lined up and pushing for the top role.
But I question the attraction of the role too. It’s interesting to see that Southgate considered quitting before the last tournament, and Carsley might’ve wanted it but stated he was happy to go back to the U21s once he knew Tuchel was in place. A
The FAs failure to train and recruit quality/winning (I think Southgate’s recruitment was more luck than judgment) managers opens them up to be attacked by the gutter press and sections of the public because of nearly 60 years of failure. They’re a worse hr dept than the BBC. | |
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| A German managing England? on 13:14 - Oct 16 with 991 views | itfcsuth |
| A German managing England? on 10:33 - Oct 16 by Jon_456 |
You can’t pick a player from another nation because the rules don’t allow it (aside from dual nationality). There’s nothing to say a national team manager must be from the same nation.
No one seemed to have a problem under Southgate with JFH being Dutch and Martyn Margetson being Welsh. And I didn’t see any complaints about Sarina Wiegman when England won Women’s Euro 22.
If we want to win a competition we surely just want the best person for the job.
There are currently 3 English managers in the premier league (Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche & Gary O’Neil), hardly a fantastic selection pool. Can’t really blame the FA for going for Tuchel. |
Whether it is within the rules or not - to represent your country, especially at majors tournaments is the greatest privilege and should be the very best in every department representing your nation.
It should be the very best representing the country, from that country. It is as simple as that. | | | |
| A German managing England? on 13:19 - Oct 16 with 984 views | Ryorry |
| A German managing England? on 13:10 - Oct 16 by SE1blue |
It was introduced 10 years ago. I think that’s long enough to have created a framework in which you see new managers getting lined up and pushing for the top role.
But I question the attraction of the role too. It’s interesting to see that Southgate considered quitting before the last tournament, and Carsley might’ve wanted it but stated he was happy to go back to the U21s once he knew Tuchel was in place. A
The FAs failure to train and recruit quality/winning (I think Southgate’s recruitment was more luck than judgment) managers opens them up to be attacked by the gutter press and sections of the public because of nearly 60 years of failure. They’re a worse hr dept than the BBC. |
Your point re the British gutter press could be the key one. Who needs all that 💩 thrown at them?
Got to say Mr. T is a particularly brave man to be willing to take that on, he surely knows what he’s in for if it all goes horribly wrong. | |
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| A German managing England? on 13:24 - Oct 16 with 964 views | itfcjoe |
| A German managing England? on 13:10 - Oct 16 by SE1blue |
It was introduced 10 years ago. I think that’s long enough to have created a framework in which you see new managers getting lined up and pushing for the top role.
But I question the attraction of the role too. It’s interesting to see that Southgate considered quitting before the last tournament, and Carsley might’ve wanted it but stated he was happy to go back to the U21s once he knew Tuchel was in place. A
The FAs failure to train and recruit quality/winning (I think Southgate’s recruitment was more luck than judgment) managers opens them up to be attacked by the gutter press and sections of the public because of nearly 60 years of failure. They’re a worse hr dept than the BBC. |
The difficulty is for managers to take that step to be at an elite club, they need to prove themselves at the top of leagues competing for titles and managing European campaigns.
And to be an English manager doing that it is next to impossible because you don't get the opportunity to do that in the Premier League - so the likes of Arne Slot, Ruben Amorin, Erik Ten Haag, Ange Postecoglu get these elite jobs by doing this in leagues where it is possible to do it.
I think it is starting to turn, but it's incredibly difficult for English managers to even get a PL job because there are much easier leagues to showcase yourself in on the continent, and you can showcase yourself under far less pressure |  |
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| A German managing England? on 13:29 - Oct 16 with 946 views | SE1blue |
| A German managing England? on 13:19 - Oct 16 by Ryorry |
Your point re the British gutter press could be the key one. Who needs all that 💩 thrown at them?
Got to say Mr. T is a particularly brave man to be willing to take that on, he surely knows what he’s in for if it all goes horribly wrong. |
Yup and it’s traditionally been a role for managers who are VERY middle ground and undynamic when it comes to club football (Allardyce, McClaren, Hodgson, Southgate) or those whose best years have gone and won’t be taken on by top clubs anymore (SGE, Capello).
Hardly inspiring for future generations or those more experimental upcoming managers. [Post edited 16 Oct 2024 13:30]
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| A German managing England? on 13:29 - Oct 16 with 944 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| A German managing England? on 11:33 - Oct 16 by SE1blue |
One thing that should be picked up on with the FA, is that they’re clearly admitting failure in their England ‘DNA’ approach and the development system which was meant to deliver quality England managers in future.
England managers get sacked and players get blamed, but let’s see where responsibility (and the blame you’ve mentioned) falls at the FA for this u-turn. |
Don't think they thought Southgate would leave at this point - suspect they banked on him going to the next competition and then Carsley being ready. Clearly come too soon.
Either way - Tuchel is a good appointment. Good knockout football record and that's what really matters. He'll win something. |  |
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| A German managing England? on 13:32 - Oct 16 with 927 views | MattinLondon |
| A German managing England? on 11:41 - Oct 16 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not the world, just the FA
It’s curious in a sport where England have long given up on the concept of an English manager that ‘we’ haven’t followed the example of other nations, not to mention the England cricket or rugby teams who seem happy to pick someone who’s been there on holiday
Maybe that’s the master plan for Tuchel to buy in whoever he wants. |
It’s curious in a sport where England have long given up on the concept of an English manager…
Southgate only left a couple months ago not twenty years ago.
Idiot. |  | | |
| A German managing England? on 13:40 - Oct 16 with 895 views | SE1blue |
| A German managing England? on 13:24 - Oct 16 by itfcjoe |
The difficulty is for managers to take that step to be at an elite club, they need to prove themselves at the top of leagues competing for titles and managing European campaigns.
And to be an English manager doing that it is next to impossible because you don't get the opportunity to do that in the Premier League - so the likes of Arne Slot, Ruben Amorin, Erik Ten Haag, Ange Postecoglu get these elite jobs by doing this in leagues where it is possible to do it.
I think it is starting to turn, but it's incredibly difficult for English managers to even get a PL job because there are much easier leagues to showcase yourself in on the continent, and you can showcase yourself under far less pressure |
Think that could possibly be one benefit of the top 6 going to a Super League - more English managers getting jobs in a new top tier English league.
But something tells me that would just become a diluted Premiership 2.0 with Forest, West Ham, Palace etc just taking on the role of the current top 6 and things becoming just the same but with different clubs. | |
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| A German managing England? on 13:54 - Oct 16 with 846 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| A German managing England? on 13:05 - Oct 16 by Ryorry |
“didn’t see any complaints about Sarina Wiegman when England won Women’s Euro 22.”
The England women’s team don’t have the same history v. Germany as the England men’s team do. Our men’s history v. them is the main issue for me. |
Yawn, stop living in the past grandad. Not good for your health. | | | |
| A German managing England? on 13:58 - Oct 16 with 837 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| A German managing England? on 13:40 - Oct 16 by SE1blue |
Think that could possibly be one benefit of the top 6 going to a Super League - more English managers getting jobs in a new top tier English league.
But something tells me that would just become a diluted Premiership 2.0 with Forest, West Ham, Palace etc just taking on the role of the current top 6 and things becoming just the same but with different clubs. |
Well you clearly misunderstood what the super league proposal was. They were never going to leave domestic football. They were going to leave uefa. | | | |
| A German managing England? on 14:19 - Oct 16 with 819 views | Ryorry |
| A German managing England? on 13:54 - Oct 16 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Yawn, stop living in the past grandad. Not good for your health. |
Calm down dears (don’t just mean you) - must say I’m amazed at how frazzled this thread’s become. So much for our country being brought together by our national team!
Signed
Grandma. | |
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| A German managing England? on 15:18 - Oct 16 with 732 views | SE1blue |
| A German managing England? on 13:58 - Oct 16 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Well you clearly misunderstood what the super league proposal was. They were never going to leave domestic football. They were going to leave uefa. |
I am not sure why your replies are always so condescending and trying to ‘poke the bear’ but for the first time ever, I am adding someone onto my ignore list. | |
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| A German managing England? on 15:43 - Oct 16 with 700 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| A German managing England? on 15:18 - Oct 16 by SE1blue |
I am not sure why your replies are always so condescending and trying to ‘poke the bear’ but for the first time ever, I am adding someone onto my ignore list. |
Don't be a snowflake ❄️😂 | | | |
| A German managing England? on 18:53 - Oct 16 with 616 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| A German managing England? on 13:05 - Oct 16 by Ryorry |
“didn’t see any complaints about Sarina Wiegman when England won Women’s Euro 22.”
The England women’s team don’t have the same history v. Germany as the England men’s team do. Our men’s history v. them is the main issue for me. |
I don’t think the England Women’s history (or lack of one) with Germany would ever be much of a barrier to them appointing a Dutch manager… |  |
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