| NHS Nightingale on 23:57 - Mar 30 with 2315 views | Bent_double |
Agreed, they've done a great job in a short space of time.
I wonder if this will count towards the '40 new hospitals' we've been promised??? |  |
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| NHS Nightingale on 09:37 - Mar 31 with 2140 views | BloomBlue |
I'm sure they said on local London news last night once all 4000 beds are complete it will make it the largest hospital in the world |  | | |
| NHS Nightingale on 09:40 - Mar 31 with 2131 views | Lord_Lucan |
It's amazing, I believe they are doing similar things with The NEC and SEC |  |
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| NHS Nightingale on 09:41 - Mar 31 with 2128 views | hampstead_blue |
It's incredible.
I am going to give a big shout out for the Army. Gurkha Royal Engineers among many others.
Does make you wonder why some things take so long...... |  |
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| NHS Nightingale on 09:58 - Mar 31 with 2076 views | NewcyBlue |
| NHS Nightingale on 09:41 - Mar 31 by hampstead_blue |
It's incredible.
I am going to give a big shout out for the Army. Gurkha Royal Engineers among many others.
Does make you wonder why some things take so long...... |
Let’s hope the oxygen thief that is Farage sees this
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| NHS Nightingale on 10:15 - Mar 31 with 2041 views | m14_blue |
| NHS Nightingale on 09:40 - Mar 31 by Lord_Lucan |
It's amazing, I believe they are doing similar things with The NEC and SEC |
Yep, and the g-Mex.
Quite incredible effort. |  | | |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:20 - Mar 31 with 2016 views | footers |
How did the public sector pull this off without the help of an efficient private sector partner like Serco or Capita? |  |
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| NHS Nightingale on 10:21 - Mar 31 with 2008 views | sparks |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:20 - Mar 31 by footers |
How did the public sector pull this off without the help of an efficient private sector partner like Serco or Capita? |
The Army? |  |
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| NHS Nightingale on 10:26 - Mar 31 with 1984 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Too little too late - its essentially a gigantic PR exercise - albeit an impressively effective one..
Have you any idea what the population of London is - and how soon this will be full - if needed? And where any ventilators needed might come from as the proper hospitals are already desperately short.
Just imagine if we had a government that prioritised health care and the economy over tax cuts and poisonous EU dogma.... it might not have been necessary in the first place. | |
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| NHS Nightingale on 10:31 - Mar 31 with 1968 views | StokieBlue |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:26 - Mar 31 by ElephantintheRoom |
Too little too late - its essentially a gigantic PR exercise - albeit an impressively effective one..
Have you any idea what the population of London is - and how soon this will be full - if needed? And where any ventilators needed might come from as the proper hospitals are already desperately short.
Just imagine if we had a government that prioritised health care and the economy over tax cuts and poisonous EU dogma.... it might not have been necessary in the first place. |
I don't think your daily moan is particularly helpful.
Yes I know how big London is, I live here.
It's 4000 to 5000 more beds than they had before and they estimate London will need ~8000, the other 3000 coming from hospital converting their spaces.
I think everyone can agree healthcare needs more funding but are you suggesting that London alone should have 8000 more ICU beds at all times? That is clearly nonsense. More beds would have been necessary regardless of the funding - that can been seen from the evidence from every country in the world.
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| NHS Nightingale on 10:35 - Mar 31 with 1943 views | GlasgowBlue |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:31 - Mar 31 by StokieBlue |
I don't think your daily moan is particularly helpful.
Yes I know how big London is, I live here.
It's 4000 to 5000 more beds than they had before and they estimate London will need ~8000, the other 3000 coming from hospital converting their spaces.
I think everyone can agree healthcare needs more funding but are you suggesting that London alone should have 8000 more ICU beds at all times? That is clearly nonsense. More beds would have been necessary regardless of the funding - that can been seen from the evidence from every country in the world.
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An interesting read from the New Statesman
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/03/why-weren-t-we-ready |  |
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| NHS Nightingale on 10:36 - Mar 31 with 1943 views | sparks |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:26 - Mar 31 by ElephantintheRoom |
Too little too late - its essentially a gigantic PR exercise - albeit an impressively effective one..
Have you any idea what the population of London is - and how soon this will be full - if needed? And where any ventilators needed might come from as the proper hospitals are already desperately short.
Just imagine if we had a government that prioritised health care and the economy over tax cuts and poisonous EU dogma.... it might not have been necessary in the first place. |
Why is this budgie troll still here? | |
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| NHS Nightingale on 10:46 - Mar 31 with 1901 views | brazil1982 |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:26 - Mar 31 by ElephantintheRoom |
Too little too late - its essentially a gigantic PR exercise - albeit an impressively effective one..
Have you any idea what the population of London is - and how soon this will be full - if needed? And where any ventilators needed might come from as the proper hospitals are already desperately short.
Just imagine if we had a government that prioritised health care and the economy over tax cuts and poisonous EU dogma.... it might not have been necessary in the first place. |
A PR stunt? Really? |  | | |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:49 - Mar 31 with 1888 views | sparks |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:46 - Mar 31 by brazil1982 |
A PR stunt? Really? |
Its pathetic and verging on offensive given the efforts people are going to to try to help one another. | |
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| NHS Nightingale on 10:50 - Mar 31 with 1883 views | StokieBlue |
Interesting article which I think highlights some of the difficulties the government have had with the moving situation. Also highlights that things like ventilators could have been purchased previously though.
I think this line is key:
“even in a full pandemic… people should only stay at home if they have symptoms”
Covid19 is unusual in that it is transmissible whilst you have no symptoms. This wasn't the case for SARS at all and isn't the case for flu (asymptomatic people transfer far less than symptomatic). It makes a lot of the historical planning documents fairly useless.
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| NHS Nightingale on 10:54 - Mar 31 with 1848 views | GlasgowBlue |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:50 - Mar 31 by StokieBlue |
Interesting article which I think highlights some of the difficulties the government have had with the moving situation. Also highlights that things like ventilators could have been purchased previously though.
I think this line is key:
“even in a full pandemic… people should only stay at home if they have symptoms”
Covid19 is unusual in that it is transmissible whilst you have no symptoms. This wasn't the case for SARS at all and isn't the case for flu (asymptomatic people transfer far less than symptomatic). It makes a lot of the historical planning documents fairly useless.
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Also not helped by the Chinese muddying the waters via WHO just two months ago
Despite Taiwan public health officials warning WHO of potential human-to-human transmission of the new coronavirus in December. | |
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| NHS Nightingale on 10:54 - Mar 31 with 1851 views | BloomBlue |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:31 - Mar 31 by StokieBlue |
I don't think your daily moan is particularly helpful.
Yes I know how big London is, I live here.
It's 4000 to 5000 more beds than they had before and they estimate London will need ~8000, the other 3000 coming from hospital converting their spaces.
I think everyone can agree healthcare needs more funding but are you suggesting that London alone should have 8000 more ICU beds at all times? That is clearly nonsense. More beds would have been necessary regardless of the funding - that can been seen from the evidence from every country in the world.
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I thought it was interesting Andy Burnham made the point the other day he wouldn't criticise the Gov for lack of ICU beds as he was health secretary when Swine Flu hit and he was desperate to find ICU capacity as they didn't have enough then even though Labour had been in power for 10 years and spending billions on the NHS and this is worse than swine flu.
He made the point you cannot have 50,000 ICU beds sitting there never used for 10, 15, 20 years but what you need is the ability to build/create that capacity quickly. | | | |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:56 - Mar 31 with 1852 views | Pinewoodblue |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:50 - Mar 31 by StokieBlue |
Interesting article which I think highlights some of the difficulties the government have had with the moving situation. Also highlights that things like ventilators could have been purchased previously though.
I think this line is key:
“even in a full pandemic… people should only stay at home if they have symptoms”
Covid19 is unusual in that it is transmissible whilst you have no symptoms. This wasn't the case for SARS at all and isn't the case for flu (asymptomatic people transfer far less than symptomatic). It makes a lot of the historical planning documents fairly useless.
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the Initial response to what was happening has caused problems but the response to those problems has been very good.
Human error is the viruses best friend. |  |
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| NHS Nightingale on 10:57 - Mar 31 with 1842 views | GlasgowBlue |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:54 - Mar 31 by BloomBlue |
I thought it was interesting Andy Burnham made the point the other day he wouldn't criticise the Gov for lack of ICU beds as he was health secretary when Swine Flu hit and he was desperate to find ICU capacity as they didn't have enough then even though Labour had been in power for 10 years and spending billions on the NHS and this is worse than swine flu.
He made the point you cannot have 50,000 ICU beds sitting there never used for 10, 15, 20 years but what you need is the ability to build/create that capacity quickly. |
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, there is a very small minority of posters who are using this crisis to score cheap political points. | |
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| NHS Nightingale on 11:14 - Mar 31 with 1803 views | Lord_Lucan |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:57 - Mar 31 by GlasgowBlue |
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, there is a very small minority of posters who are using this crisis to score cheap political points. |
They are simply enjoying rowing against the tide, the sort of people you do definitely don't want next to you in a crisis. | |
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| NHS Nightingale on 11:32 - Mar 31 with 1724 views | BlueBadger |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:26 - Mar 31 by ElephantintheRoom |
Too little too late - its essentially a gigantic PR exercise - albeit an impressively effective one..
Have you any idea what the population of London is - and how soon this will be full - if needed? And where any ventilators needed might come from as the proper hospitals are already desperately short.
Just imagine if we had a government that prioritised health care and the economy over tax cuts and poisonous EU dogma.... it might not have been necessary in the first place. |
It must be difficult being an Internet Edgelord at the moment what with even most of the conservative party attempting to be decent human beings at the moment. |  |
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| NHS Nightingale on 11:33 - Mar 31 with 1719 views | Swansea_Blue |
| NHS Nightingale on 10:26 - Mar 31 by ElephantintheRoom |
Too little too late - its essentially a gigantic PR exercise - albeit an impressively effective one..
Have you any idea what the population of London is - and how soon this will be full - if needed? And where any ventilators needed might come from as the proper hospitals are already desperately short.
Just imagine if we had a government that prioritised health care and the economy over tax cuts and poisonous EU dogma.... it might not have been necessary in the first place. |
I don't think it's a PR stunt, more a desperate last ditch effort to provide a little bit of extra capacity. But it's tiny in the grand scheme of things. We've lost over 160,000 beds in the NHS in England alone over the last 30 years.
If this new facility can save a few lives then that's fantastic for those people, so it's well worth doing, but we should have this type of extra capacity in the system already.
That excellent article posted yesterday sums up the desperate position we're in pretty well:
https://members.tortoisemedia.com/2020/03/30/chris-cook-coronavirus-nhs-at-capac |  |
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| NHS Nightingale on 11:36 - Mar 31 with 1711 views | sparks |
| NHS Nightingale on 11:33 - Mar 31 by Swansea_Blue |
I don't think it's a PR stunt, more a desperate last ditch effort to provide a little bit of extra capacity. But it's tiny in the grand scheme of things. We've lost over 160,000 beds in the NHS in England alone over the last 30 years.
If this new facility can save a few lives then that's fantastic for those people, so it's well worth doing, but we should have this type of extra capacity in the system already.
That excellent article posted yesterday sums up the desperate position we're in pretty well:
https://members.tortoisemedia.com/2020/03/30/chris-cook-coronavirus-nhs-at-capac |
In fairness- this is about ICU beds not beds as a whole, which is a different (though connected) matter. | |
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| NHS Nightingale on 11:41 - Mar 31 with 1700 views | Swansea_Blue |
Just to add, we'd welcome something like this in Wales. We've about 170-180 critical care beds for the whole of Wales. Bangor, where people were flocking to the nearby Snowdonia in there thousands just over a week ago, has 6 ICU beds apparently.
But we have been testing NHS frontline staff for a couple of weeks now. | |
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| NHS Nightingale on 11:42 - Mar 31 with 1694 views | BlueBadger |
| NHS Nightingale on 11:36 - Mar 31 by sparks |
In fairness- this is about ICU beds not beds as a whole, which is a different (though connected) matter. |
Going into this, we had just over half the capacity Italy(swamped very quickly) had. After the H1N1 outbreak of 2009/10 recommendations were made to increase capacity. They were ignored.
Every winter has seen increasing strain on beds due to entirely predictable increases in demand - yet capacity has gone down and support services such as social care and community services have been cut and fragmented. This is all a hurried, gambled, desperate game of catch-up on the part of a government that has been wilfully running services down chasing the 'private sector will fix all' dogma.
Even now they're still doing it - the refusal to co-operate with the EU on ventilators supplies and PPE is still woefully short and inadequate. [Post edited 31 Mar 2020 13:42]
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