| Poppy watch update 18:46 - Nov 9 with 6040 views | Dubtractor |
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| splutter! on 18:59 - Nov 9 with 3616 views | Dyland |
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| Poppy watch update on 19:06 - Nov 9 with 3601 views | WicklowBlue |
Was listening to Off the Ball on Newstalk this pm driving home from being dragged around the shops. They went on a rant on this very subject and how it was descending into crassness. There was a suggestion that Refs had poppy shaped cards. 😉
Not meaning to be disrespectful at all, just the commercialisation is nuts. |  | | |
| Poppy watch update on 19:09 - Nov 9 with 3590 views | factual_blue |
| Poppy watch update on 19:06 - Nov 9 by WicklowBlue |
Was listening to Off the Ball on Newstalk this pm driving home from being dragged around the shops. They went on a rant on this very subject and how it was descending into crassness. There was a suggestion that Refs had poppy shaped cards. 😉
Not meaning to be disrespectful at all, just the commercialisation is nuts. |
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/07/memorialising-war-first-wo
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| Poppy watch update on 19:24 - Nov 9 with 3549 views | BackToRussia |
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| Poppy watch update on 19:56 - Nov 9 with 3491 views | BLUEBEAT |
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| Poppy watch update on 20:00 - Nov 9 with 3487 views | m14_blue |
Poppy fetishism is completely out of control, in a few years time remembrance day will be more like Halloween than anything else.
The bigger and more gaudy the poppy, the less the person wearing it understands about its importance.
This should be a time of solemn reflection, not a contest to see who cares most. |  | | |
| Poppy watch update on 20:02 - Nov 9 with 3481 views | Mullet |
| Poppy watch update on 20:00 - Nov 9 by m14_blue |
Poppy fetishism is completely out of control, in a few years time remembrance day will be more like Halloween than anything else.
The bigger and more gaudy the poppy, the less the person wearing it understands about its importance.
This should be a time of solemn reflection, not a contest to see who cares most. |
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| Poppy watch update on 20:05 - Nov 9 with 3449 views | m14_blue |
| Poppy watch update on 20:02 - Nov 9 by Mullet |
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Can you imagine what those poor lads in the trenches would make of that idiot? | | | |
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| Poppy watch update on 02:27 - Nov 10 with 3319 views | factual_blue |
| Poppy watch update on 20:02 - Nov 9 by Mullet |
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It's a hideous, obscene caricature of waste and sheer awfulness of war. It is sobering to read about the young paratroopers at Arnhem who killed themselves because of the unbearable terror of that mad battle. What the romanticisers don't know or don't like to admit is that during that battle much of !st Airborne Brigade at Arnhem had virtually no sleep and very little food for the entire 9-10 days of the action. They were kept awake with Benzedrine, suffering hallucinations and screaming fits. The sheer terror of the constant bombardment drove many to the point of madness.
To think it was all a noble fight is stupid. Even reading well-researched modern histories can't take any of us near the utter dreadfulness of it all.
People didn't 'lay down their lives', which sounds noble, almost gentle. They were blown apart, burnt to death, or died slowly from agonising wounds.
It's time we started to think about moving on, and not be the deluded prisoners of our 'noble' past. We don't, and never will, understand or empathise with what happened to these men. | |
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| Poppy watch update on 07:15 - Nov 10 with 3234 views | Churchman |
| Poppy watch update on 02:27 - Nov 10 by factual_blue |
It's a hideous, obscene caricature of waste and sheer awfulness of war. It is sobering to read about the young paratroopers at Arnhem who killed themselves because of the unbearable terror of that mad battle. What the romanticisers don't know or don't like to admit is that during that battle much of !st Airborne Brigade at Arnhem had virtually no sleep and very little food for the entire 9-10 days of the action. They were kept awake with Benzedrine, suffering hallucinations and screaming fits. The sheer terror of the constant bombardment drove many to the point of madness.
To think it was all a noble fight is stupid. Even reading well-researched modern histories can't take any of us near the utter dreadfulness of it all.
People didn't 'lay down their lives', which sounds noble, almost gentle. They were blown apart, burnt to death, or died slowly from agonising wounds.
It's time we started to think about moving on, and not be the deluded prisoners of our 'noble' past. We don't, and never will, understand or empathise with what happened to these men. |
What do you mean ‘think about moving on’ exactly? Just curious. |  | | |
| Poppy watch update on 09:07 - Nov 10 with 3182 views | Guthrum |
| Poppy watch update on 02:27 - Nov 10 by factual_blue |
It's a hideous, obscene caricature of waste and sheer awfulness of war. It is sobering to read about the young paratroopers at Arnhem who killed themselves because of the unbearable terror of that mad battle. What the romanticisers don't know or don't like to admit is that during that battle much of !st Airborne Brigade at Arnhem had virtually no sleep and very little food for the entire 9-10 days of the action. They were kept awake with Benzedrine, suffering hallucinations and screaming fits. The sheer terror of the constant bombardment drove many to the point of madness.
To think it was all a noble fight is stupid. Even reading well-researched modern histories can't take any of us near the utter dreadfulness of it all.
People didn't 'lay down their lives', which sounds noble, almost gentle. They were blown apart, burnt to death, or died slowly from agonising wounds.
It's time we started to think about moving on, and not be the deluded prisoners of our 'noble' past. We don't, and never will, understand or empathise with what happened to these men. |
The really sad thing about all this is that the poppy was originally taken as a symbol of their loss by widows of those who had died, then it became used as a means to aid those suffering from the effects of their wounds. Patriotism didn't come into it. |  |
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| Poppy watch update on 09:15 - Nov 10 with 3155 views | Mullet |
| Poppy watch update on 02:27 - Nov 10 by factual_blue |
It's a hideous, obscene caricature of waste and sheer awfulness of war. It is sobering to read about the young paratroopers at Arnhem who killed themselves because of the unbearable terror of that mad battle. What the romanticisers don't know or don't like to admit is that during that battle much of !st Airborne Brigade at Arnhem had virtually no sleep and very little food for the entire 9-10 days of the action. They were kept awake with Benzedrine, suffering hallucinations and screaming fits. The sheer terror of the constant bombardment drove many to the point of madness.
To think it was all a noble fight is stupid. Even reading well-researched modern histories can't take any of us near the utter dreadfulness of it all.
People didn't 'lay down their lives', which sounds noble, almost gentle. They were blown apart, burnt to death, or died slowly from agonising wounds.
It's time we started to think about moving on, and not be the deluded prisoners of our 'noble' past. We don't, and never will, understand or empathise with what happened to these men. |
My great uncle shot himself in Italy (if I remember rightly). We were never told he existed until a couple of years before my Nan's death. I don't know if it's an existing British trait that made it shameful, or evidence that stuff like this has always existed. That it's considered less weird to pervert the war memory and celebrate it instead like this.
However, I've always felt that out of the many men in my family who fought and died or lived much shorter lives because of it, his story is now pretty much lost.
I find what that bloke has done gaudy, and makes him look really odd, but I wonder if the Poppy Olympics has been competed in for as long as there's been poppies. | |
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| Poppy watch update on 09:24 - Nov 10 with 3134 views | WD19 |
| Poppy watch update on 09:07 - Nov 10 by Guthrum |
The really sad thing about all this is that the poppy was originally taken as a symbol of their loss by widows of those who had died, then it became used as a means to aid those suffering from the effects of their wounds. Patriotism didn't come into it. |
Quite. ‘Moving on’ as Facters put it is the absolutely last thing that we should be doing. What we need to do is actually be ‘going back’ to the core purpose. Ensuring that we learn from the past by making damn sure future generations understand what others had to endure. It’s not a military parade, it’s solemn remembrance that war is grim and not to be entered into lightly. It’s not a PlayStation game or willy waving competition. We should be reflecting on the reality ‘Facters’ described as previous generations would have. Not ‘moving on’ at all. |  | | |
| Poppy watch update on 10:38 - Nov 10 with 3074 views | clive_baker |
Someone just sent me something on their twitter feed. A poppy neckerchief on a dog ffs.
The whole retail sabotage of Remembrance Day is so crass, but I don’t judge the retailers, I judge the pollocks who are buying it. |  |
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| Poppy watch update on 11:00 - Nov 10 with 3059 views | factual_blue |
| Poppy watch update on 09:24 - Nov 10 by WD19 |
Quite. ‘Moving on’ as Facters put it is the absolutely last thing that we should be doing. What we need to do is actually be ‘going back’ to the core purpose. Ensuring that we learn from the past by making damn sure future generations understand what others had to endure. It’s not a military parade, it’s solemn remembrance that war is grim and not to be entered into lightly. It’s not a PlayStation game or willy waving competition. We should be reflecting on the reality ‘Facters’ described as previous generations would have. Not ‘moving on’ at all. |
What I meant was if the hideous caricature of 'remembrance' is what we now have, we need to move on from that. Much as I agree with what you say, trying to refocus on the original purpose is going to be well-near impossible.
What we have now isn't really remembrance at all.
Now, I have a pie to eat if you'll excuse me. | |
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| Poppy watch update on 12:30 - Nov 10 with 2977 views | Plums |
| Poppy watch update on 10:38 - Nov 10 by clive_baker |
Someone just sent me something on their twitter feed. A poppy neckerchief on a dog ffs.
The whole retail sabotage of Remembrance Day is so crass, but I don’t judge the retailers, I judge the pollocks who are buying it. |
I’ve just come back from a remembrance service where my daughter was parading (I don’t do religion but I do do respect). After seeing the numbers drop year on year (I’m not talking about the vets - their deduction in numbers is very sobering), it struck me that what people are doing is buying sh*t and displaying it prominently in lieu of actually taking part in any kind of community activity or taking time to reflect on what any of this means.
It’s a really sad reflection of modern society. |  |
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| Poppy watch update on 17:04 - Nov 10 with 2823 views | J2BLUE |
| Poppy watch update on 12:30 - Nov 10 by Plums |
I’ve just come back from a remembrance service where my daughter was parading (I don’t do religion but I do do respect). After seeing the numbers drop year on year (I’m not talking about the vets - their deduction in numbers is very sobering), it struck me that what people are doing is buying sh*t and displaying it prominently in lieu of actually taking part in any kind of community activity or taking time to reflect on what any of this means.
It’s a really sad reflection of modern society. |
Someone forwarded my mum a picture of a poppy with the caption 'don't let the poppy die, forward this on'. What the actual f**k? It would be better to put £1 in the charity box rather than the meaningless and pointless forwarding of a picture. |  |
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| Poppy watch update on 17:13 - Nov 10 with 2807 views | Swansea_Blue |
“The ultimate remembrance absurdity was the 2004 erection” 
I’ve never stuck a poppy on that. |  |
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| Poppy watch update on 17:17 - Nov 10 with 2800 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Poppy watch update on 12:30 - Nov 10 by Plums |
I’ve just come back from a remembrance service where my daughter was parading (I don’t do religion but I do do respect). After seeing the numbers drop year on year (I’m not talking about the vets - their deduction in numbers is very sobering), it struck me that what people are doing is buying sh*t and displaying it prominently in lieu of actually taking part in any kind of community activity or taking time to reflect on what any of this means.
It’s a really sad reflection of modern society. |
Nailed it. Let’s see how outrageously crass with our faux patriotism we can be for our social media feeds, but gloriously miss the whole point of remembrance. It should be a time for quite reflection. | |
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| Poppy watch update on 17:26 - Nov 10 with 2778 views | GaryCooper |
It is demeaning and illustrates the dumbing down of British life perfectly. |  | | |
| Poppy watch update on 18:39 - Nov 10 with 2717 views | Churchman |
| Poppy watch update on 11:00 - Nov 10 by factual_blue |
What I meant was if the hideous caricature of 'remembrance' is what we now have, we need to move on from that. Much as I agree with what you say, trying to refocus on the original purpose is going to be well-near impossible.
What we have now isn't really remembrance at all.
Now, I have a pie to eat if you'll excuse me. |
If you’ve finished your pie, I’d be interested in what you mean by ‘hideous caricature of remembrance’? I’d like to know, having been on Horse Guards today. [Post edited 10 Nov 2019 18:40]
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| Poppy watch update on 19:19 - Nov 10 with 2661 views | jeera |
That's just vile. |  |
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| Poppy watch update on 19:29 - Nov 10 with 2629 views | jeera |
| Poppy watch update on 18:39 - Nov 10 by Churchman |
If you’ve finished your pie, I’d be interested in what you mean by ‘hideous caricature of remembrance’? I’d like to know, having been on Horse Guards today. [Post edited 10 Nov 2019 18:40]
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I think it's pretty clear he's referring to the elaborate displays that miss the point of remembrance, such as shown there in the OP.
Hope today went well and received the reception it deserves. | |
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| Poppy watch update on 19:43 - Nov 10 with 2587 views | monytowbray |
Said it in another thread, but the far right hijacking the poppy to promote fascism is the worst thing that could have happened.
Lots of nationalities fought in the two WWs, the second one being against one of the greatest evils in living memory that could have existed. Since when has the poppy been about being British and proud? F*ck off back to your crap bulldog tattoos and painting tacky red crosses on your garage if you think being sh1t out at random on a piece of land is an achievement you should be proud of. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 19:43 - Nov 10 with 2582 views | monytowbray |
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