| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault 23:43 - Feb 8 with 26646 views | kizaitfc |
Needs to look over the last 15 years |  |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:30 - Feb 10 with 6277 views | itfcjoe |
Seems a lot of revisionism now about the quality of the squad, think it was fairly widely agreed Lambert was in 'no excuses' territory when the August window closed.
We've not had many injuries this season either.
Any mug could have picked up 21 points from the last 19 games with this squad. |  |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:33 - Feb 10 with 6259 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:20 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
He's been backed - but not by very much. In fact far less than any other manager under Evans, bar Mick perhaps.
Lambert's biggest signing cost 500k, is a right back, and has been injured for ages. |
We blew Tranmere out of the water to sign Norwood from them, and beat out championship clubs with the wages we offered.
He has been backed considerably bearing in mind we are now a League 1 club | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:34 - Feb 10 with 6258 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:30 - Feb 10 by itfcjoe |
Seems a lot of revisionism now about the quality of the squad, think it was fairly widely agreed Lambert was in 'no excuses' territory when the August window closed.
We've not had many injuries this season either.
Any mug could have picked up 21 points from the last 19 games with this squad. |
It's all part of the progressive lowering of standards at this club starting with the owner and then seeping down to O'Neill, the manager and finally the fans. People now believe we have a mid table L1 squad and we are performing roughly where we should be. | | | |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:41 - Feb 10 with 6241 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:19 - Feb 10 by tractorboy1978 |
Whether they are good enough isn't Evans fault is it? Lambert chose to sign them. And what they earn is pretty relevant when you are questioning the extent to which Lambert has been backed. Tranmere fans said Norwood needs 3 chances to score one, Lambert has created a side that doesn't create 3 chances all game half of the time. |
But maybe Lambert chose to sign them because he didn't have the funds to sign anyone better? That's my point. |  |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:44 - Feb 10 with 6235 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:26 - Feb 10 by m14_blue |
But if they're paid good wages and still aren't good enough then whose fault is that?
It certainly isn't the owners. |
The point is the owner hasn't released money for fees, just wages. Which isn't insignificant, but you can't tell me Lambert wouldn't rather have had a bit more money in order to recruit better players? He did the best he could with the money available. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:44 - Feb 10 with 6235 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:41 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
But maybe Lambert chose to sign them because he didn't have the funds to sign anyone better? That's my point. |
Every club at this level would have bitten your hand off for Norwood. And there were Championship clubs interested too. Lambert was chasing him before last season was even over - he was target number 1 that is fairly clear, and Evans got him. The fact Lambert hasn't got the best out of him isn't Evans problem. | | | |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:47 - Feb 10 with 6223 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:30 - Feb 10 by itfcjoe |
Seems a lot of revisionism now about the quality of the squad, think it was fairly widely agreed Lambert was in 'no excuses' territory when the August window closed.
We've not had many injuries this season either.
Any mug could have picked up 21 points from the last 19 games with this squad. |
Not many injuries? Are you having a laugh? Bishop, Huws and Sears only just back, Lankester long term, KVY (Lambert's biggest signing) out for ages, Garbutt (Prem loanee and dead ball specialist) out. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:48 - Feb 10 with 6223 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:30 - Feb 10 by itfcjoe |
Seems a lot of revisionism now about the quality of the squad, think it was fairly widely agreed Lambert was in 'no excuses' territory when the August window closed.
We've not had many injuries this season either.
Any mug could have picked up 21 points from the last 19 games with this squad. |
I don't think the squad is as good as people think I am afraid.
However I do believe the squad is better than 21 points from 19 games, I don't think anyone can argue with that.
I looked at the form table over the last 15 games. We are below Bolton. That is truly staggering. |  |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:53 - Feb 10 with 6203 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:33 - Feb 10 by itfcjoe |
We blew Tranmere out of the water to sign Norwood from them, and beat out championship clubs with the wages we offered.
He has been backed considerably bearing in mind we are now a League 1 club |
Tranmere are tiny, of course we blew them out of the water. I don't know about any Champ clubs, have you got any evidence for this?
Their wages may well be decent, but the fact remains we've only got in freebies in the striking department. I'm damn sure Lambert would've made a bid for a proven striker at this level (or above), who was in contract and thus wanted by his club, if he'd had the funds to do so.
We shop in the bargain bin. Everybody knows this. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:56 - Feb 10 with 6198 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:34 - Feb 10 by tractorboy1978 |
It's all part of the progressive lowering of standards at this club starting with the owner and then seeping down to O'Neill, the manager and finally the fans. People now believe we have a mid table L1 squad and we are performing roughly where we should be. |
They may well be right. If you keep underfunding a club, that's where you'll end up.
It may well be that we should be higher up with this squad - but then you have the added factor of teams raising their game when they play us.
It was never going to be straightforward that we would piss this league, as many other of the bigger teams have found out. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:59 - Feb 10 with 6192 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:44 - Feb 10 by tractorboy1978 |
Every club at this level would have bitten your hand off for Norwood. And there were Championship clubs interested too. Lambert was chasing him before last season was even over - he was target number 1 that is fairly clear, and Evans got him. The fact Lambert hasn't got the best out of him isn't Evans problem. |
That's all true - but as I've stated, Lambert chased what he could get. I'm sure if he could afford someone proven at this level he'd have gone for them.
He took a calculated gamble with the funds he had available. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:12 - Feb 10 with 6167 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:20 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
He's been backed - but not by very much. In fact far less than any other manager under Evans, bar Mick perhaps.
Lambert's biggest signing cost 500k, is a right back, and has been injured for ages. |
That’s because we’ve been relegated, in relative terms to the league we’re in he’s been given significantly more backing than any manager since Keane
EDIT: Plus he was given the funds to sign 7 players when we were in the Championship too [Post edited 10 Feb 2020 9:13]
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:17 - Feb 10 with 6164 views | haynes_toe1 |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 07:56 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
Both freebies. Says it all.
I have no idea about Wycombe's strike force. I support Ipswich. |
Hang on, what?
How can you possibly know if our strikers are good enough if you have absolutely nothing to base a comparison on, because you're ignorantly unaware of, well, clearly, football? | | | |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:20 - Feb 10 with 6162 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:47 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
Not many injuries? Are you having a laugh? Bishop, Huws and Sears only just back, Lankester long term, KVY (Lambert's biggest signing) out for ages, Garbutt (Prem loanee and dead ball specialist) out. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more. |
Bishop, Sears and Lankester started the season long term injured
Huws has been in and around the squad all season
KVY is the only real injury we have suffered which has seen a player miss more than 3 or 4 games
Compare that to previous seasons and we've had a relatively clear run | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:26 - Feb 10 with 6141 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:17 - Feb 10 by haynes_toe1 |
Hang on, what?
How can you possibly know if our strikers are good enough if you have absolutely nothing to base a comparison on, because you're ignorantly unaware of, well, clearly, football? |
Erm, I know if our strikers are good enough by how many goals they are scoring. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:27 - Feb 10 with 6139 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 08:53 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
Tranmere are tiny, of course we blew them out of the water. I don't know about any Champ clubs, have you got any evidence for this?
Their wages may well be decent, but the fact remains we've only got in freebies in the striking department. I'm damn sure Lambert would've made a bid for a proven striker at this level (or above), who was in contract and thus wanted by his club, if he'd had the funds to do so.
We shop in the bargain bin. Everybody knows this. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. |
I'm sorry, but you cannot seriously say that Will Keane and James Norwood are bargain bin signings for a League 1 club.
You need to readjust what you think players cost at this level in fees and wages and actually take a look at the rest of the division.
We were certainly in the bargain bin in the Championship, we are high rollers in this league. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:33 - Feb 10 with 6128 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:20 - Feb 10 by itfcjoe |
Bishop, Sears and Lankester started the season long term injured
Huws has been in and around the squad all season
KVY is the only real injury we have suffered which has seen a player miss more than 3 or 4 games
Compare that to previous seasons and we've had a relatively clear run |
So much wrong here I don't know where to start. You've become a Lambert-out man Joe and it's clouding your judgement.
Whether the first 3 are season long or not is irrelevant - they are still injured players that we could play if they weren't. Regardless, they aren't all season long ones anyway, as Bishop and Sears have both played.
Huws has still been injured, and certainly not match fit, for most of the season. How on earth can you say otherwise?
KVY isn't the only "real" injury as I have mentioned others.
Stop twisting the facts to suit your agenda. Regardless of whether you like Lambert or not, it is demonstrably true that we've had several important injuries. Being slightly better than previous seasons is irrelevant. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:35 - Feb 10 with 6122 views | Swailsey |
This is phenomenal. |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:36 - Feb 10 with 6118 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:27 - Feb 10 by itfcjoe |
I'm sorry, but you cannot seriously say that Will Keane and James Norwood are bargain bin signings for a League 1 club.
You need to readjust what you think players cost at this level in fees and wages and actually take a look at the rest of the division.
We were certainly in the bargain bin in the Championship, we are high rollers in this league. |
We're high rollers in terms of wages - by virtue of the fact we came down with players on relatively high wages (because they're on Champ wages). It's not as if we've splashed the cash since we've come down, though, is it? | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:37 - Feb 10 with 6111 views | PJH |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:36 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
We're high rollers in terms of wages - by virtue of the fact we came down with players on relatively high wages (because they're on Champ wages). It's not as if we've splashed the cash since we've come down, though, is it? |
I think all or most of the playing staff had pay cuts because we got relegated so few if any are on Championship wages. |  | | |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:38 - Feb 10 with 6110 views | chicoazul |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:36 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
We're high rollers in terms of wages - by virtue of the fact we came down with players on relatively high wages (because they're on Champ wages). It's not as if we've splashed the cash since we've come down, though, is it? |
They're not on Champ wages anymore, everyone took a large paycut when we got relegated. We will have to wait to see what the accounts say but it's very safe to say Keane Judge Norwood are on very good money and we will be subsidising wages for Garbutt and Norris to some extent. Fees and wages are all paid for using money. |  |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:39 - Feb 10 with 6106 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:37 - Feb 10 by PJH |
I think all or most of the playing staff had pay cuts because we got relegated so few if any are on Championship wages. |
Not really the point, but anyway... | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:40 - Feb 10 with 6098 views | haynes_toe1 |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:26 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
Erm, I know if our strikers are good enough by how many goals they are scoring. |
Norwood has 11 goals and 2 assists. He has a goal for every 161 minutes played. He could well end the season on near 20 goals. He's in the top 4 for goals per minute played.
Kayden has 9 goals as a secondary striker, and 6 assists. Again, he could easily end up on 12-15 goals. If we say Norwood only gets 18, and Kayden only gets 12, that's still 30 from your top two strikers. That's good enough.
Also, strikers are relying upon service. Service is limited because Lambert can't instil a playing style that actually plays to our strengths. Instead, we hoof it to strikers who aren't suited to dealing with that style. | | | |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:40 - Feb 10 with 6095 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:38 - Feb 10 by chicoazul |
They're not on Champ wages anymore, everyone took a large paycut when we got relegated. We will have to wait to see what the accounts say but it's very safe to say Keane Judge Norwood are on very good money and we will be subsidising wages for Garbutt and Norris to some extent. Fees and wages are all paid for using money. |
I'm not disputing they're on good wages. | |
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| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:42 - Feb 10 with 6082 views | chicoazul |
| Anyone that's thinks this is Lamberts fault on 09:40 - Feb 10 by BrixtonBlue |
I'm not disputing they're on good wages. |
Nobody is saying you are, what you are disputing is that we haven't "splashed the cash" which I am taking as a proxy for Lambert has not been backed, when he almost certainly has. | |
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