| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap 07:19 - Feb 3 with 3109 views | NeedhamChris |
I don't think this 29.5m quoted is as far fetched a figure as people are making out.
There seems to be a lack of understanding that a buyback clause reduces the amount a club needs to pay in a transfer negotiation.
If the only way to sign Delap for a lower price was to accept a £29.5m buyback - I can see the logic of that seeming a low risk deal for the club. The price without a buyback could have easily been well beyond what we wanted to pay.
Being paid £10-15m effectively to loan Delap for a season isn't a terrible deal on paper, and there are many on here who didn't think Delap was with the money we paid at the time so hindsight is a wonderful thing.
It'll hurt, but I won't blame the club for being cautious. Just hope it happens in the summer not this window. |  |
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 07:38 - Feb 3 with 2811 views | hoppy |
“seems to be a lack of understanding” should really read “a lot of guesswork from everyone commenting about it” as nobody, including yourself, unless you’ve read the actual signed contract, knows the details of it. |  |
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 07:40 - Feb 3 with 2796 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
As good as Ashton has been, if we are now in a position where Man City can buy back the player that keeps us off bottom for less than 30million in a January window, and we must accept this, he should be ready to resign!
I will believe it when I see it, our business has been bad but not that bad surely? |  |
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 07:43 - Feb 3 with 2754 views | CaptainAhab |
Hate to say it, but I agree with you. Have seen lots of people say there is no way Ashton would agree to such terms, but if that was the only way the deal was getting done, then it's possible.
That said, it's still all just speculation and hopefully well wide of the mark | | | |
| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 07:46 - Feb 3 with 2716 views | BlueBoots |
| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 07:38 - Feb 3 by hoppy |
“seems to be a lack of understanding” should really read “a lot of guesswork from everyone commenting about it” as nobody, including yourself, unless you’ve read the actual signed contract, knows the details of it. |
At the time of signing, all that was reported was a fee of £15m + £5m Add-ons, a 20% sell-on clause, and a "buy-back clause" - as you say, will be guesswork about the terms of that final clause from anyone who hasn't seen the contract. |  |
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 07:48 - Feb 3 with 2698 views | StokieBlue |
You've had a pop at other posters for speculating about the completely unknown workings of the contract whilst yourself speculating on the completely unknown workings of the contract.
We just need to wait and see as it's fairly clear nobody really has a clue what is in that contract.
SB [Post edited 3 Feb 7:49]
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 07:54 - Feb 3 with 2623 views | tonybied |
The thing is, we probably had little choice but to accept a buyback clause in the deal. Despite Delaps mediocre loans before joining us, he was very highly rated. We also had competition from at least Southampton, if not others. This means City we're in a good selling position, so they had more scope to dictate clauses to protect their "asset". Without this clause we would not have been able to sign him.
Essentially, it is what it is and we'll just have to accept it. If people are looking to beat the club if Delap does leave for less than we're expecting due to a buyback, they should look elsewhere, it's just a side effect of the club being a newly promoted team and having to take more risks in our transfer business. Our name and finances just don't currently have the clout to sign players that don't involve a hefty amount of risk. |  | | |
| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 08:08 - Feb 3 with 2505 views | NeedhamChris |
| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 07:48 - Feb 3 by StokieBlue |
You've had a pop at other posters for speculating about the completely unknown workings of the contract whilst yourself speculating on the completely unknown workings of the contract.
We just need to wait and see as it's fairly clear nobody really has a clue what is in that contract.
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Would you like to try and find some evidence to support that first paragraph? I think you'll find that the last time we bickered about speculation it was me defending people's right to speculate and you arguing they needed evidence to do so (Delap on the right as one example). I hope you'll apologise - as in your haste to jump on me rather than my post, you've made a mistake there.
It's sad that COVID has destroyed your ability to separate what needs a firm scientific evidence base (where I agree with you on anti vaccine propaganda) and what doesn't. Musings on a football forum do not fall into the former.
Phil might as well shut the board for deadline day if we're not to discuss speculation. | |
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 08:09 - Feb 3 with 2495 views | NeedhamChris |
| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 07:40 - Feb 3 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
As good as Ashton has been, if we are now in a position where Man City can buy back the player that keeps us off bottom for less than 30million in a January window, and we must accept this, he should be ready to resign!
I will believe it when I see it, our business has been bad but not that bad surely? |
Even if the only alternative was no Delap at all? | |
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 08:27 - Feb 3 with 2375 views | StokieBlue |
| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 08:08 - Feb 3 by NeedhamChris |
Would you like to try and find some evidence to support that first paragraph? I think you'll find that the last time we bickered about speculation it was me defending people's right to speculate and you arguing they needed evidence to do so (Delap on the right as one example). I hope you'll apologise - as in your haste to jump on me rather than my post, you've made a mistake there.
It's sad that COVID has destroyed your ability to separate what needs a firm scientific evidence base (where I agree with you on anti vaccine propaganda) and what doesn't. Musings on a football forum do not fall into the former.
Phil might as well shut the board for deadline day if we're not to discuss speculation. |
"There seems to be a lack of understanding"
You've stated that people don't understand then speculated on something you can't possibly understand either as you've got no more insight than anyone else. In fact you've made subsequent statements after that to which there is also no evidence but stated it as fact.
Speculation is fine and as you say it's a football message forum but if there is evidence (such as in the Delap RW example you've highlighted) then that evidence should be used. Citing an opinion as better than those who "lack understanding" when both are privy to exactly the same information is not the same thing.
Hoppy has said basically the same thing as me but you've not singled him out - quite interesting for someone who calls out "playing the poster" quite frequently.
I doubt you'll agree and I am sure we are both busy so have a good day.
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 09:04 - Feb 3 with 2123 views | Bellevue_Blue |
It's far fetched for a few reasons ..
A) This was not a low risk deal for the club. They were buying a player to play upfront who had had three average loan deals to Championship clubs, playing a mixture of LW/ RW & CF and spending £15M+£5M on him. In hindsight it's easy to see this as low risk given what he has turned into. £20M for an unproven player who most saw as a squad option was considered a big fee for all. City got a more than fair deal!
B) For Manchester City to want to buy a player back and the player accepting you are talking about truly world class talent. Ashton knows that and therefore it would have been negligent to accept a buy-back anywhere close to that level. Given Ashton's track record, I'd be pretty amazed if that was negotiated.
c) If City rated him as highly as some are saying, they would have just loaned him out. [Post edited 3 Feb 9:06]
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 09:25 - Feb 3 with 2008 views | pointofblue |
The whole point of signing young players who are not ready to make the step up (basically all of our young signings bar Delap) is for one or two to make the step up and cover the rest of the outlay. If this deal is in place then it really hurts the club moving forward as it gives us far less room to manoeuvre.
Our only hope would be that Delap sees that City want to use him for cash only and tells them where to shove it. Unless the clause is he has to accept a contract offer, which would be - by the sounds of it - similar to the Philogene situation. | |
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 09:40 - Feb 3 with 1925 views | NeedhamChris |
| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 08:27 - Feb 3 by StokieBlue |
"There seems to be a lack of understanding"
You've stated that people don't understand then speculated on something you can't possibly understand either as you've got no more insight than anyone else. In fact you've made subsequent statements after that to which there is also no evidence but stated it as fact.
Speculation is fine and as you say it's a football message forum but if there is evidence (such as in the Delap RW example you've highlighted) then that evidence should be used. Citing an opinion as better than those who "lack understanding" when both are privy to exactly the same information is not the same thing.
Hoppy has said basically the same thing as me but you've not singled him out - quite interesting for someone who calls out "playing the poster" quite frequently.
I doubt you'll agree and I am sure we are both busy so have a good day.
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I thought it was pretty clear that the paragraph you refer to there is in relation to buyback clauses in general, and that having one helps to reduce the upfront cost. I don't think I need to know the inner workings of Delaps contract to know that.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cn492y9p3kgo.am - just one of many that references that buybacks allow the buying club to get a cheaper deal.
I'm actually defending the club on this one (if indeed it turns out there is one)
I'm terms of your last paragraph, I think that's a bit disingenuous of you tbh. Hoppy picked at the logic of this post only - you cited previous comments from me and effectively called me a hypocrite. Anyone objective should be able to read the two posts and understand why I replied to yours.
Wish you a good day also. | |
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 09:47 - Feb 3 with 1870 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
We really don't need to go around this loop again.
NOBODY KNOWS
Delap Buy Back Clause by SuffolkPunchFC 20 Jan 18:06It's been discussed extensively if you search through the forum.
TLDR : No one knows, just loads of speculation with limited basis. The details of the contract were never stated by Town or Citeh
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 09:49 - Feb 3 with 1857 views | Kieran_Knows |
If it is a buy back inserted in the deal, then of course it's going to be at the benefit of Man City, and not us. There's no way City would insert that sort of clause at say, £60m. I'll be amazed if it was anymore than £35m. |  |
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 09:57 - Feb 3 with 1807 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 08:09 - Feb 3 by NeedhamChris |
Even if the only alternative was no Delap at all? |
I don't believe he's done that, or Delap will leave during this window. | |
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| I’ve been constantly amazed that…. on 10:26 - Feb 3 with 1658 views | Bloots |
| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 09:49 - Feb 3 by Kieran_Knows |
If it is a buy back inserted in the deal, then of course it's going to be at the benefit of Man City, and not us. There's no way City would insert that sort of clause at say, £60m. I'll be amazed if it was anymore than £35m. |
….a large section of fans/posters seem to think that Ashton would somehow be able to pull off an amazing deal to our benefit when dealing with little old Man City.
Basically the conversation would have been:
“You’ll pay what we want and we’ll put in whatever clauses we want. Take your action man beard, tight black t-shirts and David Brent cliches back to Suffolk and be thankful that we even spoke to you” [Post edited 3 Feb 10:29]
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| I’ve been constantly amazed that…. on 11:13 - Feb 3 with 1460 views | waveneyblue |
| I’ve been constantly amazed that…. on 10:26 - Feb 3 by Bloots |
….a large section of fans/posters seem to think that Ashton would somehow be able to pull off an amazing deal to our benefit when dealing with little old Man City.
Basically the conversation would have been:
“You’ll pay what we want and we’ll put in whatever clauses we want. Take your action man beard, tight black t-shirts and David Brent cliches back to Suffolk and be thankful that we even spoke to you” [Post edited 3 Feb 10:29]
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It's only ever been a matter of time before NeedhamChris turned into a full blown Frimmers tribute act.
Looks like today's the day it's finally happening.
In these turbulent times, it's exactly what this forum needs. |  | | |
| I’ve been constantly amazed that…. on 11:17 - Feb 3 with 1421 views | pointofblue |
| I’ve been constantly amazed that…. on 11:13 - Feb 3 by waveneyblue |
It's only ever been a matter of time before NeedhamChris turned into a full blown Frimmers tribute act.
Looks like today's the day it's finally happening.
In these turbulent times, it's exactly what this forum needs. |
In this case, NeedhamChris is defending club. | |
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 11:46 - Feb 3 with 1340 views | braveblue |
| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 07:40 - Feb 3 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
As good as Ashton has been, if we are now in a position where Man City can buy back the player that keeps us off bottom for less than 30million in a January window, and we must accept this, he should be ready to resign!
I will believe it when I see it, our business has been bad but not that bad surely? |
What nonsense. | | | |
| I’ve been constantly amazed that…. on 11:51 - Feb 3 with 1306 views | LeoMuff |
| I’ve been constantly amazed that…. on 10:26 - Feb 3 by Bloots |
….a large section of fans/posters seem to think that Ashton would somehow be able to pull off an amazing deal to our benefit when dealing with little old Man City.
Basically the conversation would have been:
“You’ll pay what we want and we’ll put in whatever clauses we want. Take your action man beard, tight black t-shirts and David Brent cliches back to Suffolk and be thankful that we even spoke to you” [Post edited 3 Feb 10:29]
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I’m not sure on that, we paid top dollar at the time for potential which had upto that point very much not delivered. At the time felt city got a very good deal.
Now with hindsight all seems different, but at the time felt like we overpaid. |  |
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 11:52 - Feb 3 with 1300 views | rickw |
I'm sure Phil said before it's just a "first option" Man City have on him (same as Villa had on Philogene in the summer) so Man City can match any offer we accept from another club and he has to talk to them first |  |
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| I’ve been constantly amazed that…. on 12:08 - Feb 3 with 1207 views | NeedhamChris |
| I’ve been constantly amazed that…. on 11:13 - Feb 3 by waveneyblue |
It's only ever been a matter of time before NeedhamChris turned into a full blown Frimmers tribute act.
Looks like today's the day it's finally happening.
In these turbulent times, it's exactly what this forum needs. |
I'm literally defending Ashton/ITFC... | |
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| I don't understand the furore about a potential buyback clause for Delap on 12:12 - Feb 3 with 1178 views | pointofblue |
As an aside, Sherwood on SSN just said he thinks we'd sell for £40m.
I'd want more than that but perhaps I'm deluded. | |
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| I’ve been constantly amazed that…. on 12:15 - Feb 3 with 1152 views | waveneyblue |
| I’ve been constantly amazed that…. on 12:08 - Feb 3 by NeedhamChris |
I'm literally defending Ashton/ITFC... |
It was more the arguing with SB to be honest.
A good old fashioned back and forth.
Appreciate it wasn't full on Frimmers, so apologies | | | |
| I’ve been constantly amazed that…. on 12:21 - Feb 3 with 1117 views | Dubtractor |
| I’ve been constantly amazed that…. on 10:26 - Feb 3 by Bloots |
….a large section of fans/posters seem to think that Ashton would somehow be able to pull off an amazing deal to our benefit when dealing with little old Man City.
Basically the conversation would have been:
“You’ll pay what we want and we’ll put in whatever clauses we want. Take your action man beard, tight black t-shirts and David Brent cliches back to Suffolk and be thankful that we even spoke to you” [Post edited 3 Feb 10:29]
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Fwiw I think Ashton has done a really good job here overall, but it's a bit naive to think he has some kind of superpower that his peers at other clubs don't.
In fairness, after the years of mismanagement (non management? ) from Evans, basic competence does seem like sorcery by comparison. |  |
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