| Not a good day for the Government in the media 10:16 - Apr 2 with 9227 views | itfcjoe |
Seems almost every front page has turned on them
They are in a mess with all this testing, or lack of testing - and not communicating a clear message now. The lockdown was probably too late, and now the death toll is rising whilst 'Stay at home, stay safe' is still the only message
WHO have been saying Test, Test, Test - 2.5 weeks ago we said we wouldn't be testing - and now we need to start testing we are way behind the rest of the world in sourcing anything.
Boris wanted to come out of this looking like Churchill, he won't. |  |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:19 - Apr 2 with 5675 views | Bluefish |
The government should give a clear message and they haven't, they should also only announce targets that they intend to meet.
I would like to know the specific benefits of testing though. All it does at this stage is help statistics. They is no antidote and it is not known if you can catch it twice |  |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:20 - Apr 2 with 5680 views | gordon |
Yup, it's been handled really poorly - there more than a whiff of hubris and British exceptionalism about our early pronouncements before we had to change approach. [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 10:24]
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:22 - Apr 2 with 5670 views | factual_blue |
He'll look like Churchill after the Gallipoli disaster.
He won't seek to atone like Churchill did after the Gallipoli disaster. |  |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:23 - Apr 2 with 5647 views | factual_blue |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:20 - Apr 2 by gordon |
Yup, it's been handled really poorly - there more than a whiff of hubris and British exceptionalism about our early pronouncements before we had to change approach. [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 10:24]
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And the Prime Minister and the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care are hiding from the public gaze with 'mild symptoms'. | |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:23 - Apr 2 with 5643 views | gordon |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:19 - Apr 2 by Bluefish |
The government should give a clear message and they haven't, they should also only announce targets that they intend to meet.
I would like to know the specific benefits of testing though. All it does at this stage is help statistics. They is no antidote and it is not known if you can catch it twice |
It's the government's fault that people are confused about this in my opinion - they were the ones communicating that testing wasn't going to be important in this stage, and now they are saying that it's their main objective.
In terms of the benefits of testing, it depends on how much you're enjoying lockdown! | | | |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:26 - Apr 2 with 5630 views | itfcjoe |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:19 - Apr 2 by Bluefish |
The government should give a clear message and they haven't, they should also only announce targets that they intend to meet.
I would like to know the specific benefits of testing though. All it does at this stage is help statistics. They is no antidote and it is not known if you can catch it twice |
Realistically the only days the press conferences have gone well is when Rishi stood up - he seems to be the only minister capable of understanding and being all over his brief. Knowing the detail as well as the big picture stuff.
The only message is staying at home, and even that is a mixed message for certain industries - with a special eye on construction as that is what I am in.
For a party (whose current inner circle was Vote leave) that were relentless, and very good at getting the messages of 'Take Back Control' and 'Get Brexit Done' across with real discipline they seem lost at the moment.
But that is because they have made mistakes and are playing catch up - which is ridiculous considering that we were behind Italy, Spain, etc and had a head start | |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:27 - Apr 2 with 5615 views | BloomBlue |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:23 - Apr 2 by gordon |
It's the government's fault that people are confused about this in my opinion - they were the ones communicating that testing wasn't going to be important in this stage, and now they are saying that it's their main objective.
In terms of the benefits of testing, it depends on how much you're enjoying lockdown! |
But the current test will only tell you that you have CV and that will mean you have to self isolate, it's the antibody test which will help with the lockdown and correctly they need to test that will work |  | | |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:28 - Apr 2 with 5607 views | gordon |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:26 - Apr 2 by itfcjoe |
Realistically the only days the press conferences have gone well is when Rishi stood up - he seems to be the only minister capable of understanding and being all over his brief. Knowing the detail as well as the big picture stuff.
The only message is staying at home, and even that is a mixed message for certain industries - with a special eye on construction as that is what I am in.
For a party (whose current inner circle was Vote leave) that were relentless, and very good at getting the messages of 'Take Back Control' and 'Get Brexit Done' across with real discipline they seem lost at the moment.
But that is because they have made mistakes and are playing catch up - which is ridiculous considering that we were behind Italy, Spain, etc and had a head start |
It helped that Rishi was giving away loads of money, and doesn't have to defend the epidemiological approach, though. | | | |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:28 - Apr 2 with 5600 views | itfcjoe |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:28 - Apr 2 by gordon |
It helped that Rishi was giving away loads of money, and doesn't have to defend the epidemiological approach, though. |
That is of course very true, but even without that he did seem to be the most on top of what he was delivering | |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:31 - Apr 2 with 5588 views | gordon |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:27 - Apr 2 by BloomBlue |
But the current test will only tell you that you have CV and that will mean you have to self isolate, it's the antibody test which will help with the lockdown and correctly they need to test that will work |
But South Korean society is basically functioning with quick, widespread, effective testing.
The antibody test actually has the potential to create serious societal problems. | | | |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:37 - Apr 2 with 5543 views | giant_stow |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:31 - Apr 2 by gordon |
But South Korean society is basically functioning with quick, widespread, effective testing.
The antibody test actually has the potential to create serious societal problems. |
Re your second line, how so? |  |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:37 - Apr 2 with 5546 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
Even the most partisan Telegraph. |  |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:38 - Apr 2 with 5548 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:22 - Apr 2 by factual_blue |
He'll look like Churchill after the Gallipoli disaster.
He won't seek to atone like Churchill did after the Gallipoli disaster. |
I think he's doing a fantastic impression of a war time PM - Chamberlain. Worth remembering what had to happen to him before we could make any progress.
You know things are bad for them when the now rag-like Telegraph turns. Hopefully this'll be the start of the path to redemption for the Torygraph. Even though it's not my cup of tea, it's sad to see that historic paper in such a state these days. |  |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:40 - Apr 2 with 5530 views | BloomBlue |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:31 - Apr 2 by gordon |
But South Korean society is basically functioning with quick, widespread, effective testing.
The antibody test actually has the potential to create serious societal problems. |
But that was after their peak, you have to have a peak before that approach is successful if not you open lockdown and the spread will start up again. South Koran wants the antibody test like all countries because they know that's better than the current test, it's a game changer. The current test will only tell you, you have it and by that time you've spread it around.
So tracking who/where you go is just as important as the current test, basically the Gov or you need to track everywhere you go and what you do and then if you test positive they can quickly isolate you and others you've been in contact with, but that opens up a different social questions about the Gov tracking your movement which people in SK are happy with. | | | |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:44 - Apr 2 with 5505 views | monytowbray |
Does this mean the papers are “Political point scoring” too?  I got dog’s abuse for saying we’re not testing enough over a week ago.
The handling of this whole ordeal has been completely winged by our government, with continual incorrect or late actions, no real short term vision for how it affects most the population day to day with finances, yet people are swallowing every bit of spin they throw.
As I said yesterday, many people seem to be in an abusive relationship with the Tories and still can’t see they are being gaslighted. “Herd immunity” was never the plan too apparently. |  |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:46 - Apr 2 with 5480 views | monytowbray |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:40 - Apr 2 by BloomBlue |
But that was after their peak, you have to have a peak before that approach is successful if not you open lockdown and the spread will start up again. South Koran wants the antibody test like all countries because they know that's better than the current test, it's a game changer. The current test will only tell you, you have it and by that time you've spread it around.
So tracking who/where you go is just as important as the current test, basically the Gov or you need to track everywhere you go and what you do and then if you test positive they can quickly isolate you and others you've been in contact with, but that opens up a different social questions about the Gov tracking your movement which people in SK are happy with. |
More people having the ability to know they’ve got it and tell others they’ve been around would be useful without tracking people though. We don’t track people with STIs but information helps prevent passing it on. | |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:51 - Apr 2 with 5449 views | m14_blue |
They desperately need to get on top of the 2 things they’ve been waffling about for weeks - PPE and testing.
It’s not good enough to just roll out sound bites about ‘ramping it up’, it’s been weeks, people are dying, and they just aren’t delivering what they said they would.
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:52 - Apr 2 with 5439 views | BrianTablet |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:22 - Apr 2 by factual_blue |
He'll look like Churchill after the Gallipoli disaster.
He won't seek to atone like Churchill did after the Gallipoli disaster. |
For a minute there, I thought you meant he'll look like a drooling, overweight, in-bred bulldog. |  |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:52 - Apr 2 with 5437 views | monytowbray |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:51 - Apr 2 by m14_blue |
They desperately need to get on top of the 2 things they’ve been waffling about for weeks - PPE and testing.
It’s not good enough to just roll out sound bites about ‘ramping it up’, it’s been weeks, people are dying, and they just aren’t delivering what they said they would.
It seems like absolute rank incompetence. |
It’s been the case since day one.
Almost as if you can’t trust authority by default. | |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:54 - Apr 2 with 5421 views | itfcjoe |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:37 - Apr 2 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Even the most partisan Telegraph. |
I wonder if the headline, and photo especially, would have been the same if it was Boris on the podium last night.
I know he isn't to everyone's taste - but Alastair Campbell been very good on Twitter over last few weeks with how the communication strategies are failing | |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:54 - Apr 2 with 5410 views | gordon |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:37 - Apr 2 by giant_stow |
Re your second line, how so? |
If we're imagining a situation where people take the antibody test and if it shows you've had the virus you can go back to normal, then:
a) it's infeasible that there will be enough antibody tests for everyone for a very long time, so who will they be allocated to?
b) they would be hoarded if they were available to buy - you would just buy loads of them to test yourself every couple of weeks just in case.
c) They would reward those individuals that were less diligent in the initial phase of the outbreak, and caught it by e.g. going out to the pub in contradiction to the advice (and penalise those who effectively practised social distancing).
d) this would create an incentive for individuals to catch the virus, so they could get to the stage of being allowed to go back to normal quicker
e) how would people prove their test results - and would people be able to obtain fakes of these - would the police be able to stop people on the streets and ask to see their test results?
These are just some of the problems - the idea that it is a silver bullet is massively misguided, and is again the result of awful government communication. [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 11:01]
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 11:01 - Apr 2 with 5362 views | gordon |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:40 - Apr 2 by BloomBlue |
But that was after their peak, you have to have a peak before that approach is successful if not you open lockdown and the spread will start up again. South Koran wants the antibody test like all countries because they know that's better than the current test, it's a game changer. The current test will only tell you, you have it and by that time you've spread it around.
So tracking who/where you go is just as important as the current test, basically the Gov or you need to track everywhere you go and what you do and then if you test positive they can quickly isolate you and others you've been in contact with, but that opens up a different social questions about the Gov tracking your movement which people in SK are happy with. |
Your references to peaks in the first paragraph isn't correct. Infection rates in the UK are pretty much known to be far, far higher in the UK compared to South Korea - they've probably detected almost all their cases and have a rate of 3 cases per million, while we've detected 35 cases per million, while maybe detecting 1/10 cases.
The reason they were able to open up has nothing to do with peaks. [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 11:02]
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 11:02 - Apr 2 with 5359 views | Mullet |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:22 - Apr 2 by factual_blue |
He'll look like Churchill after the Gallipoli disaster.
He won't seek to atone like Churchill did after the Gallipoli disaster. |
Precisely, there's plenty of Churchills he's been like, just not the one people remember fondly.
I'm still baffled by all the Tory apologists and "shut up and sport our Boris" type posturing, can only assume it's fear and blind loyalty. The knock on effects of not coming down on those flouting the advice and measures and mealy-mouthed communication of "jam for all" with no real substance is not being counted and felt in full yet it seems.
The Dyson scandal will come back to light afterwards too unfortunately. |  |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 11:03 - Apr 2 with 5346 views | Mullet |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:54 - Apr 2 by itfcjoe |
I wonder if the headline, and photo especially, would have been the same if it was Boris on the podium last night.
I know he isn't to everyone's taste - but Alastair Campbell been very good on Twitter over last few weeks with how the communication strategies are failing |
Yeah, I've felt a little sick in my mouth reading him and Piers Morgan and finding myself agreeing at times this past month. | |
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| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 11:04 - Apr 2 with 5338 views | WeWereZombies |
| Not a good day for the Government in the media on 10:26 - Apr 2 by itfcjoe |
Realistically the only days the press conferences have gone well is when Rishi stood up - he seems to be the only minister capable of understanding and being all over his brief. Knowing the detail as well as the big picture stuff.
The only message is staying at home, and even that is a mixed message for certain industries - with a special eye on construction as that is what I am in.
For a party (whose current inner circle was Vote leave) that were relentless, and very good at getting the messages of 'Take Back Control' and 'Get Brexit Done' across with real discipline they seem lost at the moment.
But that is because they have made mistakes and are playing catch up - which is ridiculous considering that we were behind Italy, Spain, etc and had a head start |
There is a First Minister who has handled press conferences and communication of strategy well, as she usually does - and I say this as someone who is unlikely to ever vote SNP, but I cannot see a Government of national unity (actually cross national unity) being formed under Nicola without howls of anguish and protest. |  |
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