| Proud of our RAF 09:11 - Apr 14 with 31257 views | BloomBlue |
Once again you did your role with honour and professionalism. Being part of you when I first left school was the best part of my life. Fantastic job. |  | | |  |
| Proud of our RAF on 16:51 - Apr 15 with 2826 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Proud of our RAF on 16:48 - Apr 15 by J2BLUE |
Just to be clear, you don't mean me right? |
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I look at you as a cooking and drinking Antichrist. |  |
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| Proud of our RAF on 16:51 - Apr 15 with 2819 views | LeoMuff |
| Proud of our RAF on 16:45 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
And whatever some people say they are prepared to get shot and killed for their country and its subjects.
What war they are fighting isn't really an issue, they cannot pick and choose. Regardless of people feelings on conflicts I find it remarkable that people can criticise the armed forces.
In my opinion anyone that has signed up and are prepared to die for you and I are heroes. There, I've said it. Shoot me. |
“They cannot pick and choose” are we back to press ganging again then ? |  |
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| Proud of our RAF on 16:56 - Apr 15 with 2810 views | J2BLUE |
| Proud of our RAF on 16:51 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
No
I look at you as a cooking and drinking Antichrist. |
That's good. I have my issues with some military stuff like every soldier is a hero (you disagree, fair enough) but I have plenty of respect and gratitude for anyone signing up. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 16:56 - Apr 15 with 2810 views | m14_blue |
| Proud of our RAF on 16:45 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
And whatever some people say they are prepared to get shot and killed for their country and its subjects.
What war they are fighting isn't really an issue, they cannot pick and choose. Regardless of people feelings on conflicts I find it remarkable that people can criticise the armed forces.
In my opinion anyone that has signed up and are prepared to die for you and I are heroes. There, I've said it. Shoot me. |
I have the utmost respect for our armed forces who, quite frankly, do a job that I wouldn't have the bottle to do. I'm very grateful to them, regardless of the rights and wrongs of their political leaders.
I do find the whole 'heroes' cult rather Americanised and uncomfortable though. They are people and, like in every walk of life, where there are thousands of people some of them will be total a***holes. There, I said it. Shoot me.
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| Proud of our RAF on 16:57 - Apr 15 with 2798 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Proud of our RAF on 16:45 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
And whatever some people say they are prepared to get shot and killed for their country and its subjects.
What war they are fighting isn't really an issue, they cannot pick and choose. Regardless of people feelings on conflicts I find it remarkable that people can criticise the armed forces.
In my opinion anyone that has signed up and are prepared to die for you and I are heroes. There, I've said it. Shoot me. |
But as you have pointed out if say they were sent in to Syria at the moment they wouldn't be dying for you as you would disagree with the venture......unless I am missing something. Would you support a soldier's right to refuse to serve in a campaign they rejected? Most of the ex squaddies I have met have thoroughly regretted their decision to 'serve' (mostly these have been putting back the pieces on hippy traveler sites though, so probably not surprising.) |  |
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| Proud of our RAF on 16:58 - Apr 15 with 2800 views | NewcyBlue |
| Proud of our RAF on 16:41 - Apr 15 by Swailsey |
These threads always out bellends. I love it. |
Unfortunately everything seems to black and white these days. No middle ground.
Hence why threads end up getting pulled or posts deleted as regularly as they do. |  |
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| Proud of our RAF on 17:01 - Apr 15 with 2784 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Proud of our RAF on 16:57 - Apr 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
But as you have pointed out if say they were sent in to Syria at the moment they wouldn't be dying for you as you would disagree with the venture......unless I am missing something. Would you support a soldier's right to refuse to serve in a campaign they rejected? Most of the ex squaddies I have met have thoroughly regretted their decision to 'serve' (mostly these have been putting back the pieces on hippy traveler sites though, so probably not surprising.) |
No, I wouldn't accept a soldier to refuse, it would result in chaos.
The few ex armed forces I know all think it was the best time of their lives - without exception. | |
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| Proud of our RAF on 17:02 - Apr 15 with 2779 views | tractordownsouth |
| Proud of our RAF on 14:23 - Apr 15 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
What utter pish. Maybe you should go and find a safe space for your masked hooded antifa anti democracy BS. Capitalism pays the bills and despite what Mr Corbyn tells you not everything is free kids! |
I love you for all the wrong reasons |  |
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| Proud of our RAF on 17:04 - Apr 15 with 2764 views | noggin |
| Proud of our RAF on 17:01 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
No, I wouldn't accept a soldier to refuse, it would result in chaos.
The few ex armed forces I know all think it was the best time of their lives - without exception. |
I had a great time but I wouldn't do it again, for political reasons. I was very naive then. |  |
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| Proud of our RAF on 17:04 - Apr 15 with 2764 views | Ryorry |
| Proud of our RAF on 16:28 - Apr 15 by brogansnose |
For some people the forces 'works' and they 'fit' in a way that they wouldn't in civvies. Some like the structure that the life gives them that they possibly haven't had in family life or it just didn't work out at school. In short it made them fit into society and give them a focus and trade which they wouldn't have had any other way. In a sense it was their university. The whole presumption that these people are psychopaths and dumb order following automatons is bollucks. Like you intimate Newcy, these people have got more chance of a trade from the forces than in civilian life. |
And whatever some politicians say about the unemployment/employment figures, for some people, esp in some parts of the country, the armed forces are the only job offer they can get. |  |
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| Proud of our RAF on 17:06 - Apr 15 with 2752 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Proud of our RAF on 17:01 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
No, I wouldn't accept a soldier to refuse, it would result in chaos.
The few ex armed forces I know all think it was the best time of their lives - without exception. |
Fair enough....what about the first bit, would you consider them to be "dying for you and I."
Edit....I would imagine the ex services that don't feel that way are more in the shadows/margins of society. (In fact not imagine as this is the case with the ones I know) [Post edited 15 Apr 2018 17:10]
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| Proud of our RAF on 17:13 - Apr 15 with 2724 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Proud of our RAF on 17:04 - Apr 15 by Ryorry |
And whatever some politicians say about the unemployment/employment figures, for some people, esp in some parts of the country, the armed forces are the only job offer they can get. |
Which is the problem....cannon fodder? | |
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| Proud of our RAF on 17:20 - Apr 15 with 2716 views | Ryorry |
| Proud of our RAF on 17:13 - Apr 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Which is the problem....cannon fodder? |
Wouldn't disagree re people for whom there's no real alternative choice. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 17:22 - Apr 15 with 2708 views | Lord_Lucan |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 16:56 - Apr 15 by m14_blue |
I have the utmost respect for our armed forces who, quite frankly, do a job that I wouldn't have the bottle to do. I'm very grateful to them, regardless of the rights and wrongs of their political leaders.
I do find the whole 'heroes' cult rather Americanised and uncomfortable though. They are people and, like in every walk of life, where there are thousands of people some of them will be total a***holes. There, I said it. Shoot me.
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I wouldn't go round saying "Thank you for your service" and all that like the Yanks do but they do a job that you or I wouldn't do. My Dad was a military man and I considered it for a very short time until I saw a program on The Paras and I thought feck that.
Ex servicemen are rather disregarded over here which is plain wrong. The amount that are locked up or homeless is a scandal. | |
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| Proud of our RAF on 17:26 - Apr 15 with 2688 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Proud of our RAF on 17:20 - Apr 15 by Ryorry |
Wouldn't disagree re people for whom there's no real alternative choice. |
Still think this old punk anthem isn't far wrong!
From the Cradle to the Grave
Subhumans
Well they took you from your mother's womb and put you in a school
Told you how to run your life by following the rules
Told you not to pick your nose or disrespect the queen
Scrub your teeth three times a day keep mind and body clean
Save up all your pocket money, nothing is for free
And you'd better trust your parents 'cause there's no one else you see
And then they send you off each day remember what you're told
"You may think you don't need teaching but you'll need it when you're old"
And if you're too intelligent they'll cut you down to size
They'll praise you til you're happy then they'll fill you full of lies
'Cause intelligence is threatening and genius is sin
If you could ever see through them they know they'd never win
So they channel your ability into the right direction
If you're good enough and rich enough you can be a politician
On the other hand if your too thick they'll tell you that you're lazy
They'll put you down and wind you up until it drives you crazy
They'll say you ought to learn a trade to help you in your life
Success is written in three parts: A job, a house, a wife
They'll say that school prepares you for the awesome world outside
Well it certainly gives you bigotry and patriotic pride
Racism, sexism teacher to class
From school to work remains the same, are you white and middle class?
You'll learn that bad men dress in black and good men dress in white
And the pamphlets in the playground say that's right
And that girls were made for housework and boys were made to fight
And the naughty pictures on page 3 make everything alright
And so from school to the outside world these morals you will take
And unless you can reject them you'll have your mind at stake
They'll give you a decision when you get to 18, too
The right to vote for someone else who says he cares for you
But the only thing he cares about is getting to the top
By conning you with empty words that promise you a lot
But the end result is slavery to a false set of ideals
You'll be tempted to believe them 'cause they'll seem so very real
The slavery of attitudes that make you keep in line
Subconsciously devoted to the morals of our time
And when you end up on the dole which you very likely will
They'll offer you a brand new trade: Learning how to kill
Why don't you join the army? Be a man and not a fool
There's someone else to think for you just like there was at school
They'll promise you absolution from the murders you'll commit
In the name of god and country they can get away with it
They fill you full of orders and promise you rewards
Like busting up your family by sending you abroad
A holiday in Germany or Iceland or Hong Kong
Making money being useless well it seems it can't go wrong
But then it's off to Northern Ireland where you'll practice what they preached
You'll shoot to keep yourself alive and kill to keep the peace
And then it won't be so much fun as you hear the wounded crying
'cause before they couldn't speak English and you didn't know what they were saying
But when the children call you "Bastard" it will make you think again
When you cannot tell the difference between animals and men
Animals don't wear uniforms but they kill as much as you
But the army kills for money and animals kill for food
It's the basest degradation in the name of what is right
Become something you never were and regret it til you die
'cause your father will tell you "Sonny, you must do as you are told"
And you'll say the same thing to your kids when you're 32 years old
And unless you can react against the brainwash from the start
Your government will rule your mind and your mind will rule your heart
You'll conform to every social law and be the system's slave
From birth to school to work to death, from the cradle to the grave
Songwriters: Marc Beeson / Rick Bowles | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 17:27 - Apr 15 with 2678 views | m14_blue |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 17:22 - Apr 15 by Lord_Lucan |
I wouldn't go round saying "Thank you for your service" and all that like the Yanks do but they do a job that you or I wouldn't do. My Dad was a military man and I considered it for a very short time until I saw a program on The Paras and I thought feck that.
Ex servicemen are rather disregarded over here which is plain wrong. The amount that are locked up or homeless is a scandal. |
Totally agree with the first paragraph.
No idea if the second paragraph is true but, if it is, I agree it's a scandal. | | | |
| Proud of our RAF on 17:30 - Apr 15 with 2667 views | footers |
| Proud of our RAF on 17:26 - Apr 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Still think this old punk anthem isn't far wrong!
From the Cradle to the Grave
Subhumans
Well they took you from your mother's womb and put you in a school
Told you how to run your life by following the rules
Told you not to pick your nose or disrespect the queen
Scrub your teeth three times a day keep mind and body clean
Save up all your pocket money, nothing is for free
And you'd better trust your parents 'cause there's no one else you see
And then they send you off each day remember what you're told
"You may think you don't need teaching but you'll need it when you're old"
And if you're too intelligent they'll cut you down to size
They'll praise you til you're happy then they'll fill you full of lies
'Cause intelligence is threatening and genius is sin
If you could ever see through them they know they'd never win
So they channel your ability into the right direction
If you're good enough and rich enough you can be a politician
On the other hand if your too thick they'll tell you that you're lazy
They'll put you down and wind you up until it drives you crazy
They'll say you ought to learn a trade to help you in your life
Success is written in three parts: A job, a house, a wife
They'll say that school prepares you for the awesome world outside
Well it certainly gives you bigotry and patriotic pride
Racism, sexism teacher to class
From school to work remains the same, are you white and middle class?
You'll learn that bad men dress in black and good men dress in white
And the pamphlets in the playground say that's right
And that girls were made for housework and boys were made to fight
And the naughty pictures on page 3 make everything alright
And so from school to the outside world these morals you will take
And unless you can reject them you'll have your mind at stake
They'll give you a decision when you get to 18, too
The right to vote for someone else who says he cares for you
But the only thing he cares about is getting to the top
By conning you with empty words that promise you a lot
But the end result is slavery to a false set of ideals
You'll be tempted to believe them 'cause they'll seem so very real
The slavery of attitudes that make you keep in line
Subconsciously devoted to the morals of our time
And when you end up on the dole which you very likely will
They'll offer you a brand new trade: Learning how to kill
Why don't you join the army? Be a man and not a fool
There's someone else to think for you just like there was at school
They'll promise you absolution from the murders you'll commit
In the name of god and country they can get away with it
They fill you full of orders and promise you rewards
Like busting up your family by sending you abroad
A holiday in Germany or Iceland or Hong Kong
Making money being useless well it seems it can't go wrong
But then it's off to Northern Ireland where you'll practice what they preached
You'll shoot to keep yourself alive and kill to keep the peace
And then it won't be so much fun as you hear the wounded crying
'cause before they couldn't speak English and you didn't know what they were saying
But when the children call you "Bastard" it will make you think again
When you cannot tell the difference between animals and men
Animals don't wear uniforms but they kill as much as you
But the army kills for money and animals kill for food
It's the basest degradation in the name of what is right
Become something you never were and regret it til you die
'cause your father will tell you "Sonny, you must do as you are told"
And you'll say the same thing to your kids when you're 32 years old
And unless you can react against the brainwash from the start
Your government will rule your mind and your mind will rule your heart
You'll conform to every social law and be the system's slave
From birth to school to work to death, from the cradle to the grave
Songwriters: Marc Beeson / Rick Bowles |
Top tune. The Canadian Subhumans can't even come close! |  |
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| Proud of our RAF on 17:41 - Apr 15 with 2634 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Proud of our RAF on 17:30 - Apr 15 by footers |
Top tune. The Canadian Subhumans can't even come close! |
Used to spend a fair bit of time in their living room in Warminster (ironic!)......halycon days! | |
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| Proud of our RAF on 17:44 - Apr 15 with 2632 views | monytowbray |
| Proud of our RAF on 15:56 - Apr 15 by NewcyBlue |
“Some of the Navy lads”
Can’t believe I am repeating myself, but ok.
There are medica, analysts, linguists, logistics, many, many trades in the Armed Forces. |
The key word there was "some". I am not making generalisations. I was consciously selective with that word. |  |
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| Proud of our RAF on 17:46 - Apr 15 with 2625 views | monytowbray |
| Proud of our RAF on 16:56 - Apr 15 by J2BLUE |
That's good. I have my issues with some military stuff like every soldier is a hero (you disagree, fair enough) but I have plenty of respect and gratitude for anyone signing up. |
I respect anyone for doing any job, work is work. But I don't feel anyone who walks past me in a uniform is some kind of beacon of greatness simply because they signed up to that particular job. Actions make people heroes, not being where the action is. Brave? Certainly? Taking a risk? Deffo. I'd say both of those things are true for those who serve, but I wouldn't call anyone a hero for joining alone. | |
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| Proud of our RAF on 17:53 - Apr 15 with 2606 views | J2BLUE |
| Proud of our RAF on 17:46 - Apr 15 by monytowbray |
I respect anyone for doing any job, work is work. But I don't feel anyone who walks past me in a uniform is some kind of beacon of greatness simply because they signed up to that particular job. Actions make people heroes, not being where the action is. Brave? Certainly? Taking a risk? Deffo. I'd say both of those things are true for those who serve, but I wouldn't call anyone a hero for joining alone. |
Agree with all that. | |
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| Proud of our RAF on 17:56 - Apr 15 with 2596 views | monytowbray |
| Proud of our RAF on 17:53 - Apr 15 by J2BLUE |
Agree with all that. |
I'd call Alan Turing a hero and not for signing up to the front line or serving. In return the government chemically destroyed his balls for being gay.
Rule Britannia! | |
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| Proud of our RAF on 18:16 - Apr 15 with 2573 views | brogansnose |
| Proud of our RAF on 17:04 - Apr 15 by Ryorry |
And whatever some politicians say about the unemployment/employment figures, for some people, esp in some parts of the country, the armed forces are the only job offer they can get. |
I remember getting the train up to Leeds at the time of Iraq 2 and there was a lot of boys, and I mean boys, going up to Catterick and I was thinking whats going to happen to all of you.
I deplore the glamourisation of war and jingoism but the ones who deserve stick are the chuffin politicians and in many ways the media. Let's not forget that most of the time the forces are helping to make it safe for girls to go to school in Afghanistan , Malala anyone, guarding aid convoys getting through and fishing refugees out of the Med. There's a bigger picture to look at here and fingers need to be pointed in the right direction. |  | | |
| Proud of our RAF on 18:39 - Apr 15 with 2545 views | jimmyvet |
| Proud of our RAF on 17:56 - Apr 15 by monytowbray |
I'd call Alan Turing a hero and not for signing up to the front line or serving. In return the government chemically destroyed his balls for being gay.
Rule Britannia! |
Something that thankfully is confined to the history books unless of course you live in Iran or certain other states where that type of disgusting behaviour is still encouraged and tolerated. | | | |
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