| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 15:57 - Apr 14 with 1270 views | monytowbray |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 15:43 - Apr 14 by Leaky |
Well they don't vote labour so there not yours lol |
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| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 15:59 - Apr 14 with 1255 views | monytowbray |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 15:51 - Apr 14 by Mullet |
Absolute nonsense. This government have done their damnedest to undermine, denigrate and weaken the NHS and its reputation for years. If people feel clapping and whatnot helps them, so be it.
But to preach about it whilst voting these hypocritical bastards in is utterly baffling. The rhetoric around immigrants in the NHS, the lies about the money they would spend, the threat of privatisation etc. are all on them, and voting for them wasn't done without that stuff being some sort of secret or hidden from view.
The clap stuff is as political as can be from its very inception. It's another propaganda tool the Tories are happy to jump on. Especially the ones who clapped when voting to ensure pay and conditions were not taken care of prior to this. The public need to own those decisions too and decide if they want reform and support or just go through the motions. |
Ha, as if anyone takes the slightest bit of responsibility in the motions that got us here, be it 5 years ago or 4 weeks ago. | |
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| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 16:00 - Apr 14 with 1254 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 12:51 - Apr 14 by NotSure |
I understand you work in the NHS but it's wrong to make this applause political. It's a nice thing and I know my Sister (also NHS) appreciates it greatly. What she doesn't do is ask the people applauding who they voted for! |
Might be elsewhere on this thread but Carrie Symonds (Johnson's partner) was on the radio saying that Boris said he couldn't repay the NHS staff that looked after him enough...... |  |
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| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 16:19 - Apr 14 with 1231 views | Leaky |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 15:59 - Apr 14 by monytowbray |
Ha, as if anyone takes the slightest bit of responsibility in the motions that got us here, be it 5 years ago or 4 weeks ago. |
My partner works in a care home, she is on minimum wage, which is some where less than £10-00 an hour. I feel she should be on around £15 plus an hour. Along with a lot of manual worker's. The problem you have is, if you increase said worker's pay, to that level cost's will also rise. So if care staff earn the wage they deserve who pays for your elderly relatives care. People moan if there house is sold to pay for it, should the state pay for if so taxes have to go up so someone can inherit a house. Perhaps if relatives took responsibility too look after there own, as the Asian community do we wouldn't have a problem |  | | |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 16:33 - Apr 14 with 1208 views | r2d2 |
This thread is just a leftie bum fest. |  | | |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 16:37 - Apr 14 with 1197 views | StokieBlue |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 16:19 - Apr 14 by Leaky |
My partner works in a care home, she is on minimum wage, which is some where less than £10-00 an hour. I feel she should be on around £15 plus an hour. Along with a lot of manual worker's. The problem you have is, if you increase said worker's pay, to that level cost's will also rise. So if care staff earn the wage they deserve who pays for your elderly relatives care. People moan if there house is sold to pay for it, should the state pay for if so taxes have to go up so someone can inherit a house. Perhaps if relatives took responsibility too look after there own, as the Asian community do we wouldn't have a problem |
I don't see why income tax can't be put up to be spent on public services.
The Lib Dems 1p increase for the NHS was supposed to raise 6bn. If this was staggered instead of flat so that it was 1p for basic and 2p for higher rate then that would generate quite a bit more (I don't know the figure).
It's not a lot of money for the individual, it is however a lot of money for a specific public service.
The issue is going to be that after this is all over, any money from tax increases is going to be needed to pay off the financial measures which have been taken against C19 and that's before Brexit is even considered. Given this, things in the short-term might actually get worse for public sector funding.
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| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 16:44 - Apr 14 with 1177 views | factual_blue |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 15:29 - Apr 14 by Leaky |
Doubt it with two kids mate |
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| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 16:45 - Apr 14 with 1176 views | Leaky |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 15:57 - Apr 14 by monytowbray |
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Sorry Sir, didn't check predictive text. Do I have still stand in the naughty corner. | | | |
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| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 16:51 - Apr 14 with 1167 views | Leaky |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 16:44 - Apr 14 by factual_blue |
Philip Schofield has two daughters. |
So he hit the target twice then same as most males. Then had a change of mind. It's a free country. I just decided not to make the adjustments to my life that he did. | | | |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:03 - Apr 14 with 1151 views | Leaky |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 16:37 - Apr 14 by StokieBlue |
I don't see why income tax can't be put up to be spent on public services.
The Lib Dems 1p increase for the NHS was supposed to raise 6bn. If this was staggered instead of flat so that it was 1p for basic and 2p for higher rate then that would generate quite a bit more (I don't know the figure).
It's not a lot of money for the individual, it is however a lot of money for a specific public service.
The issue is going to be that after this is all over, any money from tax increases is going to be needed to pay off the financial measures which have been taken against C19 and that's before Brexit is even considered. Given this, things in the short-term might actually get worse for public sector funding.
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Agree with you Stokie .However would 1% be enough it would take care of the NHS. However the social care for the elderly needs to be financed. Is that through taxation or sale of assets | | | |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:03 - Apr 14 with 1149 views | GeoffSentence |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 13:02 - Apr 14 by Ryorry |
Sky lanterns should be banned, absolute menace, killed numerous farm animals over the years, plus no doubt unknown quantities of wildlife too - probably via slow, painful deaths. |
They are just litter.
Well not just litter they are a fire hazard too.
I also hate those plastic helium balloons too, a couple of minutes of 'doesnt that look pretty' as it floats away then it is litter an plastic pollution. |  |
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| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:10 - Apr 14 with 1144 views | tractorshark |
This whole crisis has turned political because everyone wants someone to blame right now.
That’s completely understandable but, rightly or wrongly, people voted for this government and that’s democracy.
I didn’t want Brexit, didn’t vote for it but here we are stuck with it. Should I alienate or chastise those who did? No. It’s their opinion, they are entitled to it. And if more people share that opinion over mine, then so be it.
It’s the same with the General Election.
I am not particularly impressed with the way the government has handled this crisis but we will never know if Corbyn would have done any better - even if he had won in 2017. Personally, I think his last manifesto was so fanciful it was drawn up by the Fairy Godmother. But that’s just my opinion and others here may disagree.
And that’s the problem with this nation at the moment.
We are getting to the stage where if we don’t agree with something or someone, it becomes unequivocally wrong and should therefore be removed, sacked, stopped, burnt, boycotted or banned.
But most of the time it just comes down to a difference of opinion. It’s ok to agree to disagree. You don’t have to subscribe to other people’s views to recognise they exist.
Anything else is just a step towards censorship and dictatorship.
Social media is a massive issue in this crisis right now. It has become a vehicle of hypocrisy, hysteria and hatred, a modern-day witch hunt which often defies logic.
Just look at the panic buying a few weeks ago or the sick comments after the PM went into hospital. Like him or loathe him, the day people think it is acceptable to wish ill on a fellow human being is the day you lose sight of humanity.
So just because you dislike the Tories, don’t tell people whether they should clap the NHS or not. That’s their choice.
By all means question and challenge the government, that’s important. Likewise, don’t just agree with me or anyone else if you feel differently.
But don’t shut down others with sweeping statements or accusations apportioning blame.
Both the Conservatives and Labour have been guilty of under-funding and squandering money in the NHS during the last 20-odd years.
History will judge our leaders but, more importantly, so will the public.
And, ultimately, they will have the power to do something about it.
Maybe they will agree with you, maybe they won’t. But that’s democracy. |  | | |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:12 - Apr 14 with 1134 views | Leaky |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 16:33 - Apr 14 by r2d2 |
This thread is just a leftie bum fest. |
No its not,I voted Conservative and I'm taking part. You can hopefully have a discussion on this forum in a constructive way. We are all in this sh!it no matter who we voted for, colour , religion, ethnic origin. As long your not from scumland. | | | |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:15 - Apr 14 with 1129 views | BlueBadger |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 16:33 - Apr 14 by r2d2 |
This thread is just a leftie bum fest. |
Imagine STILL supporting the government, even though their actions have led to needless, preventable deaths, both now and over the past decade just because they promised you a blue passport. |  |
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| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:16 - Apr 14 with 1124 views | BlueBadger |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:12 - Apr 14 by Leaky |
No its not,I voted Conservative and I'm taking part. You can hopefully have a discussion on this forum in a constructive way. We are all in this sh!it no matter who we voted for, colour , religion, ethnic origin. As long your not from scumland. |
You're not 'taking part', you've been going 'stop making it political, because you're having a go at people I voted for'. You're being only marginally more sophisticated than the stupid bin-on-legs you're replying to. | |
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| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:19 - Apr 14 with 1126 views | BlueBadger |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:10 - Apr 14 by tractorshark |
This whole crisis has turned political because everyone wants someone to blame right now.
That’s completely understandable but, rightly or wrongly, people voted for this government and that’s democracy.
I didn’t want Brexit, didn’t vote for it but here we are stuck with it. Should I alienate or chastise those who did? No. It’s their opinion, they are entitled to it. And if more people share that opinion over mine, then so be it.
It’s the same with the General Election.
I am not particularly impressed with the way the government has handled this crisis but we will never know if Corbyn would have done any better - even if he had won in 2017. Personally, I think his last manifesto was so fanciful it was drawn up by the Fairy Godmother. But that’s just my opinion and others here may disagree.
And that’s the problem with this nation at the moment.
We are getting to the stage where if we don’t agree with something or someone, it becomes unequivocally wrong and should therefore be removed, sacked, stopped, burnt, boycotted or banned.
But most of the time it just comes down to a difference of opinion. It’s ok to agree to disagree. You don’t have to subscribe to other people’s views to recognise they exist.
Anything else is just a step towards censorship and dictatorship.
Social media is a massive issue in this crisis right now. It has become a vehicle of hypocrisy, hysteria and hatred, a modern-day witch hunt which often defies logic.
Just look at the panic buying a few weeks ago or the sick comments after the PM went into hospital. Like him or loathe him, the day people think it is acceptable to wish ill on a fellow human being is the day you lose sight of humanity.
So just because you dislike the Tories, don’t tell people whether they should clap the NHS or not. That’s their choice.
By all means question and challenge the government, that’s important. Likewise, don’t just agree with me or anyone else if you feel differently.
But don’t shut down others with sweeping statements or accusations apportioning blame.
Both the Conservatives and Labour have been guilty of under-funding and squandering money in the NHS during the last 20-odd years.
History will judge our leaders but, more importantly, so will the public.
And, ultimately, they will have the power to do something about it.
Maybe they will agree with you, maybe they won’t. But that’s democracy. |
It's 'turned political' because incompetent, self-interested and borderline sociopathic politicians obsessed with blue passports, 'the market' and demonising foreigners have made our response to this much, much more dangerous and difficult due their actions now and over the past decade in particular. [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 17:20]
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| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:28 - Apr 14 with 1109 views | Leaky |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:16 - Apr 14 by BlueBadger |
You're not 'taking part', you've been going 'stop making it political, because you're having a go at people I voted for'. You're being only marginally more sophisticated than the stupid bin-on-legs you're replying to. |
I think you have been at the falling over water to much today. All I'm pointing out is we all had A choice as to who we voted for. I obviously made a different choice to you that's democracy.
Which ever way we voted we are all in the same sh!t.. If labour had got in in December they would have no doubt use the same "experts " that the current government are using. So can you tell me how you would do it differently | | | |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:38 - Apr 14 with 1095 views | BlueBadger |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:28 - Apr 14 by Leaky |
I think you have been at the falling over water to much today. All I'm pointing out is we all had A choice as to who we voted for. I obviously made a different choice to you that's democracy.
Which ever way we voted we are all in the same sh!t.. If labour had got in in December they would have no doubt use the same "experts " that the current government are using. So can you tell me how you would do it differently |
Well, for starters, I'd have probably started stockpiling equipmwnt and making preparations for increased service demand back in early February rather than spunking the whole month telling people it wasn't anything to worry about as our government have been doing. For an encore, I probably wouldn't turn down help from our nearest neighbours in the EU and then persistently lie about my reasons for doing so. I'd have probably, when it was evident that lockdown wa the way to go, not allowed events LIKE THE CHELTENHAM FESTIVAL to go ahead. | |
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| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:43 - Apr 14 with 1082 views | r2d2 |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:15 - Apr 14 by BlueBadger |
Imagine STILL supporting the government, even though their actions have led to needless, preventable deaths, both now and over the past decade just because they promised you a blue passport. |
I doubt Labour would have done much better. If the equipment isnt there because supplies arnt available l very much doubt it would have been available to a Labour government either. We all want it here, me included, but the whole world wants the same stuff. All countries are struggling to get the equipment needed. Corbyn and his party got battered at the elections. None of this will change that over night. | | | |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:48 - Apr 14 with 1078 views | BlueBadger |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:43 - Apr 14 by r2d2 |
I doubt Labour would have done much better. If the equipment isnt there because supplies arnt available l very much doubt it would have been available to a Labour government either. We all want it here, me included, but the whole world wants the same stuff. All countries are struggling to get the equipment needed. Corbyn and his party got battered at the elections. None of this will change that over night. |
Would they have also decided to refuse help from the EU and then lie about it? Would they be accusing NHS staff of wasting resources? Would have spent the past ten years undermining the service?
The simple fact is, we needed to start preparing, releasing funds for sticking up and seeking help much earlier and it hasn't been done. Sneering about 'what would Labour do' is largely irrelevant, because they're not in charge. The current shower are and there is so much they could and should be doing much, much better. [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 17:51]
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| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:50 - Apr 14 with 1072 views | r2d2 |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:38 - Apr 14 by BlueBadger |
Well, for starters, I'd have probably started stockpiling equipmwnt and making preparations for increased service demand back in early February rather than spunking the whole month telling people it wasn't anything to worry about as our government have been doing. For an encore, I probably wouldn't turn down help from our nearest neighbours in the EU and then persistently lie about my reasons for doing so. I'd have probably, when it was evident that lockdown wa the way to go, not allowed events LIKE THE CHELTENHAM FESTIVAL to go ahead. |
Incidentally. The Tories and LABOUR are guilty of underfunding the NHS for decades now. | | | |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:53 - Apr 14 with 1063 views | bluelagos |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:50 - Apr 14 by r2d2 |
Incidentally. The Tories and LABOUR are guilty of underfunding the NHS for decades now. |
Why you shouting R2D2? Stressed? You should maybe get out and do some exercise. It's really quite therapeutic in these difficult times. |  |
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| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:54 - Apr 14 with 1058 views | BlueBadger |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:50 - Apr 14 by r2d2 |
Incidentally. The Tories and LABOUR are guilty of underfunding the NHS for decades now. |
But the Tories have been in charge for the past decade now. The Tories have been pursing a Brexit policy that's actively hamstrung nursing recruitment over the past 4 years, they've also abolished nursing student bursaries leading to a drop in domestic recruitment as well. On top of all this, real-arms funding has fallen significantly over the past decade and we've been saddled with a massive top-down reform that's made the service more disjointed and wastes upwards of £4BN a year on management and admin.
Saying 'they're both as bad as each other' is deflection and whatabouttery of the most pathetic nature when the past decade has been spent systematically undermining the service by one party exclusively. | |
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| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:55 - Apr 14 with 1052 views | r2d2 |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:53 - Apr 14 by bluelagos |
Why you shouting R2D2? Stressed? You should maybe get out and do some exercise. It's really quite therapeutic in these difficult times. |
Thought you were out on your bike? | | | |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:56 - Apr 14 with 1049 views | BlueBadger |
| Two things NOT to do if you wish to show your support on Thursday on 17:55 - Apr 14 by r2d2 |
Thought you were out on your bike? |
I'm guessing he's back in now. It's not he's got a massive village green to cycle round. | |
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