| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault 23:43 - Feb 8 with 25768 views | kizaitfc |
Needs to look over the last 15 years |  |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:22 - Feb 10 with 2243 views | r2d2 |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:30 - Feb 9 by Chrisd |
Give it a rest about the squad. Finishing bottom of the Championship with a couple of additions doesn’t suddenly make us world beaters. Too much delusion by some about the ability of our side. In fact, it’s a disservice to the other teams in L1 who are ahead of us. They’ve shown over the season - so far - their squads are ‘collectively’ better and have the appetite to want to succeed. |
Totally agree. Why people think this squad is so great is beyond me. They have proved time and again that they are bang average. |  | | |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:22 - Feb 10 with 2239 views | chicoazul |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:18 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
He's being pedantic. And you know it. |
How come so many people who give you the facts are "being pedantic"? Just climb down from this one. |  |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:23 - Feb 10 with 2229 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 12:42 - Feb 10 by itfcjoe |
What division are Tranmere in? |
They had just won promotion from League 2 when we bought him. He was a League 2 striker. |  |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:24 - Feb 10 with 2217 views | chicoazul |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:23 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
They had just won promotion from League 2 when we bought him. He was a League 2 striker. |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:24 - Feb 10 with 2202 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 12:54 - Feb 10 by tractorboy1978 |
Sunderland signed Will Grigg for £4m - a player consistently proven at L1 level. He's done nothing. Significantly less than Norwood. Money doesn't guarantee anything. |
Jesus... the reams and reams of posts on here saying we don't spend enough to compete, and now you're saying "Money doesn't guarantee anything."
I truly give up. People just see my name and want to argue the toss about anything. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:26 - Feb 10 with 2191 views | jayessess |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 12:54 - Feb 10 by tractorboy1978 |
Sunderland signed Will Grigg for £4m - a player consistently proven at L1 level. He's done nothing. Significantly less than Norwood. Money doesn't guarantee anything. |
The guy who signed him was dismissed with Sunderland in 6th. |  |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:26 - Feb 10 with 2182 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:23 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
They had just won promotion from League 2 when we bought him. He was a League 2 striker. |
Read this back, and please point out which bit is incorrect
"Norwood was a fellow League 1 clubs main striker who we got and blew them out of the water" |  |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:28 - Feb 10 with 2164 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:26 - Feb 10 by itfcjoe |
Read this back, and please point out which bit is incorrect
"Norwood was a fellow League 1 clubs main striker who we got and blew them out of the water" |
Fine, you win. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:28 - Feb 10 with 2159 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:18 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
He's being pedantic. And you know it. |
He isn’t though
The discussion is about Ipswich’s budget in comparison to our League One peers this season. Tranmere are a League One side, and Norwood was undoubtedly their main striker. We were able to blow them out of the water (not to mention other League One and indeed Championship clubs if news stories at the time were to be believed) and sign him because we are a much larger club with a much larger budget |  |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:30 - Feb 10 with 2149 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:23 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
They had just won promotion from League 2 when we bought him. He was a League 2 striker. |
You're missing the context of the post.
Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault by itfcjoe 10 Feb 2020 9:49Our signings are expensive by anyones terms in this league.
Norwood was a fellow League 1 clubs main striker who we got and blew them out of the water, the same re Holy as a goalkeeper.
Look at who we've been up against squad wise - it does matter when you are working out if we are high spenders or not.
The point was that we could compete with anyone in this league (Tranmere are in this league and he was their main striker). Yes, he himself hadn't played above L2 before this season, but that's irrelevant to the point being made, which is all about our relative financial strength in this division. |  |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:31 - Feb 10 with 2144 views | chicoazul |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:26 - Feb 10 by itfcjoe |
Read this back, and please point out which bit is incorrect
"Norwood was a fellow League 1 clubs main striker who we got and blew them out of the water" |
Stop being so pedantic Joe, it's not like words need to mean anything when we have Dollers around to tell us all what we actually meant. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:34 - Feb 10 with 2127 views | Swailsey |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:31 - Feb 10 by chicoazul |
Stop being so pedantic Joe, it's not like words need to mean anything when we have Dollers around to tell us all what we actually meant. |
Words are mostly just theory based anyway. What am we? |  |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:37 - Feb 10 with 2111 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:30 - Feb 10 by Swansea_Blue |
You're missing the context of the post.
Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault by itfcjoe 10 Feb 2020 9:49Our signings are expensive by anyones terms in this league.
Norwood was a fellow League 1 clubs main striker who we got and blew them out of the water, the same re Holy as a goalkeeper.
Look at who we've been up against squad wise - it does matter when you are working out if we are high spenders or not.
The point was that we could compete with anyone in this league (Tranmere are in this league and he was their main striker). Yes, he himself hadn't played above L2 before this season, but that's irrelevant to the point being made, which is all about our relative financial strength in this division. |
I mean...it's not the strongest point to make. We financially outmuscled a side that had just joined League One, having been non-league a year before that. It's not exactly like we'd just prised Toney off Peterborough. | | | |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:45 - Feb 10 with 2085 views | haynes_toe1 |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 14:18 - Feb 10 with 2052 views | jayessess |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 13:37 - Feb 10 by FoghornGleghorn |
I mean...it's not the strongest point to make. We financially outmuscled a side that had just joined League One, having been non-league a year before that. It's not exactly like we'd just prised Toney off Peterborough. |
IIRC there were Championship sides in for him and other League One bosses complaining we were paying him "crazy money". There's a good chance he's one of the best paid players in the division. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 14:37 - Feb 10 with 2023 views | Chrisd |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 12:09 - Feb 9 by pointofblue |
You’re saying our squad is worse than Wycombe’s? |
What I'm saying is that 'collectively' they play better as a side than what we do and also play to their strengths. For all the bravado that our side is the strongest in the league, it's utter nonsense. We look a bunch of individuals just thrown together most match days and still lack the quality to beat sides. If we were that good we'd still be able to get the job done. Time and again we've 'FAILED' to beat those around us and it speaks volumes and should make that crystal clear the capability of our squad. Our failure to beat any of the top 6 does not reflect a side that has a squad that's far superior than our competitors. I'm sure if you asked any of those sides if they'd trade any of our players? It would probably only be for a couple of names, not the whole team! The fact we believe it because we support Ipswich does not make it fact. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 14:39 - Feb 10 with 2014 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 14:37 - Feb 10 by Chrisd |
What I'm saying is that 'collectively' they play better as a side than what we do and also play to their strengths. For all the bravado that our side is the strongest in the league, it's utter nonsense. We look a bunch of individuals just thrown together most match days and still lack the quality to beat sides. If we were that good we'd still be able to get the job done. Time and again we've 'FAILED' to beat those around us and it speaks volumes and should make that crystal clear the capability of our squad. Our failure to beat any of the top 6 does not reflect a side that has a squad that's far superior than our competitors. I'm sure if you asked any of those sides if they'd trade any of our players? It would probably only be for a couple of names, not the whole team! The fact we believe it because we support Ipswich does not make it fact. |
But you are getting confused between strongest squad and best team.
I, like many others, believe we have one of the strongest squads in the league - but yet we are not playing as a team.
The early season form before other sides had got used to playing with each other and set on their tactics may explain the loss of form.
We were able to beat teams by having better players before they found their ythym - we are yet to find a rhythym because we spent 4 months rotating incessantly | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 14:45 - Feb 10 with 1993 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 14:39 - Feb 10 by itfcjoe |
But you are getting confused between strongest squad and best team.
I, like many others, believe we have one of the strongest squads in the league - but yet we are not playing as a team.
The early season form before other sides had got used to playing with each other and set on their tactics may explain the loss of form.
We were able to beat teams by having better players before they found their ythym - we are yet to find a rhythym because we spent 4 months rotating incessantly |
The truth lies somewhere in between. We've got some of the best players in the league, but in addition to them and some lower-league punts which are working, our first XI also regularly features lower-league punts which are proving mid-table-at-best standard in this league, aging campaigners and a player a mid-table League One side threw out. | | | |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 14:49 - Feb 10 with 1967 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 14:37 - Feb 10 by Chrisd |
What I'm saying is that 'collectively' they play better as a side than what we do and also play to their strengths. For all the bravado that our side is the strongest in the league, it's utter nonsense. We look a bunch of individuals just thrown together most match days and still lack the quality to beat sides. If we were that good we'd still be able to get the job done. Time and again we've 'FAILED' to beat those around us and it speaks volumes and should make that crystal clear the capability of our squad. Our failure to beat any of the top 6 does not reflect a side that has a squad that's far superior than our competitors. I'm sure if you asked any of those sides if they'd trade any of our players? It would probably only be for a couple of names, not the whole team! The fact we believe it because we support Ipswich does not make it fact. |
Surely that our team doesn’t play as well collectively as others just illustrates what a poor job that Lambert is doing though, rather than the ability of the squad? | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 15:02 - Feb 10 with 1949 views | Chrisd |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 14:39 - Feb 10 by itfcjoe |
But you are getting confused between strongest squad and best team.
I, like many others, believe we have one of the strongest squads in the league - but yet we are not playing as a team.
The early season form before other sides had got used to playing with each other and set on their tactics may explain the loss of form.
We were able to beat teams by having better players before they found their ythym - we are yet to find a rhythym because we spent 4 months rotating incessantly |
No confusion here Joe. Both as a team and as individuals we really don't have that star quality which many keep suggesting. As I have posted in response to you before, I appreciate we've got a couple of individuals that are very decent, but this squad suggestion is ludicrous. We've a lot of players, who are 'bang average' and that's where the confusion lies. Lets not forget, at the beginning of the season we managed to scrape a few victories or draws at the death which help to camouflage matters. Now the season has unravelled, it's probably a better reflection of where we are truly at. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 15:05 - Feb 10 with 1939 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 15:02 - Feb 10 by Chrisd |
No confusion here Joe. Both as a team and as individuals we really don't have that star quality which many keep suggesting. As I have posted in response to you before, I appreciate we've got a couple of individuals that are very decent, but this squad suggestion is ludicrous. We've a lot of players, who are 'bang average' and that's where the confusion lies. Lets not forget, at the beginning of the season we managed to scrape a few victories or draws at the death which help to camouflage matters. Now the season has unravelled, it's probably a better reflection of where we are truly at. |
I look at the individual quality compared to other teams and before most games we are streets ahead - there are obvious exceptions against the better teams but for me it really is an organisational and motivational issue.
We go to AFC Wimbledon tomorrow, and will probably name 5 players on the bench who would start for them, it is like that quite often. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 15:06 - Feb 10 with 1933 views | Chrisd |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 14:49 - Feb 10 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Surely that our team doesn’t play as well collectively as others just illustrates what a poor job that Lambert is doing though, rather than the ability of the squad? |
ME, PL and the players are all culpable for me. However, good sides still manage to get the job done and we've failed so many times this season, when it really matters, proves to me we aren't a top 6 side or have the best squad in the league. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 15:09 - Feb 10 with 1920 views | Chrisd |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 15:05 - Feb 10 by itfcjoe |
I look at the individual quality compared to other teams and before most games we are streets ahead - there are obvious exceptions against the better teams but for me it really is an organisational and motivational issue.
We go to AFC Wimbledon tomorrow, and will probably name 5 players on the bench who would start for them, it is like that quite often. |
Sorry but a team that's 7th in L1 isn't streets ahead. The good players still get it done, we don't. We could go to Rotherham, Coventry, Peterborough or Sunderland tomorrow night and out of our starting XI only a couple would probably start for them. The fact you are highlighting AFC Wimbledon, who are 20th, again highlights my point.......bang average! [Post edited 10 Feb 2020 15:15]
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 15:21 - Feb 10 with 1891 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 15:09 - Feb 10 by Chrisd |
Sorry but a team that's 7th in L1 isn't streets ahead. The good players still get it done, we don't. We could go to Rotherham, Coventry, Peterborough or Sunderland tomorrow night and out of our starting XI only a couple would probably start for them. The fact you are highlighting AFC Wimbledon, who are 20th, again highlights my point.......bang average! [Post edited 10 Feb 2020 15:15]
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I highlighted Wimbledon because that was our next game.
The fact that we do 'get it done' against the weaker sides in this league when we are a poor team is down to individual quality rather than playing well as a team.
We struggle against the better teams because they know how to set up, how to play with each other and expose the fact that we don't - Lambert has confused himself this season with all the rotation
We are out of the top 6 for the first time this season, and we haven't put together more than a couple of 90 minute performances all season - to me that shows it is because we have better players to get us through, but that won't work forever | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 16:13 - Feb 10 with 1841 views | Chrisd |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 15:21 - Feb 10 by itfcjoe |
I highlighted Wimbledon because that was our next game.
The fact that we do 'get it done' against the weaker sides in this league when we are a poor team is down to individual quality rather than playing well as a team.
We struggle against the better teams because they know how to set up, how to play with each other and expose the fact that we don't - Lambert has confused himself this season with all the rotation
We are out of the top 6 for the first time this season, and we haven't put together more than a couple of 90 minute performances all season - to me that shows it is because we have better players to get us through, but that won't work forever |
This is where the point is missed completely. For all this 'quality' we supposedly have the games that really matter are the ones, like on Saturday, yet again we come away with nothing. 10 games against the current top 6, 0 wins, 5 draws and 5 losses. If we were that good, we'd get it done against those better sides, but we don't. Getting it done against sides like: Rochdale, Wimbledon or Bolton you'd expect but for the cream to rise to the surface in the important games we are sadly lacking and it's those games you'd expect the quality to shine through and earn us promotion. Yes, I completely agree PL needs questioning about his tactics and motivation, but the players are the ones that cross that white line and deliver and in the majority of cases with the better side we have been a long way short. That's why we're 7th and sliding.
I'd also counter your argument about the 90 minutes performances or lack of in our case. The fact we can't perform for two halves highlights to me the lack of quality to be able to consistently produce and that includes against some of the poorer sides in this league. Lets not forget, our recent record over the last 20 games is a side that is bottom 8. Not much quality coming through there? [Post edited 10 Feb 2020 16:29]
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