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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two 12:05 - Feb 19 with 34939 viewsGeoffSentence

well, according to Craig Ramage they do

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news/craig-ramage-racist-derby-coun

It honestly beggars belief what goes through some people's minds and even more so what comes out of their mouths.

Don't boil a kettle on a boat.
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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:00 - Feb 19 with 4210 viewsjaykay

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 13:04 - Feb 19 by BlueBadger

Usually veiled, but it's there. No-one spoke about Aaron Cresswell getting 'too big for his boots' when stories of premier league interest in him surfaced, unlike they did with Tyronne Mings, for example.


as some who could never be classed as white middle /old aged man with my ethnicity and have no axe to grind but i thought everyone on this board wished tyrone all the best. were you getting him mixed up with titus unless you you have links

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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:02 - Feb 19 with 4214 viewsGirthyguy

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 13:04 - Feb 19 by Ely_Blue

But it’s ok for black artists to go on with a chip on their shoulders on national TV on the Brit awards? No wonder these young impressionable footballs have these them and us attitudes


Exactly but your not aloud to say that out loud.
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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:03 - Feb 19 with 4200 viewsMrTown

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 15:42 - Feb 19 by NewcyBlue

“ cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies," he wrote, referring to African people as having "watermelon smiles."

https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-record-sexist-homophobic-and-racis

Nope. Nothing to do with him. You’re a moron.


I think you may be missing the point.

As I have said before (I nor like or dislike Boris Johnson), please read my responses properly.

I am merely saying are you honestly blaming Boris Johnson for a 49 year old grown man in Derby being a racist, honestly....

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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:04 - Feb 19 with 4193 viewsHerbivore

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:02 - Feb 19 by Girthyguy

Exactly but your not aloud to say that out loud.


He's just said it 'out loud' and you've just agreed with him on this very thread. That's not great evidence of not being allowed to say it, is it?

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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:05 - Feb 19 with 4190 viewseireblue

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 15:42 - Feb 19 by Ely_Blue

No what I inferred was the same a Darth, however my point was what is the difference? Victimisation/racism/sexism is the same both ways around? Black rappers can’t go around using the term Ni*8er in their songs when referring to each other and then cry racism when a white kid who is influenced by their music (and yes I have first hand experience of this having a teenage son) who refers to black people with that word. That is double standards


It is not a double standard.



Hope that helps, feel free to share it with teenagers.
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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:07 - Feb 19 with 4181 viewsGirthyguy

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:04 - Feb 19 by Herbivore

He's just said it 'out loud' and you've just agreed with him on this very thread. That's not great evidence of not being allowed to say it, is it?


No it's terrible evidence shame on me.
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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:09 - Feb 19 with 4170 viewsNewcyBlue

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:02 - Feb 19 by Girthyguy

Exactly but your not aloud to say that out loud.


You’re an idiot. But we aren’t allowed to say that out loud.

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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:10 - Feb 19 with 4164 viewssparks

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 15:11 - Feb 19 by BackToRussia

It IS one sided, BAME people in this country experience the vast, vast majority of racism that occurs in this country, and it is perpetrated by white people. That there are areas of the country where whites are an ethnic minority is barely relevant, being in the minority doesn't count as being discriminated against. You say you were made to feel uncomfortable, but as Herbivore pointed out (you should try taking him off ignore if you're worried about shutting down debate), this isn't pleasant, but does it constitute either the scale or depth of racism that is the problem in this country?


1. You appear to be missing the point. No one says that racism towards white people has anything like the impact, in the UK, of racism the other way. The point was that you play into the farage narrative, when you deny that it exists, claim that its not possible because you have to have power to be racist etc etc. Taking those positions just entrenches the views of the people most of us would like to see the error of their ways / views.
2. Not a chance of taking that obsessive dishonest sniper off ignore.
3. Please specify where I made an assertion to the effect that my experience in Whitton constituted the scale or depth of racism issues in this country generally.
4. Please also note that I DID experience racism during that time- on one specific occasion, but that that is not something I have even commented on- given that it was not relevant to the points under discussion.

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Oh dear on 16:12 - Feb 19 with 4174 viewsDyland

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:02 - Feb 19 by Girthyguy

Exactly but your not aloud to say that out loud.


A few years ago you wouldn't have even dared post this ridiculous response.

This fooking country man. Fed up with ignorant racist, delusional tvats who double down on it.

Fook off.

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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:13 - Feb 19 with 4143 viewsGirthyguy

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:09 - Feb 19 by NewcyBlue

You’re an idiot. But we aren’t allowed to say that out loud.


I am well aware I am an idiot. Thanks
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Oh dear on 16:14 - Feb 19 with 4139 viewsNewcyBlue

Oh dear on 16:12 - Feb 19 by Dyland

A few years ago you wouldn't have even dared post this ridiculous response.

This fooking country man. Fed up with ignorant racist, delusional tvats who double down on it.

Fook off.


Quite right. He can foxtrot oscar.

This is why I am all for punch a racist.

They spew bile like this and get hit in the side of the head.

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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:15 - Feb 19 with 4134 viewsNewcyBlue

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:13 - Feb 19 by Girthyguy

I am well aware I am an idiot. Thanks


Good. That was me being kind.

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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:15 - Feb 19 with 4134 viewsClapham_Junction

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 14:27 - Feb 19 by BackToRussia

There is a reason racists like Ely like to say well what about white people being discriminated against, and it's not because they want to fight racism.

I still insist you three are talking about maybe 4 or 5 areas the size of a postcode. One area of Luton has been mentioned twice!
[Post edited 19 Feb 2020 14:31]


In London six boroughs (Brent, Ealing, Harrow, Newham, Redbridge and Tower Hamlets) have BAME majorities (less than 30% of Newham's population is white). These are not the size of a postcode, they are all places much larger than Ipswich in population terms.

Slough also has a majority BAME population.
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Oh dear on 16:16 - Feb 19 with 4134 viewsGirthyguy

Oh dear on 16:12 - Feb 19 by Dyland

A few years ago you wouldn't have even dared post this ridiculous response.

This fooking country man. Fed up with ignorant racist, delusional tvats who double down on it.

Fook off.


I'm not racist.
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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:16 - Feb 19 with 4128 viewsjeera

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:03 - Feb 19 by MrTown

I think you may be missing the point.

As I have said before (I nor like or dislike Boris Johnson), please read my responses properly.

I am merely saying are you honestly blaming Boris Johnson for a 49 year old grown man in Derby being a racist, honestly....


That's because, for some reason, you're still having difficulty understanding some basics.

Badger said people feel empowered by examples set by [people like] Johnson.

You keep saying posters are 'blaming' him [solely].

You, not everyone else, you.

Empowered is the word, not 'blame' per se.

It's really, really straightforward, but you will argue anything and stick a stupid rolling emoji on the end to cover your continued ignorance.

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Oh dear on 16:17 - Feb 19 with 4122 viewsNewcyBlue

Oh dear on 16:16 - Feb 19 by Girthyguy

I'm not racist.


If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck....

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QED on 16:19 - Feb 19 with 4121 viewsDyland

Oh dear on 16:16 - Feb 19 by Girthyguy

I'm not racist.


Glassers summed it up in his response, see if you can work out why I'm calling you out when comparing your replies to Ely.

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two by GlasgowBlue 19 Feb 2020 13:14
The absolute nerve of a black man who has most likely been on the receiving end of radical abuse, publicly calling out somebody who in a position of power and has used the sort of language that normalised the type of racism he has had to put up with.

I mean who do these black peoples with chips on their shoulder think they are?


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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:19 - Feb 19 with 4115 viewsNewcyBlue

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:03 - Feb 19 by MrTown

I think you may be missing the point.

As I have said before (I nor like or dislike Boris Johnson), please read my responses properly.

I am merely saying are you honestly blaming Boris Johnson for a 49 year old grown man in Derby being a racist, honestly....


Are you suggesting that after Brexit, and the like of Boris that these vvankers haven’t become more emboldened?

If you are, then you’re an idiot. I’ve seen it first hand.

Boris is a racist.

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Oh dear on 16:23 - Feb 19 with 4099 viewsWD19

Oh dear on 16:17 - Feb 19 by NewcyBlue

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck....


Please stop applying duck stereotypes.
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Oh dear on 16:26 - Feb 19 with 4083 viewsNewcyBlue

Oh dear on 16:23 - Feb 19 by WD19

Please stop applying duck stereotypes.


We can apply some hoisin sauce to it...

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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:29 - Feb 19 with 4069 viewsvapour_trail

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:19 - Feb 19 by NewcyBlue

Are you suggesting that after Brexit, and the like of Boris that these vvankers haven’t become more emboldened?

If you are, then you’re an idiot. I’ve seen it first hand.

Boris is a racist.


Yes Boris is, and fine for Dave to call him out, not sure why ely, usm and girthy have an issue with that. Well it’s clear why girthy does, but the other two.

Mr Town said you can’t call cause and effect with Boris and this geezer in derby and I think that’s fair enough actually. The derby bloke seems contrite, pretty appalled with what he’s done and you’d think unlikely he’ll repeat it.

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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:30 - Feb 19 with 4054 viewsvapour_trail

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 14:19 - Feb 19 by Lord_Lucan

I was born in Luton and grew up in my younger years in Hounslow and Bully is correct. Most large cities especially oop north have large areas of non integration.

There would also be murders (literally) if a white man tried to marry into certain communities. Racism certainly isn't one way.

Not sure what the Derby bloke was thinking though, even if it's true that the black lads were acting a bit "Like that" he might have thought about the consequences of saying what he did.


Now I was born in Hounslow and trod the path to Luton the other way.

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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:31 - Feb 19 with 4051 viewsMrTown

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:16 - Feb 19 by jeera

That's because, for some reason, you're still having difficulty understanding some basics.

Badger said people feel empowered by examples set by [people like] Johnson.

You keep saying posters are 'blaming' him [solely].

You, not everyone else, you.

Empowered is the word, not 'blame' per se.

It's really, really straightforward, but you will argue anything and stick a stupid rolling emoji on the end to cover your continued ignorance.


Got you riled up haven't I.

I'm living in your head rent free, son.

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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:34 - Feb 19 with 4037 viewsMrTown

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:19 - Feb 19 by NewcyBlue

Are you suggesting that after Brexit, and the like of Boris that these vvankers haven’t become more emboldened?

If you are, then you’re an idiot. I’ve seen it first hand.

Boris is a racist.


Racism is alive, and remains as disgusting as when any prior PM was in place before Boris Johnson.

Boris Johnson, doesn't control humans, or what they say and do. Remember that sunshine, it is the buffoons continuing these horrible acts.

Now silence please, you are boring me x

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All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:38 - Feb 19 with 4024 viewsNewcyBlue

All Derby's young black lads need pulling down a peg or two on 16:29 - Feb 19 by vapour_trail

Yes Boris is, and fine for Dave to call him out, not sure why ely, usm and girthy have an issue with that. Well it’s clear why girthy does, but the other two.

Mr Town said you can’t call cause and effect with Boris and this geezer in derby and I think that’s fair enough actually. The derby bloke seems contrite, pretty appalled with what he’s done and you’d think unlikely he’ll repeat it.


In the wider context, the emboldening of such views has coincided with certain events.

I think the two can be connected. Racism is racism.

The cause of this geezer in Derby is irrelevant.

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