| Overrated Town players 09:26 - Apr 12 with 11149 views | judespiveyg |
I feel like best and worst Ipswich players are discussed to death on here, so I'd be interested to see which players people thought were generally overrated by our fanbase. This doesn't mean they weren't good but instead that you couldn't understand what all the fuss was about.
I'll start...
Cristophe Berra- Good defender, but was talked up like one of the best in the league even though he could barely complete a five yard pass at times.
Aaron Cresswell- By all means has gone on to prove me wrong. The best crosser of the ball I've ever seen Ipswich have but honestly never blew me away as a defender, always thought Mings was better for us.
Keith Andrews- We've been so starved of midfielders who can score goals that people think Andrews was actually good. He barely even ran. Jonathan Douglas with a good shot.
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| Overrated Town players on 11:12 - Apr 13 with 1895 views | peterleeblue |
| Overrated Town players on 10:05 - Apr 12 by Radlett_blue |
And Reuser. Two players who would both occasionally do something amazing, but weren't always trusted by their managers (who will know a lot more about pro football than us) because of what they didn't do when they didn't have the ball. |
Pablo is the current answer.
Purely on an adulation versus output basis there is no comparison |  | | |
| Overrated Town players on 11:47 - Apr 13 with 1881 views | JDB23 |
Not a player but more a generalisation, Ipswich Town academy.
Seems to still be a belief that we have some amazing academy but how many players have we produced in the last 20 years that have had a good career and championship level and above? Most of them are players who stayed with us because we couldn’t afford anything else and when they left it was always a step down. We still see it now with players coming through being hyped up but every academy of a club our size is producing the same if not better quality. |  | | |
| Overrated Town players on 11:53 - Apr 13 with 1873 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Overrated Town players on 11:07 - Apr 13 by LancsBlue |
Gareh McAuley? The centre-half berated by the usual knobs at PR who went on to be widely recognised as one of the best centre-halves in the Premier League for many seasons, won 80 caps for his country and was awarded the MBE, that Gareth McAuley? |
Never understood the dislike of McA.
For some reason would always start the season slowly, but once he was up and running, he was immense.
I would say he’s one of our best CBs since relegation, certainly excluding loanees. |  |
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| Overrated Town players on 12:17 - Apr 13 with 1847 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Overrated Town players on 11:47 - Apr 13 by JDB23 |
Not a player but more a generalisation, Ipswich Town academy.
Seems to still be a belief that we have some amazing academy but how many players have we produced in the last 20 years that have had a good career and championship level and above? Most of them are players who stayed with us because we couldn’t afford anything else and when they left it was always a step down. We still see it now with players coming through being hyped up but every academy of a club our size is producing the same if not better quality. |
Ambrose
Bent
Wickham
Rhodes
Wright
Bramble
All played the majority of their careers at a higher level than us. Possibly could exclude Rhodes from that list I guess due to his time at Huddersfield, but had almost as good a strike rate at Blackburn over a higher number of games.
Dozzell, Downes and Woolfenden will go on to do likewise. | |
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| Overrated Town players on 16:15 - Apr 13 with 1796 views | IPS_wich |
Kuqi - a shambles of a player who had one brief purple patch. One of the worst players to pull on the Town shirt before the Evans era. | | | |
| Overrated Town players on 16:34 - Apr 13 with 1786 views | Radlett_blue |
| Overrated Town players on 12:17 - Apr 13 by ITFC_Forever |
Ambrose
Bent
Wickham
Rhodes
Wright
Bramble
All played the majority of their careers at a higher level than us. Possibly could exclude Rhodes from that list I guess due to his time at Huddersfield, but had almost as good a strike rate at Blackburn over a higher number of games.
Dozzell, Downes and Woolfenden will go on to do likewise. |
Downes & Woolfenden have always looked to me like they would go on to better things. Not sure about Dozzell - seems a bit lightweight & never imposes himself on a game. Technically very good & hence his success at various youth levels. I think he would do well in an overseas league where the football is more technical such as the Dutch league & not sure if the hurly-burly of the English leagues is for him. |  |
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| Overrated Town players on 16:50 - Apr 13 with 1782 views | Churchman |
| Overrated Town players on 16:15 - Apr 13 by IPS_wich |
Kuqi - a shambles of a player who had one brief purple patch. One of the worst players to pull on the Town shirt before the Evans era. |
I’ll have to disagree on that. I thought he looked a shambles and his touch wasn’t the best. For a big man, his heading wasn’t great either. He could look cumbersome and slow, but actually had decent pace for a big man.
I thought his positional sense was good, he brought Darren Bent into the game, caused mayhem at times, was big, muscular and committed. He also scored a goal or two (34 in 90 games) and that celebration of his was worth the entrance money alone. It should be remembered that the team behind him and Bent was not the best to represent Town and they had to make an awful lot for themselves.
Kuqi, was no Paul Mariner, Ray Crawford, David Johnson x2, Whymark or Stewart, but we’ve had a lot worse playing for us up front. I liked him. He was a character and made me smile. [Post edited 13 Apr 2020 16:53]
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| Overrated Town players on 16:56 - Apr 13 with 1773 views | DinnernotTea |
| Overrated Town players on 11:07 - Apr 13 by LancsBlue |
Gareh McAuley? The centre-half berated by the usual knobs at PR who went on to be widely recognised as one of the best centre-halves in the Premier League for many seasons, won 80 caps for his country and was awarded the MBE, that Gareth McAuley? |
That's the one, you've got it. Like Delaney (have a look at his caps/Prem apps). No way did both show that form here.
Unbelievably overated in an IPSWICH shirt. | |
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| Overrated Town players on 17:38 - Apr 13 with 1758 views | JDB23 |
| Overrated Town players on 12:17 - Apr 13 by ITFC_Forever |
Ambrose
Bent
Wickham
Rhodes
Wright
Bramble
All played the majority of their careers at a higher level than us. Possibly could exclude Rhodes from that list I guess due to his time at Huddersfield, but had almost as good a strike rate at Blackburn over a higher number of games.
Dozzell, Downes and Woolfenden will go on to do likewise. |
Wright and Bramble were more than 20 years ago, Bent & Ambrose only just inside 20 years. We really haven't produced much quality this century, even less so the last decade. | | | |
| Overrated Town players on 17:42 - Apr 13 with 1756 views | sparks |
| Overrated Town players on 17:38 - Apr 13 by JDB23 |
Wright and Bramble were more than 20 years ago, Bent & Ambrose only just inside 20 years. We really haven't produced much quality this century, even less so the last decade. |
Jack Marriott. Matt Clarke.
There was certain a fall off over the last ten years, hopefully being put right now. |  |
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| Overrated Town players on 17:50 - Apr 13 with 1747 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Overrated Town players on 17:38 - Apr 13 by JDB23 |
Wright and Bramble were more than 20 years ago, Bent & Ambrose only just inside 20 years. We really haven't produced much quality this century, even less so the last decade. |
Bramble and Wright both left us in the last 20 years.
Their development doesn’t finish when they make their first team debut. [Post edited 13 Apr 2020 17:51]
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| Overrated Town players on 18:33 - Apr 13 with 1717 views | Radlett_blue |
| Overrated Town players on 17:38 - Apr 13 by JDB23 |
Wright and Bramble were more than 20 years ago, Bent & Ambrose only just inside 20 years. We really haven't produced much quality this century, even less so the last decade. |
I think the big problem was when academy recruitment was limited to those within a 2 hour drive of Ipswich. Not a big pool in which to trawl & the Budgies have trawled it more effectively. Back in the 1970s most of our best players whom we developed seemed to have come from Scotland or the North East, where we must have a had a couple of very good scouts. | |
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| Overrated Town players on 18:42 - Apr 13 with 1716 views | NthQldITFC |
Can't believe the number of people who couldn't and still can't see just what a quality player Counago was. He wasn't a big lad, but the way he trapped anything hit at him, held the ball up, and brought other players into the move was exceptional. Like McGoldrick but better again. |  |
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| Overrated Town players on 19:05 - Apr 13 with 1706 views | sparks |
| Overrated Town players on 18:42 - Apr 13 by NthQldITFC |
Can't believe the number of people who couldn't and still can't see just what a quality player Counago was. He wasn't a big lad, but the way he trapped anything hit at him, held the ball up, and brought other players into the move was exceptional. Like McGoldrick but better again. |
People who backed Royle- automatically backed his position on Pablo. "Mediteranean injury" indeed. | |
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| Overrated Town players on 19:09 - Apr 13 with 1700 views | DinnernotTea |
| Overrated Town players on 18:42 - Apr 13 by NthQldITFC |
Can't believe the number of people who couldn't and still can't see just what a quality player Counago was. He wasn't a big lad, but the way he trapped anything hit at him, held the ball up, and brought other players into the move was exceptional. Like McGoldrick but better again. |
He would do this 6 out of 46 games. There's the issue. | |
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| Overrated Town players on 19:11 - Apr 13 with 1697 views | sparks |
| Overrated Town players on 19:09 - Apr 13 by DinnernotTea |
He would do this 6 out of 46 games. There's the issue. |
Have you ever looked at his games played v sub games played v goals? | |
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| Overrated Town players on 19:15 - Apr 13 with 1694 views | DinnernotTea |
| Overrated Town players on 19:11 - Apr 13 by sparks |
Have you ever looked at his games played v sub games played v goals? |
No but I watched him every single season he was here if that goes towards anything? | |
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| Overrated Town players on 20:07 - Apr 13 with 1678 views | stonojnr |
Jordan Rhodes
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Dean Bowditch
and discuss ;) | | | |
| Overrated Town players on 07:32 - Apr 14 with 1585 views | Churchman |
| Overrated Town players on 19:09 - Apr 13 by DinnernotTea |
He would do this 6 out of 46 games. There's the issue. |
In his first spell he scored 31 in 100 appearances. Not bad. His second, 23 from 114, according to Wiki. I think Counago was on his day a lovely player with many good attributes. Not the biggest, but had lovely control and a good shot on him. On the downside, he could go missing in games.
However, as mentioned in another post, strikers have to be fed and that’s true of Counago. A classic example of this is Alan Brazil. A lethal finisher for a few seasons, but he had Muhren and Thijssen behind him and Mariner next to him. They brought the best out in him. It’s noticeable that Pablo’s ratio is worse in his second spell when the team was poorer and by then he’d had a few injuries. I liked Counago. | | | |
| Overrated Town players on 10:31 - Apr 14 with 1551 views | DinnernotTea |
| Overrated Town players on 07:32 - Apr 14 by Churchman |
In his first spell he scored 31 in 100 appearances. Not bad. His second, 23 from 114, according to Wiki. I think Counago was on his day a lovely player with many good attributes. Not the biggest, but had lovely control and a good shot on him. On the downside, he could go missing in games.
However, as mentioned in another post, strikers have to be fed and that’s true of Counago. A classic example of this is Alan Brazil. A lethal finisher for a few seasons, but he had Muhren and Thijssen behind him and Mariner next to him. They brought the best out in him. It’s noticeable that Pablo’s ratio is worse in his second spell when the team was poorer and by then he’d had a few injuries. I liked Counago. |
I liked him don't get me wrong and let's face it none of the current lot are fit to lace his boots but close to God status he has with some fans is insane, considering, he was just a standard second tier footballer. This is why he's in my overrated category.
This is a brilliant thread though. | |
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| Overrated Town players on 10:42 - Apr 14 with 1547 views | IPS_wich |
| Overrated Town players on 10:31 - Apr 14 by DinnernotTea |
I liked him don't get me wrong and let's face it none of the current lot are fit to lace his boots but close to God status he has with some fans is insane, considering, he was just a standard second tier footballer. This is why he's in my overrated category.
This is a brilliant thread though. |
As I said above, I have the same feeling about Kuqi. Some have him as close to god like, but frankly he is technically a worse footballer than most of the players in the current squad.
Norwood reminds me of him a lot, a cult like following for a very limited player who needs 3-4 chances to score one. | | | |
| Overrated Town players on 10:42 - Apr 14 with 1543 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Overrated Town players on 11:07 - Apr 13 by LancsBlue |
Gareh McAuley? The centre-half berated by the usual knobs at PR who went on to be widely recognised as one of the best centre-halves in the Premier League for many seasons, won 80 caps for his country and was awarded the MBE, that Gareth McAuley? |
No he spelled it McCauley so I think he meant the more recent central defensive captain who led us to the third division as player of the season and is lauded by some. The Championship quality right back who everyone claimed was better as a central defender and should not be constantly played out of position. He slightly misspelled it and hence your confusion! |  |
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| Overrated Town players on 13:34 - Apr 14 with 1519 views | Steve_D |
| Overrated Town players on 16:56 - Apr 13 by DinnernotTea |
That's the one, you've got it. Like Delaney (have a look at his caps/Prem apps). No way did both show that form here.
Unbelievably overated in an IPSWICH shirt. |
Always thought Danny Sonner and Darren Ambrose would go on to better things but never really kicked on |  | | |
| Overrated Town players on 15:26 - Apr 14 with 1493 views | Radlett_blue |
| Overrated Town players on 13:34 - Apr 14 by Steve_D |
Always thought Danny Sonner and Darren Ambrose would go on to better things but never really kicked on |
Sonner had ability, but seemed a tad undisciplined & I think off the field issues led to GB getting rid. He still carved out a reasonable career in the 2nd/3rd tiers, which I reckon was his level.
Ambrose did spend a few years as an occasional starter in the Premier League & I'm not sure he was quite the same after a hip operation, so his career petered out in his late 20s but again his career probably reflected his ability. | |
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| Overrated Town players on 16:01 - Apr 14 with 1476 views | tractorshark |
Wickham for me.
Big for his age, bullied the cr*p out of age-group defenders in his youth days.
But never prolific as an adult, very little pace, poor first touch and a questionable fitness record.
His debut was a PR stunt to take the heat off Jim.
Yet still some think of him as the Messiah. One of the few examples of this club cashing in at the right time.
Of the current crop, I would have said Dozzell but there was something in that game against Fleetwood the other week which suggested he could fulfil his potential. That’s the first time I’ve seen him scrap.
We know he’s one of the few capable of creating something but if you keep drifting out of games you’re never going to influence them. That night he looked like he cared.
I know a lot of people laud him but we will only know if he is any good by giving him a run in the side.
But he has to earn that right by not being such a soft touch. At the moment he’s bizarrely a luxury in a bang average midfield and certainly nowhere near a Premier League player as some would believe.
There’s a big difference between signing for a Premier League club and playing for a Premier League club. They can afford to stockpile potential, although that may be about to change. | | | |
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