| In today’s briefing 17:45 - Mar 19 with 7173 views | NewcyBlue |
BoJo has said a couple of times that he wants businesses to stand by their employees because the government will “stand by businesses”....
He also said that they aim to look after the people most effected by the financial issues of this better than the people were looked after post 2008 financial crash.
Otherwise, he said a lot without saying much. Lots of bluster about testing, even suggesting they could test up to 250000 per day. |  |
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| In today’s briefing on 18:47 - Mar 19 with 2692 views | sparks |
| In today’s briefing on 18:44 - Mar 19 by Swansea_Blue |
There's business and then there's the Tory idea of business. The likes of the people who donate to them can probably manage to cover/raise finance in the short term. But your small/micro SME and the self-employed won't be so lucky. |
Its incredibly hard to put these things in place instantly.
The schemes have been announced, and we are only a couple of days on. Firms ought not to be laying off yet- its only been a few days. The schemes will presumably be on stream very soon. |  |
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| In today’s briefing on 18:47 - Mar 19 with 2691 views | eireblue |
| In today’s briefing on 18:35 - Mar 19 by sparks |
He personified the virus. I think many people need to see it that way to be persuaded to fight it. |
Yes.
You can also personalise it in terms of personally responsibility.
This isn’t an enemy that can be “fought”.
This virus will kill people. Don’t transmit it. This is your responsibility.
Hoarding food won’t help the effort.
I don’t know. But could the sort of societal pressure that is applied to a drink driver be applied to this.
If the PM can use one sort of language, to focus minds, then equally well there are other forms of language that people will respond to.
Is he using that language because it is effective, or because that is how he always communicates? |  | | |
| In today’s briefing on 18:53 - Mar 19 with 2670 views | sparks |
| In today’s briefing on 18:47 - Mar 19 by eireblue |
Yes.
You can also personalise it in terms of personally responsibility.
This isn’t an enemy that can be “fought”.
This virus will kill people. Don’t transmit it. This is your responsibility.
Hoarding food won’t help the effort.
I don’t know. But could the sort of societal pressure that is applied to a drink driver be applied to this.
If the PM can use one sort of language, to focus minds, then equally well there are other forms of language that people will respond to.
Is he using that language because it is effective, or because that is how he always communicates? |
Perhaps- he is what he is though. He thinks in public school cliches. | |
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| In today’s briefing on 18:57 - Mar 19 with 2667 views | Lord_Lucan |
| In today’s briefing on 18:12 - Mar 19 by jaykay |
i think being laid off focuses people minds. e.g, adnams etc |
I am doing my very best at the very moment to keep Adnams in business.
In fact I just had to buy an assorted box as the Co-op had run out of Ghost Ship. |  |
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| In today’s briefing on 18:58 - Mar 19 with 2674 views | Dubtractor |
I think he has been less good/convincing as each night has passed.
Was very nervy and lacking real information tonight.
I suspect he knows that sh1t is about to get very real.
I'm reluctant to hammer him though, is in an almost impossible position. |  |
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| In today’s briefing on 18:59 - Mar 19 with 2669 views | Lord_Lucan |
| In today’s briefing on 18:32 - Mar 19 by jas0999 |
This the problem with daily briefings. There is an expectation for him to say something, but some days there will actually be little to say, which hasn’t already been said. That will no doubt disappoint the media. |
Yes I agree with this as well, it's a very good point.
At least with The Gulf War we could show pictures of GPS bombs flying through windows | |
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| In today’s briefing on 19:08 - Mar 19 with 2648 views | NthQldITFC |
| In today’s briefing on 18:59 - Mar 19 by Lord_Lucan |
Yes I agree with this as well, it's a very good point.
At least with The Gulf War we could show pictures of GPS bombs flying through windows |
Don't give Trump any ideas! |  |
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| In today’s briefing on 19:29 - Mar 19 with 2610 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| In today’s briefing on 18:35 - Mar 19 by monytowbray |
There was plenty more he could have said today about what we can expect for us plebs. They ran out skipping from the off with a huge budget for the economy but they continue to drag out worker’s rights and benefits.
Their understanding of urgency throughout in every regard has been appalling. |
I think they have been quite busy... |  |
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| In today’s briefing on 20:05 - Mar 19 with 2585 views | jaykay |
| In today’s briefing on 18:57 - Mar 19 by Lord_Lucan |
I am doing my very best at the very moment to keep Adnams in business.
In fact I just had to buy an assorted box as the Co-op had run out of Ghost Ship. |
to late i'm afraid to say |  |
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| In today’s briefing on 20:15 - Mar 19 with 2577 views | BryanPlug |
| In today’s briefing on 18:30 - Mar 19 by monytowbray |
I don’t think he has any level of basic empathy to realise he’s addressing concerned citizens who need reassurance and transparency right now. Not empty platitudes and the “posh boy class clown” act. |
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| In today’s briefing on 20:21 - Mar 19 with 2562 views | monytowbray |
| In today’s briefing on 20:15 - Mar 19 by BryanPlug |
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Stop political point scoring. |  |
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| In today’s briefing on 20:23 - Mar 19 with 2562 views | NewcyBlue |
| In today’s briefing on 18:58 - Mar 19 by Dubtractor |
I think he has been less good/convincing as each night has passed.
Was very nervy and lacking real information tonight.
I suspect he knows that sh1t is about to get very real.
I'm reluctant to hammer him though, is in an almost impossible position. |
Well quite, we can’t really judge this whole thing until all is said and done.
I suspect we will never really know though. | |
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| In today’s briefing on 20:25 - Mar 19 with 2548 views | monytowbray |
| In today’s briefing on 20:23 - Mar 19 by NewcyBlue |
Well quite, we can’t really judge this whole thing until all is said and done.
I suspect we will never really know though. |
Whilst were all bored waiting around to find out if we can pay our bills can we at least read the Russia Report? | |
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| In today’s briefing on 20:50 - Mar 19 with 2525 views | BryanPlug |
| In today’s briefing on 20:21 - Mar 19 by monytowbray |
Stop political point scoring. |
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| In today’s briefing on 21:08 - Mar 19 with 2514 views | GluedtoBlue |
The daily updates are a nonsense to me. Lots of talk with very few facts and no defined plan.
What is the point? Do one or two a week and actually tell the nation something of note. |  |
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| In today’s briefing on 21:16 - Mar 19 with 2502 views | Lord_Lucan |
| In today’s briefing on 21:08 - Mar 19 by GluedtoBlue |
The daily updates are a nonsense to me. Lots of talk with very few facts and no defined plan.
What is the point? Do one or two a week and actually tell the nation something of note. |
The nation is nervous. It is important to see the face of our government daily. | |
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| In today’s briefing on 21:32 - Mar 19 with 2487 views | StokieBlue |
| In today’s briefing on 21:08 - Mar 19 by GluedtoBlue |
The daily updates are a nonsense to me. Lots of talk with very few facts and no defined plan.
What is the point? Do one or two a week and actually tell the nation something of note. |
You've clearly not been on here much lately.
Some people would want two a day, each lasting 3 hours and outlining every little thing that went into every decision that's been made.
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| In today’s briefing on 21:53 - Mar 19 with 2469 views | Oxford_Blue |
How the hell could you possibly be in any position to judge how someone manages the country at a time like this?
How do you know what pressures and options there are and what compromises are enforced? | | | |
| In today’s briefing on 21:58 - Mar 19 with 2461 views | monytowbray |
| In today’s briefing on 21:53 - Mar 19 by Oxford_Blue |
How the hell could you possibly be in any position to judge how someone manages the country at a time like this?
How do you know what pressures and options there are and what compromises are enforced? |
I don’t know how to fix a toilet, but if I hired a Plumber and he f*cked it up I’d still be entitled to say they did a sh1t job. | |
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| In today’s briefing on 22:42 - Mar 19 with 2441 views | Swansea_Blue |
| In today’s briefing on 21:53 - Mar 19 by Oxford_Blue |
How the hell could you possibly be in any position to judge how someone manages the country at a time like this?
How do you know what pressures and options there are and what compromises are enforced? |
He doesn't have to manage it, he should have a massive team to do all the maanging. He has to lead it, as that's what he signed up to. You either have it or you don't, and Boris doesn't.
If it's any consolation the first minister over here, Mark Drakeford, is even more useless as a leader. He's Boris without charisma. |  |
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| In today’s briefing on 07:17 - Mar 20 with 2398 views | GlasgowBlue |
| In today’s briefing on 18:59 - Mar 19 by Lord_Lucan |
Yes I agree with this as well, it's a very good point.
At least with The Gulf War we could show pictures of GPS bombs flying through windows |
I don’t think having the PM, CMO and CSA giving daily briefings, and all of the preparation that goes with it is sustainable. We need these people concentrating on our responses, not in explaining it.
Tonight was a perfect example of nothing new to say.
As for the nitpicking over the style of Johnson’s language, it’s starting to look like any excuse to have a dig.
His words are being misrepresented. He didn’t say we will send Coronavirus packing in 12 weeks. He said that we can turn the tide in 12 weeks.
The criticism of “war time” language also completely misses the point. Macron called it a war six times in his address.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/03/france-paris-emmanuel-
The reason such language is used is to reassure the public that this virus can be beaten. To make us feel less helpless.
A perfect example is when I gave the eulogy at my father’s funeral. I spoke of him “finaly losing his brave battle against cancer”.
In truth he didn’t fight a brave battle. He was diagnosed with lung cancer after being a sixty a day man all of his life. Was told it was inoperable, had chemo and died six months earlier than predicted.
But you know what, it made my mum, the rest of the family and the others gathered in church that day to feel a whole lot better to refer to his illness as “a brave battle”.
This is what world leaders do to reassure the general public. [Post edited 20 Mar 2020 7:20]
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| In today’s briefing on 07:44 - Mar 20 with 2379 views | WeWereZombies |
| In today’s briefing on 18:35 - Mar 19 by sparks |
He personified the virus. I think many people need to see it that way to be persuaded to fight it. |
Whether a virus is even a form of life is argued about scientifically:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus
It is certainly not part of the animal kingdom, let alone a person in any common understanding of the word. So to personify a virus, viral transmission and how to avoid the worst infections as a result of this virus is a mistake in both scientific and linguistic terms. It is sending people off on the wrong course of action when, with just a little more care and attention, an effective course of action can be achieved. |  |
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| In today’s briefing on 07:49 - Mar 20 with 2373 views | Radlett_blue |
| In today’s briefing on 07:44 - Mar 20 by WeWereZombies |
Whether a virus is even a form of life is argued about scientifically:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus
It is certainly not part of the animal kingdom, let alone a person in any common understanding of the word. So to personify a virus, viral transmission and how to avoid the worst infections as a result of this virus is a mistake in both scientific and linguistic terms. It is sending people off on the wrong course of action when, with just a little more care and attention, an effective course of action can be achieved. |
It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.
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| In today’s briefing on 10:07 - Mar 20 with 2350 views | eireblue |
| In today’s briefing on 07:17 - Mar 20 by GlasgowBlue |
I don’t think having the PM, CMO and CSA giving daily briefings, and all of the preparation that goes with it is sustainable. We need these people concentrating on our responses, not in explaining it.
Tonight was a perfect example of nothing new to say.
As for the nitpicking over the style of Johnson’s language, it’s starting to look like any excuse to have a dig.
His words are being misrepresented. He didn’t say we will send Coronavirus packing in 12 weeks. He said that we can turn the tide in 12 weeks.
The criticism of “war time” language also completely misses the point. Macron called it a war six times in his address.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/03/france-paris-emmanuel-
The reason such language is used is to reassure the public that this virus can be beaten. To make us feel less helpless.
A perfect example is when I gave the eulogy at my father’s funeral. I spoke of him “finaly losing his brave battle against cancer”.
In truth he didn’t fight a brave battle. He was diagnosed with lung cancer after being a sixty a day man all of his life. Was told it was inoperable, had chemo and died six months earlier than predicted.
But you know what, it made my mum, the rest of the family and the others gathered in church that day to feel a whole lot better to refer to his illness as “a brave battle”.
This is what world leaders do to reassure the general public. [Post edited 20 Mar 2020 7:20]
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Just because one world leader does something, doesn’t mean it is correct.
You wouldn’t say, look Boris copied Trump, it is therefore not worthy of comment.
Leo seems to manage to avoid repeated use of war time analogies/language.
An individual can’t beat a virus.
As an individual, you can reduce your chances of catching it or transmitting it.
If these daily briefings continue, they could be used to emphasis simple messages.
That 12 week comment was rolled back by Johnson in the briefing to render his initial comment meaningless, and the expert in the room gave a different message. That is not reassuring.
Clearly Boris is not reassuring some people in the general public. | | | |
| In today’s briefing on 10:36 - Mar 20 with 2343 views | GlasgowBlue |
| In today’s briefing on 10:07 - Mar 20 by eireblue |
Just because one world leader does something, doesn’t mean it is correct.
You wouldn’t say, look Boris copied Trump, it is therefore not worthy of comment.
Leo seems to manage to avoid repeated use of war time analogies/language.
An individual can’t beat a virus.
As an individual, you can reduce your chances of catching it or transmitting it.
If these daily briefings continue, they could be used to emphasis simple messages.
That 12 week comment was rolled back by Johnson in the briefing to render his initial comment meaningless, and the expert in the room gave a different message. That is not reassuring.
Clearly Boris is not reassuring some people in the general public. |
I disagree. You are a statistician if I recall? We’ve discussed before how you are not given to using emotive language. That’s not a criticism.
What presses your particular button does not necessarily press the button of the wider public. The CMO and CSA are the people to deliver the particular message you are more interested in hearing. | |
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