| Our right wing back problem 15:38 - Jan 20 with 3614 views | GlasgowBlue |
Ben Johnson has been very poor imo. We try Wes Burns as a more attacking wing back option. The one player we haven't started in that position is Harry Clarke. All of his starts have been at right back in a 4 rather than the attacking wing back.
As he started his career as a more attacking player would it be worth giving him a try in that role? I appreciate that KM has suggested that he may e available to loan but our right side is clearly our weak spot. |  |
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| Our right wing back problem on 15:43 - Jan 20 with 2935 views | gsoly |
You know Johnson's been poor when people think he's a more attacking option than Burns! Read that a few times yesterday. I hope KM picks one and sticks with them for a few games now. Sadly, don't think HC is the answer - especially after Kieran said he'd let him out on loan. |  | | |
| Our right wing back problem on 15:45 - Jan 20 with 2891 views | pointofblue |
Possibly. Johnson's best performances have been as more of a right winger with a right back behind him. As a right back or right wing back he has not looked good. We're getting to the point where we can't keep chopping and changing. We have as close as we can get to a must win coming up on 1st February. A settled team who understand each others roles is imperative for that game. Yesterday, I think the number of "first times" at the back did have an affect on the overall performance. |  |
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| Our right wing back problem on 15:49 - Jan 20 with 2845 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Our right wing back problem on 15:45 - Jan 20 by pointofblue |
Possibly. Johnson's best performances have been as more of a right winger with a right back behind him. As a right back or right wing back he has not looked good. We're getting to the point where we can't keep chopping and changing. We have as close as we can get to a must win coming up on 1st February. A settled team who understand each others roles is imperative for that game. Yesterday, I think the number of "first times" at the back did have an affect on the overall performance. |
We need somebody on the right who can do a similar job to Davis. Defend well plus add an attacking threat. Johnson looks caught between the two and doesn't know what he's supposed to be doing imo. | |
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| Our right wing back problem on 15:53 - Jan 20 with 2806 views | HighgateBlue |
I believe we've tried Axel with each of Burns, Johnson and Hutch in front of him.
I would pick Axel. It's fluid as to whether it's 4 at the back or 3, depending on who's in possession and which side the play is on.
Axel has done little wrong for me, and given the alternative options, and given that they must be able to defend (See the Man City match....) I would pick Axel and let the rest of the right side congregate around him. |  | | |
| Our right wing back problem on 15:59 - Jan 20 with 2744 views | pointofblue |
| Our right wing back problem on 15:49 - Jan 20 by GlasgowBlue |
We need somebody on the right who can do a similar job to Davis. Defend well plus add an attacking threat. Johnson looks caught between the two and doesn't know what he's supposed to be doing imo. |
My concern Clarke is the first point you've raised there - defend well. I'm not quite sure whether he's up to it at this level. Davis struggles at a times, and was a cut above, then some, in the Championship. | |
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| Our right wing back problem on 15:59 - Jan 20 with 2740 views | bsw72 |
I don't think he has been any worse than other options down the right, but has lacked consistency (like most of the team).
Yesterday he started off well, worked hard to close down Doku really quickly as he was covered by Godfrey. This quick closing down was very effective for the first 20+ mins as Doku rarley got to the byline or behind the defence.
However City tweaked their formation which pushed their midfield further forward to support Haaland (assume Pep identified our midfield was not pushing on), this meant Godfrey was covering more in the middle and left Johnson more exposed - once this changed, Johnson was not able to close down Doku as quickly, or with the confidence that there was cover.
The trouble with the PL, is that we have no room to learn to adjust. |  | | |
| Our right wing back problem on 16:00 - Jan 20 with 2724 views | BarcaBlue |
I would rather keep Johnson there than Harry Clarke. He's not yet at the level required, maybe a decent loan and regular playing time is what he really needs right now.
I really can't see past Axel for right back now he's back from injury but it is almost certainly a position we'll need to look at in the Summer. |  | | |
| Our right wing back problem on 16:03 - Jan 20 with 2683 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Our right wing back problem on 15:53 - Jan 20 by HighgateBlue |
I believe we've tried Axel with each of Burns, Johnson and Hutch in front of him.
I would pick Axel. It's fluid as to whether it's 4 at the back or 3, depending on who's in possession and which side the play is on.
Axel has done little wrong for me, and given the alternative options, and given that they must be able to defend (See the Man City match....) I would pick Axel and let the rest of the right side congregate around him. |
But Axel is the right sided full back. It's the player in front of his that is the issue. Needs to be somebody who can attack and defend. | |
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| Our right wing back problem on 16:06 - Jan 20 with 2645 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
How about Godfrey?
Lightning quick, comfortable on the ball. |  |
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| Our right wing back problem on 16:08 - Jan 20 with 2635 views | gsoly |
| Our right wing back problem on 15:53 - Jan 20 by HighgateBlue |
I believe we've tried Axel with each of Burns, Johnson and Hutch in front of him.
I would pick Axel. It's fluid as to whether it's 4 at the back or 3, depending on who's in possession and which side the play is on.
Axel has done little wrong for me, and given the alternative options, and given that they must be able to defend (See the Man City match....) I would pick Axel and let the rest of the right side congregate around him. |
Formation has seemingly changed now - although I do expect it to revert back to more of a 4-2-3-1 against Southampton.
But in terms of our current set up, Axel comes in for Godfrey, with one of Burns/Johnson at RWB. | | | |
| Our right wing back problem on 16:14 - Jan 20 with 2564 views | BseaBlue |
| Our right wing back problem on 16:03 - Jan 20 by GlasgowBlue |
But Axel is the right sided full back. It's the player in front of his that is the issue. Needs to be somebody who can attack and defend. |
Now Axel is back and gives us a bit more solidity in that right hand side, do we potentially see a change back to three attackers behind Delap? Omari in the ten with Philogene on the right and then one of Sammie/Broady/Clarke on the left. |  | | |
| Our right wing back problem on 16:16 - Jan 20 with 2554 views | itfcjoe |
I don't really get the role Johnson is here to play, or was signed to?
Our RB is generally a more defensively solid guy who can move over into a back 3 when we attack.
Our RW is a hard worker but with attacking flair who can be an attacking weapon first and foremost but is solid and hard working going the other way
Johnson doesn't seem to suit either role for me. Too weak to be a RB, not got enough about him to be a RW and whilst has put in some ok performances, generally Wes Burns has been better in that role and we signed Ogbene to play there (and are chasing Doak).
He strikes me as a versatile misstep in the market if we want to have that role contributing at both ends of the pitch |  |
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| Our right wing back problem on 16:17 - Jan 20 with 2535 views | Illinoisblue |
Harry’s Ipswich career is over essentially, isn’t it? For this season at least. |  |
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| Our right wing back problem on 16:18 - Jan 20 with 2517 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Our right wing back problem on 16:16 - Jan 20 by itfcjoe |
I don't really get the role Johnson is here to play, or was signed to?
Our RB is generally a more defensively solid guy who can move over into a back 3 when we attack.
Our RW is a hard worker but with attacking flair who can be an attacking weapon first and foremost but is solid and hard working going the other way
Johnson doesn't seem to suit either role for me. Too weak to be a RB, not got enough about him to be a RW and whilst has put in some ok performances, generally Wes Burns has been better in that role and we signed Ogbene to play there (and are chasing Doak).
He strikes me as a versatile misstep in the market if we want to have that role contributing at both ends of the pitch |
I think the powers that be saw a free transfer with potential profit.
Would we have paid a decent fee for him? Probably not. | |
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| Our right wing back problem on 16:20 - Jan 20 with 2489 views | NeedhamChris |
I think Wes's defensive work is often underrated - I can't remember too many games where he has been at fault as much as Johnson has this year.
The problem I think with Burns is that people judge him negatively when he's more defensive because he hasn't offered the threat going forward we're used to him offering. | |
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| Our right wing back problem on 16:23 - Jan 20 with 2442 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Our right wing back problem on 16:20 - Jan 20 by NeedhamChris |
I think Wes's defensive work is often underrated - I can't remember too many games where he has been at fault as much as Johnson has this year.
The problem I think with Burns is that people judge him negatively when he's more defensive because he hasn't offered the threat going forward we're used to him offering. |
Agreed. | |
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| Our right wing back problem on 16:33 - Jan 20 with 2323 views | Len_Brennan |
| Our right wing back problem on 15:59 - Jan 20 by bsw72 |
I don't think he has been any worse than other options down the right, but has lacked consistency (like most of the team).
Yesterday he started off well, worked hard to close down Doku really quickly as he was covered by Godfrey. This quick closing down was very effective for the first 20+ mins as Doku rarley got to the byline or behind the defence.
However City tweaked their formation which pushed their midfield further forward to support Haaland (assume Pep identified our midfield was not pushing on), this meant Godfrey was covering more in the middle and left Johnson more exposed - once this changed, Johnson was not able to close down Doku as quickly, or with the confidence that there was cover.
The trouble with the PL, is that we have no room to learn to adjust. |
I think this is exactly right. Early on we looked decent on the right, with Godfrey covering Johnson & both getting forward to good effect. I was thinking we had made a super signing in Godfrey; but when City adjusted to the centre, & Johnson got isolated on Doku, we were cooked.
I think we need to settle on Tuanzebe, O'Shea & Greaves, with Davis on the left, but the right wing/wingback position is a bit of a quandry. Maybe Ogbene was the right man for the job, but Johnson & Burns have both been caught out badly against good wingers, as has Clarke when he played.
Maybe Godfrey is an option out there, but perhaps have an attacker who can retain the ball, & consistently beat the fullback, is the best form of defence for the run it. | | | |
| Our right wing back problem on 16:34 - Jan 20 with 2293 views | nodge_blue |
| Our right wing back problem on 16:16 - Jan 20 by itfcjoe |
I don't really get the role Johnson is here to play, or was signed to?
Our RB is generally a more defensively solid guy who can move over into a back 3 when we attack.
Our RW is a hard worker but with attacking flair who can be an attacking weapon first and foremost but is solid and hard working going the other way
Johnson doesn't seem to suit either role for me. Too weak to be a RB, not got enough about him to be a RW and whilst has put in some ok performances, generally Wes Burns has been better in that role and we signed Ogbene to play there (and are chasing Doak).
He strikes me as a versatile misstep in the market if we want to have that role contributing at both ends of the pitch |
I think you are spot on Joe. Defensively he let Doku run free far too many times. Attacking wise he offered nothing.
Feel he is a mistake and i feel for him a bit. But on the other hand didn't we give him a 5 year contract? Cant see anyone taking him off us on decent wages. |  |
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| Our right wing back problem on 17:23 - Jan 20 with 2082 views | gsoly |
| Our right wing back problem on 16:34 - Jan 20 by nodge_blue |
I think you are spot on Joe. Defensively he let Doku run free far too many times. Attacking wise he offered nothing.
Feel he is a mistake and i feel for him a bit. But on the other hand didn't we give him a 5 year contract? Cant see anyone taking him off us on decent wages. |
Have it on pretty good authority he's on £60k-a-week as well. The perks of letting your contract run down. We are *really* going to struggle to shift that off the wage bill. | | | |
| Our right wing back problem on 17:46 - Jan 20 with 1980 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Been over doing the weight lifting again GB? No need to go down the royal we route though despite your sense of self importance. |  |
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| Our right wing back problem on 17:50 - Jan 20 with 1946 views | pointofblue |
| Our right wing back problem on 17:46 - Jan 20 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Been over doing the weight lifting again GB? No need to go down the royal we route though despite your sense of self importance. |
Really necessary? | |
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| Our right wing back problem on 17:59 - Jan 20 with 1900 views | bournemouthblue |
| Our right wing back problem on 16:16 - Jan 20 by itfcjoe |
I don't really get the role Johnson is here to play, or was signed to?
Our RB is generally a more defensively solid guy who can move over into a back 3 when we attack.
Our RW is a hard worker but with attacking flair who can be an attacking weapon first and foremost but is solid and hard working going the other way
Johnson doesn't seem to suit either role for me. Too weak to be a RB, not got enough about him to be a RW and whilst has put in some ok performances, generally Wes Burns has been better in that role and we signed Ogbene to play there (and are chasing Doak).
He strikes me as a versatile misstep in the market if we want to have that role contributing at both ends of the pitch |
I suspect like Clarke, he'll look decent in the Championship but doesn't look great in the PL
It's easy to forget he is still young and learning though
I'm surprised we didn't go for Jayden Bogle from Sheffield United, he has since ended up at Leeds |  |
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| Our right wing back problem on 18:29 - Jan 20 with 1797 views | DJR |
I thought Johnson was one of our better performers last night, and I am not sure that some of the criticism he has previously received is totally justfied.
The issues for me last night appeared to be more in the organisation of the defence, and perhaps it was just to radical to make two changes to a back three that had done well, as well as changing O'Shea's position.
For what is worth, I didn't think O'Shea marshalled the defence as well as Wolfy, and I can't say I was especially impressed by Godfrey.
Having said this, our players were up against world class players who were better than them, so perhaps it's difficult to criticise anyone, Delap being the only one of our players who showed that he might have the ability to play for a team such as City. [Post edited 20 Jan 18:32]
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| Our right wing back problem on 18:36 - Jan 20 with 1751 views | Horsham |
| Our right wing back problem on 16:16 - Jan 20 by itfcjoe |
I don't really get the role Johnson is here to play, or was signed to?
Our RB is generally a more defensively solid guy who can move over into a back 3 when we attack.
Our RW is a hard worker but with attacking flair who can be an attacking weapon first and foremost but is solid and hard working going the other way
Johnson doesn't seem to suit either role for me. Too weak to be a RB, not got enough about him to be a RW and whilst has put in some ok performances, generally Wes Burns has been better in that role and we signed Ogbene to play there (and are chasing Doak).
He strikes me as a versatile misstep in the market if we want to have that role contributing at both ends of the pitch |
Have admit I thought he came from West Ham primarily as a right sided defender and a it for JD/Axel role. Surprised how frail he is defensively. Disappointing really. Maybe we’ve just not seen his best. |  | | |
| Our right wing back problem on 18:44 - Jan 20 with 1723 views | Vaughan8 |
| Our right wing back problem on 16:16 - Jan 20 by itfcjoe |
I don't really get the role Johnson is here to play, or was signed to?
Our RB is generally a more defensively solid guy who can move over into a back 3 when we attack.
Our RW is a hard worker but with attacking flair who can be an attacking weapon first and foremost but is solid and hard working going the other way
Johnson doesn't seem to suit either role for me. Too weak to be a RB, not got enough about him to be a RW and whilst has put in some ok performances, generally Wes Burns has been better in that role and we signed Ogbene to play there (and are chasing Doak).
He strikes me as a versatile misstep in the market if we want to have that role contributing at both ends of the pitch |
Agree with this.
Doesn't look "solid" enough to be the right back, but isn't attacking enough, like say Davis, to be the wing back.
I thought he was signed to be, and had previously played as a right back.
However, in his defence, has he ever played 2 games in a row? He seems to come in, then hes out a few games, comes in for a game etc. | | | |
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