| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke 19:00 - Feb 22 with 3232 views | carlisleaway |
Omari has proved his worth, but sorry the other two are to light and easily pushed off the ball.
Love McKenna but looking back at his purchases we have been done.
Would take a miracle to escape the drop |  | | |  |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:03 - Feb 22 with 2767 views | ITFC_84 |
Totally agree. Smzodics has to start now. Mature, strong, wily. |  | | |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:03 - Feb 22 with 2748 views | FrimleyBlue |
When we purchased philogene and broady was back. I'd have liked clarke to be given the burns wide right role. He's the closest thing to it and can also whip a ball in.
Stick axel behind him and see how it goes imo. |  |
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| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:08 - Feb 22 with 2689 views | Mat |
Correct I’m afraid - Omari is fine but the other 2 are too good for the Champ but not good enough for the Prem | | | |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:08 - Feb 22 with 2684 views | ITFC_Forever |
Clarke was ok today and got an assist. |  |
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| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:11 - Feb 22 with 2662 views | Smoresy |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:03 - Feb 22 by ITFC_84 |
Totally agree. Smzodics has to start now. Mature, strong, wily. |
Maybe it's my memory but I feel he's been one of our weaker players, physically. Puts a lot of effort in for sure. | | | |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:14 - Feb 22 with 2628 views | homer_123 |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:03 - Feb 22 by FrimleyBlue |
When we purchased philogene and broady was back. I'd have liked clarke to be given the burns wide right role. He's the closest thing to it and can also whip a ball in.
Stick axel behind him and see how it goes imo. |
He doesn't have the pace or engine for it. Plus he's spent the entirety of his successful career coming in of the left. |  |
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| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:17 - Feb 22 with 2579 views | itfcsuth |
Omari has a bright future, a talented player - but should not be the one you rest your trust on week in week out in the PL - and there identifies part of the problem.
Jaden & J.Clarke no upgrades on Broadhead, for over £30m the pair you’d have hoped they would.
Recruitment has been really poor, it’s ultimately what will cost us this season. |  | | |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:17 - Feb 22 with 2563 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:14 - Feb 22 by homer_123 |
He doesn't have the pace or engine for it. Plus he's spent the entirety of his successful career coming in of the left. |
Burns didn't really have the pace for it at this level but still did ok. We just never made the most of him when he played before injury.
Engine you maybe onto something but I've not really looked it it.
He's played both roles. I accept he's been successful for Sunderland on the left. But that was in the champ. I'm just surprised when we're screaming out for a right footed wide player we've ignored him for it when we've got the ready made left sided invert ready in both broady and philogene and Sammy coming back. | |
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| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:19 - Feb 22 with 2557 views | jasondozzell |
Players take time to bed in to new location, club, team mates, style, etc.
Just one of those things. You're not purchasing a product. A human.
Both Philogene and Clarke excellent players. Suspect we will see them go on to do very well for town.
Just a shame it's not been easy instant impact. But that's life. |  | | |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:34 - Feb 22 with 2436 views | Churchman |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:19 - Feb 22 by jasondozzell |
Players take time to bed in to new location, club, team mates, style, etc.
Just one of those things. You're not purchasing a product. A human.
Both Philogene and Clarke excellent players. Suspect we will see them go on to do very well for town.
Just a shame it's not been easy instant impact. But that's life. |
I agree with all four patagraphs Jason.
Don’t know why you are getting downvoted voted. I guess Philogene and especially Clarke are top of the hate list. Certainly with my seat-neighbour. Even Clarke’s assist didn’t halt the criticism.
They are both very talented and I think have what it takes but just aren’t the finished article. They are playing the best players and at times it shows, as it does with a lot of the others. The club has bought potential. Just as Spurs have in Gray at the price of them both - and he struggled at times. |  | | |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:48 - Feb 22 with 2352 views | jasondozzell |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:34 - Feb 22 by Churchman |
I agree with all four patagraphs Jason.
Don’t know why you are getting downvoted voted. I guess Philogene and especially Clarke are top of the hate list. Certainly with my seat-neighbour. Even Clarke’s assist didn’t halt the criticism.
They are both very talented and I think have what it takes but just aren’t the finished article. They are playing the best players and at times it shows, as it does with a lot of the others. The club has bought potential. Just as Spurs have in Gray at the price of them both - and he struggled at times. |
Ta, Churchman. Completely agree. They are still young players. You're bang on about them being bought for potential. I think they will get there too, it just might take a bit of time.
Gray a great example. He's going to be a hell of a player but he's still learning the game too. | | | |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:55 - Feb 22 with 2301 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:34 - Feb 22 by Churchman |
I agree with all four patagraphs Jason.
Don’t know why you are getting downvoted voted. I guess Philogene and especially Clarke are top of the hate list. Certainly with my seat-neighbour. Even Clarke’s assist didn’t halt the criticism.
They are both very talented and I think have what it takes but just aren’t the finished article. They are playing the best players and at times it shows, as it does with a lot of the others. The club has bought potential. Just as Spurs have in Gray at the price of them both - and he struggled at times. |
Completely agree with both of you.
I just don’t get why some of our so-called fans need to vent their frustrations on one or other of our squad. Some have made it clear they’re not going to even give Jaden a chance due to the transfer saga. | | | |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:03 - Feb 22 with 2237 views | jasondozzell |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:55 - Feb 22 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Completely agree with both of you.
I just don’t get why some of our so-called fans need to vent their frustrations on one or other of our squad. Some have made it clear they’re not going to even give Jaden a chance due to the transfer saga. |
Yep. It's really poor. No problem in criticising players but people are writing them off entirely. People saying the recruitment has been terrible. It's not a video game! So much ignorance.
Philogene has literally been here for a few weeks!
We've begun to see Clarke's ability. I thought Philogene today made steps forward. Willing to run at players, great feet, beginning to link up. | | | |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:08 - Feb 22 with 2192 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:03 - Feb 22 by jasondozzell |
Yep. It's really poor. No problem in criticising players but people are writing them off entirely. People saying the recruitment has been terrible. It's not a video game! So much ignorance.
Philogene has literally been here for a few weeks!
We've begun to see Clarke's ability. I thought Philogene today made steps forward. Willing to run at players, great feet, beginning to link up. |
In two years really well know of its been terrible.
At the moment. Most of those frustrations I believe are made because those brought in were made to be quality replacements for those squad places they took.
Greaves over Burgess
Muric over hladky
Clarke over broadhead
Johnson and godfrey over H Clarke
Phillips over morsy
Cajuste over luongo and taylor
Philogene over I dunno who with this one lol
Oshea over Wolfenden
Theres questions marks on many so far. Greaves Burgess prime example.
It's short term frustration more than long term potential of the transfer | |
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| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:10 - Feb 22 with 2183 views | ITFCBlues |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 19:17 - Feb 22 by itfcsuth |
Omari has a bright future, a talented player - but should not be the one you rest your trust on week in week out in the PL - and there identifies part of the problem.
Jaden & J.Clarke no upgrades on Broadhead, for over £30m the pair you’d have hoped they would.
Recruitment has been really poor, it’s ultimately what will cost us this season. |
Recruitment hasn't been poor, as Coventry game showed. The thing our fans struggle to grasp is that 30m in today's day and age doesn't buy you ready made PL players unfortunately. |  |
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| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:11 - Feb 22 with 2166 views | jasondozzell |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:08 - Feb 22 by FrimleyBlue |
In two years really well know of its been terrible.
At the moment. Most of those frustrations I believe are made because those brought in were made to be quality replacements for those squad places they took.
Greaves over Burgess
Muric over hladky
Clarke over broadhead
Johnson and godfrey over H Clarke
Phillips over morsy
Cajuste over luongo and taylor
Philogene over I dunno who with this one lol
Oshea over Wolfenden
Theres questions marks on many so far. Greaves Burgess prime example.
It's short term frustration more than long term potential of the transfer |
I'm definitely sympathetic to the view that some of the league one /champ players deserved more time.
But I also think it's not necessarily bad recruitment even if we're funding the league a big challengein the league. I think that was inevitable.
Phillips, Cajuste, and O'Shea have been outstanding imo. | | | |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:15 - Feb 22 with 2140 views | ITFCBlues |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:11 - Feb 22 by jasondozzell |
I'm definitely sympathetic to the view that some of the league one /champ players deserved more time.
But I also think it's not necessarily bad recruitment even if we're funding the league a big challengein the league. I think that was inevitable.
Phillips, Cajuste, and O'Shea have been outstanding imo. |
Cajuste has done OK, I wouldn't say outstanding. He doesn't impact games a great deal. Hasn't scored and I don't recall any assists either? | |
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| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:33 - Feb 22 with 2052 views | TractorWood |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:03 - Feb 22 by jasondozzell |
Yep. It's really poor. No problem in criticising players but people are writing them off entirely. People saying the recruitment has been terrible. It's not a video game! So much ignorance.
Philogene has literally been here for a few weeks!
We've begun to see Clarke's ability. I thought Philogene today made steps forward. Willing to run at players, great feet, beginning to link up. |
Philogene is a bit different imo. We bought him for arguably a bad price off of Villa who publicly said he's not up to much. The agent shenanigans and turning us down in the summer have given people very little patience with him.
Personally, I don't think he's up to much at all. I've seen him half a dozen times maybe. He has mostly looked lost, like Clarke.
Omari is just miles ahead of both and he, in reality drifts in and out of Prem games. The standard is ridiculously high in the Prem. I think Omari will make it but seen no signs the other two will.
Re OP I agree. We can't carry players learning on the job. We are being punished for it most weeks. |  |
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| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:43 - Feb 22 with 1971 views | Nutkins_Return |
Philogene and hopefully Clarke will be the future of the club. They are young, talented and hungry. Omari may go in the summer but I hope we get another year of him at least.
Top quality potential. It's been a challenge too far this season but I'm so glad we've got down the route of young talent rather than staring relegation down with Vardy (38), De Cordova Reid (32 and on 3 year deal), Ayew (33) etc.
I'm not worried about them at all. They will be fantastic in the champ and in another 12+ months they will be more ready for the Prem.
I'm more worried about the CM rebuild. So important we get the right players in there who can have. A chance in the Prem when we go up again! | |
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| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:46 - Feb 22 with 1949 views | jasondozzell |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:33 - Feb 22 by TractorWood |
Philogene is a bit different imo. We bought him for arguably a bad price off of Villa who publicly said he's not up to much. The agent shenanigans and turning us down in the summer have given people very little patience with him.
Personally, I don't think he's up to much at all. I've seen him half a dozen times maybe. He has mostly looked lost, like Clarke.
Omari is just miles ahead of both and he, in reality drifts in and out of Prem games. The standard is ridiculously high in the Prem. I think Omari will make it but seen no signs the other two will.
Re OP I agree. We can't carry players learning on the job. We are being punished for it most weeks. |
Remenber Omari when he joined? He wasn't the Omari you're talking about now. I remember his debut at Col U friendly and he looked like all the tricks but no end product, awareness or understanding of how to press. It took time for him to become who he is.
Players improve. Especially young players adjusting to the level and learning.
Villa did not say he's rubbish! Just they are on a very different level in terms of players and immediate impact.
Philogene is improving each game. He showed more of that he's about today.
You don't go to Villa, get signed for 20m if you're not a seriously talented player. It's just that the level at this stage of the game is so high that it requires a lot from even the most talented to make their mark.
Agent shenanigans may have nothing to do with Philogene himself.
If we can't carry players learning on the job, we'd never have kept Omari. | | | |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 21:03 - Feb 22 with 1907 views | pointofblue |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:43 - Feb 22 by Nutkins_Return |
Philogene and hopefully Clarke will be the future of the club. They are young, talented and hungry. Omari may go in the summer but I hope we get another year of him at least.
Top quality potential. It's been a challenge too far this season but I'm so glad we've got down the route of young talent rather than staring relegation down with Vardy (38), De Cordova Reid (32 and on 3 year deal), Ayew (33) etc.
I'm not worried about them at all. They will be fantastic in the champ and in another 12+ months they will be more ready for the Prem.
I'm more worried about the CM rebuild. So important we get the right players in there who can have. A chance in the Prem when we go up again! |
I think Morsy, Taylor and Humphreys could make an impact in the Championship next season. It might be one year too much for Luongo. We'll need to replace both Cajuste and Phillips. | |
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| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 21:05 - Feb 22 with 1894 views | TractorWood |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:46 - Feb 22 by jasondozzell |
Remenber Omari when he joined? He wasn't the Omari you're talking about now. I remember his debut at Col U friendly and he looked like all the tricks but no end product, awareness or understanding of how to press. It took time for him to become who he is.
Players improve. Especially young players adjusting to the level and learning.
Villa did not say he's rubbish! Just they are on a very different level in terms of players and immediate impact.
Philogene is improving each game. He showed more of that he's about today.
You don't go to Villa, get signed for 20m if you're not a seriously talented player. It's just that the level at this stage of the game is so high that it requires a lot from even the most talented to make their mark.
Agent shenanigans may have nothing to do with Philogene himself.
If we can't carry players learning on the job, we'd never have kept Omari. |
I thought Omari looked great and I was one of the people begging him to start very early. Just has that incredible directness and guile. He adapted quickly to actually playing league football.
Villa said Philogene wasn't where they want him and shipped him out for a profit. He wanted to leave instead of staying to battle for a place at a club that feels like it's going places. I think we've been played. Again just my opinion.
I think we are likely going down for having too many expensive championship players learning on the job. Enciso and Cajuste look good enough when not injured. We are paying the price for having virtually no scouting infrastructure. | |
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| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 21:45 - Feb 22 with 1682 views | Churchman |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 21:05 - Feb 22 by TractorWood |
I thought Omari looked great and I was one of the people begging him to start very early. Just has that incredible directness and guile. He adapted quickly to actually playing league football.
Villa said Philogene wasn't where they want him and shipped him out for a profit. He wanted to leave instead of staying to battle for a place at a club that feels like it's going places. I think we've been played. Again just my opinion.
I think we are likely going down for having too many expensive championship players learning on the job. Enciso and Cajuste look good enough when not injured. We are paying the price for having virtually no scouting infrastructure. |
Been played? You don’t actually know that. Nobody knows what happened with Philogene and Villa and I still think people are struggling with just how astronomic prices and costs are in the Premier League.
Hutchinson is developing rapidly, but he’s still get lost in the 10 role at times, had the ball pinched off him and made poor choices. Just as you’d in 18 months where he’s gone from a substitute ‘hope he settles down and offers something’ at the start of the season player to where he is now.
I guess the hatred of Philogene stems from the transfer saga so with our wonderful fans he’s going to have to go some to be accepted. I thought he did alright at times. Immensely talented as is Clarke (who made the goal btw).
Did they give the ball away too much?. Yes. They all did. Delap did too and made wrong choices at times - just as you’d expect young players to do. But it wasn’t their fault we were 2-0 down and actually two of them got us back in the game.
The concern ought to be midfield. I thought Phillips looked the part for a while today. But he still lost control of the ball too much and is injured again. I know it’s not his fault but not being able to play week in week out for whatever reason has really hurt us. Same with Cajuste who is immensely talented, but doesn’t really control games and can’t last 90 mins. Midfield has been the Achilles heel.
Defensively, for various reasons we never seem to play a settled back line. Partly injury, partly squad swapping, but it hasn’t helped us.
When all said and done, we are short of what’s needed to really compete in this division. Other teams just look bigger, stronger and more clinical. They rarely give the ball away cheaply and know how to use the dark arts too.
At times it feels like we are close, but for all sorts of reasons, not close enough. | | | |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 23:54 - Feb 22 with 1433 views | reusersfreekicks |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 20:08 - Feb 22 by FrimleyBlue |
In two years really well know of its been terrible.
At the moment. Most of those frustrations I believe are made because those brought in were made to be quality replacements for those squad places they took.
Greaves over Burgess
Muric over hladky
Clarke over broadhead
Johnson and godfrey over H Clarke
Phillips over morsy
Cajuste over luongo and taylor
Philogene over I dunno who with this one lol
Oshea over Wolfenden
Theres questions marks on many so far. Greaves Burgess prime example.
It's short term frustration more than long term potential of the transfer |
Agreed and maybe they have displaced them without question but also without any discernible upgrade in many cases [Post edited 23 Feb 0:10]
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| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 00:17 - Feb 23 with 1368 views | vinceg |
| We as a team cannot carry Philogene, Omari and Clarke on 21:03 - Feb 22 by pointofblue |
I think Morsy, Taylor and Humphreys could make an impact in the Championship next season. It might be one year too much for Luongo. We'll need to replace both Cajuste and Phillips. |
Morsy's race is run I'm afraid, as is Luongo's. Taylor is OK and Humphreys could be a real star if he gets a good run in the team, but we need a ball-winning thug in CM, like Morsy used to be. Can't get near anyone to get booked in the Prem |  | | |
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