| US term limits - Vance 07:50 - Nov 12 with 2772 views | Zx1988 |
One for those on here who like American things...
I've seen a few conspiracy theories about Trump/Vance/Musk etc., in that it's actually Vance who's Musk's man, and that Trump may be a trojan horse with the intention of invoking the 25th Amendment and handing the keys to the Oval Office to Vance pretty much on day one.
If this happened, how would term limits work in such a scenario? Would Vance effectively get a free term, having not been voted in this time? Or are the rules more nuanced than that? |  |
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| US term limits - Vance on 08:01 - Nov 12 with 2686 views | GlasgowBlue |
Firstly, I wouldn’t believe in conspiracy theories. Secondly, he would still only serve two terms. The reason Biden stayed as President whilst Harris was the candidate was because the last few months would have counted as term one. Had she won she could have only served a second term from January 2025. |  |
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| US term limits - Vance on 08:32 - Nov 12 with 2586 views | cbower |
| US term limits - Vance on 08:01 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
Firstly, I wouldn’t believe in conspiracy theories. Secondly, he would still only serve two terms. The reason Biden stayed as President whilst Harris was the candidate was because the last few months would have counted as term one. Had she won she could have only served a second term from January 2025. |
Are you sure on this? When Kennedy was assassinated, LBJ became President in November 1963. He was then elected in his own right in 1964 but against expectations did "not seek" the Democratic nomination in 1968. Was it different due to circumstance? |  |
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| US term limits - Vance on 08:40 - Nov 12 with 2546 views | NthQldITFC |
Vance does certainly have the vacant look of something created by AI! (that's a joke, by the way) |  |
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| US term limits - Vance on 08:50 - Nov 12 with 2513 views | Mookamoo |
| US term limits - Vance on 08:32 - Nov 12 by cbower |
Are you sure on this? When Kennedy was assassinated, LBJ became President in November 1963. He was then elected in his own right in 1964 but against expectations did "not seek" the Democratic nomination in 1968. Was it different due to circumstance? |
I think its got something to do if a vice president then serves 2 year as president - that then counts as their first term. |  | | |
| US term limits - Vance on 09:12 - Nov 12 with 2442 views | GlasgowBlue |
| US term limits - Vance on 08:32 - Nov 12 by cbower |
Are you sure on this? When Kennedy was assassinated, LBJ became President in November 1963. He was then elected in his own right in 1964 but against expectations did "not seek" the Democratic nomination in 1968. Was it different due to circumstance? |
I stand corrected.
The 22nd Amendment provides:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
So if Trump went before serving two years then Vance could serve 2 1/2 terms. If Vance took over before 2026 that would count as term one.
Edit. So basically you have a maximum of 10 years if you take over mid term. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 9:13]
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| US term limits - Vance on 09:52 - Nov 12 with 2348 views | Guthrum |
Vance would also have to win elections.
He hasn't got the presence, cachet or recognition of Trump. Unless he suddenly transforms into a brilliant public performer*, it will be an uphill battle, assuming the Democrats can find someone reasonably charismatic.
* Not that Trump is, but he has a head start from long-time celebrity status and being on TV, plus having set himself up as a symbol of revolutionary change. He can also do the populist patter well. Vance was nobody until a few months ago, then will be Vice-President, a notoriously anonymous office. |  |
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| US term limits - Vance on 10:15 - Nov 12 with 2296 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| US term limits - Vance on 09:52 - Nov 12 by Guthrum |
Vance would also have to win elections.
He hasn't got the presence, cachet or recognition of Trump. Unless he suddenly transforms into a brilliant public performer*, it will be an uphill battle, assuming the Democrats can find someone reasonably charismatic.
* Not that Trump is, but he has a head start from long-time celebrity status and being on TV, plus having set himself up as a symbol of revolutionary change. He can also do the populist patter well. Vance was nobody until a few months ago, then will be Vice-President, a notoriously anonymous office. |
Vance is very much Kylo Ren to Trump's wizened Darth Sidious. Right down to the circa 2002 emo eyeliner. | | | |
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| US term limits - Vance on 10:18 - Nov 12 with 2278 views | tractordownsouth |
| US term limits - Vance on 09:52 - Nov 12 by Guthrum |
Vance would also have to win elections.
He hasn't got the presence, cachet or recognition of Trump. Unless he suddenly transforms into a brilliant public performer*, it will be an uphill battle, assuming the Democrats can find someone reasonably charismatic.
* Not that Trump is, but he has a head start from long-time celebrity status and being on TV, plus having set himself up as a symbol of revolutionary change. He can also do the populist patter well. Vance was nobody until a few months ago, then will be Vice-President, a notoriously anonymous office. |
In the 2022 mid-terms, the Trump-endorsed candidates in swing states (Oz, Mastriano, Lake, Walker) performed worse than the generic Republicans. When Trump isn't on the ballot, the MAGA base doesn't show up and these candidates aren't popular with swing voters. Doing the same routine minus the charisma isn't a winning strategy.
Whoever the next cult leader is has a tricky task because Trump has managed to have it both ways. He still retains support from the base because of the novelty factor of being the first presidential candidate to push boundaries the way he does, but for everyone else that same novelty factor is gone. It's almost like "oh that's just Trump, he says outrageous things all the time", which allows him to run a far more extreme campaign in 2024 than he ever did in 2016 while the coverage is largely the same. |  |
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| US term limits - Vance on 10:18 - Nov 12 with 2255 views | ElephantintheRoom |
It’s a dynasty. | |
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| US term limits - Vance on 10:21 - Nov 12 with 2260 views | Guthrum |
The US electorate are not fond of dynasties.
See the lack of success for later-generation Kennedies, or Hillary Clinton.
GW Bush was an exception, but his father only served one term and Jeb didn't get anywhere. | |
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| US term limits - Vance on 10:26 - Nov 12 with 2227 views | EdwardStone |
| US term limits - Vance on 10:21 - Nov 12 by Guthrum |
The US electorate are not fond of dynasties.
See the lack of success for later-generation Kennedies, or Hillary Clinton.
GW Bush was an exception, but his father only served one term and Jeb didn't get anywhere. |
One might argue that, in the case of the Trump family, it would be more of a dysentry, rather than a dynasty..... a never-ending stream of sh1te |  | | |
| US term limits - Vance on 10:28 - Nov 12 with 2213 views | LeoMuff |
You would imagine Don Jr being lined up next. |  |
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| US term limits - Vance on 10:37 - Nov 12 with 2165 views | Mookamoo |
| US term limits - Vance on 10:28 - Nov 12 by LeoMuff |
You would imagine Don Jr being lined up next. |
They do have form when it come to electing idiot sons.
or maybe the daughter next time | | | |
| US term limits - Vance on 10:41 - Nov 12 with 2153 views | iamatractorboy |
| US term limits - Vance on 10:28 - Nov 12 by LeoMuff |
You would imagine Don Jr being lined up next. |
Trying to decide if there is a cheeky pun in there or not. Don Jr must indeed be in with a sniff... | | | |
| US term limits - Vance on 10:44 - Nov 12 with 2143 views | ronnyd |
| US term limits - Vance on 08:40 - Nov 12 by NthQldITFC |
Vance does certainly have the vacant look of something created by AI! (that's a joke, by the way) |
Is it really you saying this? Just asking.  | | | |
| US term limits - Vance on 10:46 - Nov 12 with 2106 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| US term limits - Vance on 10:28 - Nov 12 by LeoMuff |
You would imagine Don Jr being lined up next. |
The lovely Ivanka might be the first woman president if she can be persuaded to run… and that latest spawn, Baron, looks remarkably like Trump, which should be enough to get on the ticket.
In the meantime I suspect the inner circle will dominate the Republican ticket for the next eight years…. Adding Mr Florida was a shrewd move. Assuming the US economy surges and a few immigrants get bashed that should be enough to shut out the democrats for quite some time. | |
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| US term limits - Vance on 11:12 - Nov 12 with 2028 views | LeoMuff |
| US term limits - Vance on 10:37 - Nov 12 by Mookamoo |
They do have form when it come to electing idiot sons.
or maybe the daughter next time |
Don’t think Ivanka is that keen, got burned last time with her involvement first term. Don Jr I would think, dumb as a rock but that won’t matter as we have seen. | |
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| US term limits - Vance on 14:00 - Nov 12 with 1841 views | reusersfreekicks |
| US term limits - Vance on 09:12 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
I stand corrected.
The 22nd Amendment provides:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
So if Trump went before serving two years then Vance could serve 2 1/2 terms. If Vance took over before 2026 that would count as term one.
Edit. So basically you have a maximum of 10 years if you take over mid term. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 9:13]
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Vance could serve 2 1/2 years
What has happened to the world!!! |  | | |
| US term limits - Vance on 15:10 - Nov 12 with 1764 views | J2BLUE |
This makes zero sense. |  |
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| US term limits - Vance on 17:13 - Nov 12 with 1604 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| US term limits - Vance on 15:10 - Nov 12 by J2BLUE |
This makes zero sense. |
It makes perfect sense if you get your news from, and believe what you hear on YouTube. |  |
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| US term limits - Vance on 22:39 - Nov 12 with 1371 views | Europablue |
| US term limits - Vance on 09:52 - Nov 12 by Guthrum |
Vance would also have to win elections.
He hasn't got the presence, cachet or recognition of Trump. Unless he suddenly transforms into a brilliant public performer*, it will be an uphill battle, assuming the Democrats can find someone reasonably charismatic.
* Not that Trump is, but he has a head start from long-time celebrity status and being on TV, plus having set himself up as a symbol of revolutionary change. He can also do the populist patter well. Vance was nobody until a few months ago, then will be Vice-President, a notoriously anonymous office. |
Don't you think that Trump will back him if he likes him?
Whether Vance is electable in four years is entirely down to how well the Trump administration does. You'd have to imagine he is being groomed for the job and he will gradually be given more exposure.
Remember that you don't need to be overly charismatic, you just have to be less bad than the other guy and the Democrats don't have any obvious candidates. | | | |
| US term limits - Vance on 10:12 - Nov 13 with 1132 views | tractordownsouth |
| US term limits - Vance on 22:39 - Nov 12 by Europablue |
Don't you think that Trump will back him if he likes him?
Whether Vance is electable in four years is entirely down to how well the Trump administration does. You'd have to imagine he is being groomed for the job and he will gradually be given more exposure.
Remember that you don't need to be overly charismatic, you just have to be less bad than the other guy and the Democrats don't have any obvious candidates. |
If Trump wants Vance to be the candidate, he'll need to put him front and centre instead of hiding him away like Biden did to Harris.
I can't see Trump running the risk of anyone upstaging him though. | |
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