| Black lives matter... 23:53 - Jun 6 with 14933 views | Girthyguy |
I'm sure il get banned for this but why do black lives matter more than any other colour? I really don't give a monkeys C..T what colour skin or religion anyone is aslong as they respect anyone of any religion or colour opposing their own. Is there any statistics out their proving Injustices whether it be white cops killing black suspects or vice versa. Just through personal experience black people get a free pass to racially abuse White people because of what I can only assume as their historical past. Can somebody please set the record straight for me and prove via facts that these protests are worth more than the lives it will kill and destroy due to the lack of social distancing. After all the BAME community are more susceptible to this killer virus that's sweeping across the world. Ps. I just want to be educated so I can understand better the reasons behind this rebellion that's probably going to cause more death and suffering than good.
Thank you.
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| Black lives matter... on 12:29 - Jun 7 with 2707 views | Herbivore |
| Black lives matter... on 12:28 - Jun 7 by Ryorry |
Well yes, people who trouble to educate themselves (like most on this thread thankfully) get to understand that - the problem is the tens of millions (hundreds of millions globally?) who don't, and assume that it means *all* white people are said to be living privileged lives - was my point. |
To be frank, those that take it that way couldn't really give a toss about societal racism anyway. |  |
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| Black lives matter... on 12:29 - Jun 7 with 2708 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Black lives matter... on 10:08 - Jun 7 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I think to explain the BLM movement to people who say all lives matter, it's fairly simply.
They are not saying black lives matter more, they are saying black lives matter TOO. |
Quite. I'm amazed at how many people can't grasp this very simple point. |  |
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| Black lives matter... on 12:39 - Jun 7 with 2683 views | CBBlue |
| Black lives matter... on 12:29 - Jun 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Quite. I'm amazed at how many people can't grasp this very simple point. |
Indeed. And it's been very disappointing to see just how many either can't or willfully refuse to. Social Media has been a depressing place seeing people I know on FB groups (luckily not friends) fall into these categories. | |
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| Black lives matter... on 12:40 - Jun 7 with 2669 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Black lives matter... on 09:47 - Jun 7 by mikeybloo88 |
Just to sy they're knowingly risking other peoples health too...if it was just their own health at risk I'd say fine, go protest all you want, only you can catch covid from squashing into a London square with 15000 others....but it isn't, is it? No mass gatherings, whether attempting to socially distance or not, should be happening, be that protests, on beaches or whatever...for the good of us all no matter what our colour. |
I think that's a valid point. We're in the middle of a global pandemic involving a highly contagious virus for which there is no vaccine.
I've struggled to weigh the two issues. The closest I've come to is that BLM is the bigger, longer-standing issue. Covid is more urgent. I'm reluctant to say Covid should have precedence as I'm aware I'm a white dude speaking from a point of ignorance about BLM. BLM may well be a much the larger issue of the two in the black community (racial oppression has been by far the greater killer after all, and these people live with racism daily).
Could people wait to protest? Ideally, but you can't pick the timing of the trigger and these protests have gathered a momentum that's almost impossible to control. And who am I to tell black people to be quiet and wait - I can't speak on their behalf.
It's a muddled mess in my head (as most things are!). | |
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| Black lives matter... on 12:41 - Jun 7 with 2662 views | footers |
| Black lives matter... on 12:28 - Jun 7 by Ryorry |
Well yes, people who trouble to educate themselves (like most on this thread thankfully) get to understand that - the problem is the tens of millions (hundreds of millions globally?) who don't, and assume that it means *all* white people are said to be living privileged lives - was my point. |
If you don't bother to educate yourself on the matter, there's probably a reason why. But I'll leave what that is up to you :) |  |
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| Black lives matter... on 12:42 - Jun 7 with 2656 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Black lives matter... on 12:39 - Jun 7 by CBBlue |
Indeed. And it's been very disappointing to see just how many either can't or willfully refuse to. Social Media has been a depressing place seeing people I know on FB groups (luckily not friends) fall into these categories. |
Yep, it's extremely depressing on social media. It's a full blown culture war again and a continuation of the normalisation of racism and division. | |
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| Black lives matter... on 12:45 - Jun 7 with 2650 views | Ryorry |
| Black lives matter... on 12:29 - Jun 7 by Herbivore |
To be frank, those that take it that way couldn't really give a toss about societal racism anyway. |
I disagree, I think many people are simply unaware of what the term means and would quickly jump on board if it's politely explained what it really does mean (as others on here had done previously).
Just bashing them over the head & dismissing them all with generalisations such as "To be frank, those that take it that way couldn't really give a toss about societal racism anyway" just perpetuates their lack of awareness & could even increase hostility.
Good language promotes good understanding. |  |
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| Black lives matter... on 12:56 - Jun 7 with 2630 views | Herbivore |
| Black lives matter... on 12:45 - Jun 7 by Ryorry |
I disagree, I think many people are simply unaware of what the term means and would quickly jump on board if it's politely explained what it really does mean (as others on here had done previously).
Just bashing them over the head & dismissing them all with generalisations such as "To be frank, those that take it that way couldn't really give a toss about societal racism anyway" just perpetuates their lack of awareness & could even increase hostility.
Good language promotes good understanding. |
I think that's a very naive view. | |
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| Black lives matter... on 12:59 - Jun 7 with 2619 views | Ryorry |
| Black lives matter... on 12:56 - Jun 7 by Herbivore |
I think that's a very naive view. |
And I think yours is very narrow. I know people who *have* got on board once the term is explained. | |
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| Black lives matter... on 13:01 - Jun 7 with 2615 views | noggin |
Anyone questioning white privilege in the UK should read Natives by Akala. |  |
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| Black lives matter... on 13:02 - Jun 7 with 2611 views | SpruceMoose |
It isn't black people's responsibility to make systemic racism more palatable to the ears and feelings of white people though. |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Black lives matter... on 13:22 - Jun 7 with 2575 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Black lives matter... on 13:02 - Jun 7 by SpruceMoose |
It isn't black people's responsibility to make systemic racism more palatable to the ears and feelings of white people though. |
The point of the protests is to make people listen, and if the message is clearer then that can only be good for all.
Try not to be so polarised in your views.
Togetherness, not division.
You'll have seen that I translated the BLM message quite simply further down the thread. [Post edited 7 Jun 2020 13:24]
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| Black lives matter... on 13:23 - Jun 7 with 2568 views | Herbivore |
| Black lives matter... on 12:59 - Jun 7 by Ryorry |
And I think yours is very narrow. I know people who *have* got on board once the term is explained. |
Good for you. | |
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| Black lives matter... on 13:26 - Jun 7 with 2564 views | SpruceMoose |
| Black lives matter... on 13:22 - Jun 7 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The point of the protests is to make people listen, and if the message is clearer then that can only be good for all.
Try not to be so polarised in your views.
Togetherness, not division.
You'll have seen that I translated the BLM message quite simply further down the thread. [Post edited 7 Jun 2020 13:24]
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You don't actually care about any of this do you? This 'but muh both sides' act is just to cover that up. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Black lives matter... on 13:30 - Jun 7 with 2548 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Black lives matter... on 13:26 - Jun 7 by SpruceMoose |
You don't actually care about any of this do you? This 'but muh both sides' act is just to cover that up. |
Will have to agree to differ on that.
I'm sorry if my posts don't all fit with your narrative. | |
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| Black lives matter... on 13:32 - Jun 7 with 2542 views | SpruceMoose |
| Black lives matter... on 13:30 - Jun 7 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Will have to agree to differ on that.
I'm sorry if my posts don't all fit with your narrative. |
Lol.
OK buddy, ok. Glad to see you're holding onto your avatar and username though. Very appropriate. | |
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| Black lives matter... on 13:35 - Jun 7 with 2528 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Black lives matter... on 13:32 - Jun 7 by SpruceMoose |
Lol.
OK buddy, ok. Glad to see you're holding onto your avatar and username though. Very appropriate. |
If I changed it, you'd struggle to find me. 
Although I have a feeling you'd manage to. | |
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| Black lives matter... on 13:38 - Jun 7 with 2519 views | SpruceMoose |
| Black lives matter... on 13:35 - Jun 7 by Marshalls_Mullet |
If I changed it, you'd struggle to find me.
Although I have a feeling you'd manage to. |
Yeah you're right. You'd be easy to spot. I'd just look out for the poster stammering 'buh buh buh agree to disagree' and running away the first time their opinion looked like being challenged. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Black lives matter... on 13:39 - Jun 7 with 2520 views | Ryorry |
| Black lives matter... on 13:26 - Jun 7 by SpruceMoose |
You don't actually care about any of this do you? This 'but muh both sides' act is just to cover that up. |
Think that's rather unfair Spruce, he was trying to make this point (as I was too) -
"The point of the protests is to make people listen, and if the message is clearer then that can only be good for all."
Surely good, clear communication that helps lead to the goal of all being treated equally, is key? | |
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| Black lives matter... on 13:41 - Jun 7 with 2507 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Black lives matter... on 13:38 - Jun 7 by SpruceMoose |
Yeah you're right. You'd be easy to spot. I'd just look out for the poster stammering 'buh buh buh agree to disagree' and running away the first time their opinion looked like being challenged. |
Quite the opposite. | |
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| Black lives matter... on 13:46 - Jun 7 with 2496 views | SpruceMoose |
| Black lives matter... on 13:39 - Jun 7 by Ryorry |
Think that's rather unfair Spruce, he was trying to make this point (as I was too) -
"The point of the protests is to make people listen, and if the message is clearer then that can only be good for all."
Surely good, clear communication that helps lead to the goal of all being treated equally, is key? |
He has a history of this. It wasn't based on one post. He used to do it about women's football too. Now he's moved on to concern trolling about race. When challenged he uses is 'agree to disagree' line and runs away.
The message is perfectly clear. It doesn't need to be made more palatable for the kind of white people who don't want to listen anyway. Those that do want to listen could at least take the basic step of educating themselves about the terminology used and the concepts involved before demanding changes so to not offend their sensibilities. [Post edited 7 Jun 2020 13:47]
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| Black lives matter... on 13:52 - Jun 7 with 2476 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Black lives matter... on 13:39 - Jun 7 by Ryorry |
Think that's rather unfair Spruce, he was trying to make this point (as I was too) -
"The point of the protests is to make people listen, and if the message is clearer then that can only be good for all."
Surely good, clear communication that helps lead to the goal of all being treated equally, is key? |
Thanks Ryorry, I agree.
When it comes to my posts, Spruce will always want to interpret them only how he wants to.
I've become used to it. | |
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| Black lives matter... on 13:55 - Jun 7 with 2457 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Black lives matter... on 13:46 - Jun 7 by SpruceMoose |
He has a history of this. It wasn't based on one post. He used to do it about women's football too. Now he's moved on to concern trolling about race. When challenged he uses is 'agree to disagree' line and runs away.
The message is perfectly clear. It doesn't need to be made more palatable for the kind of white people who don't want to listen anyway. Those that do want to listen could at least take the basic step of educating themselves about the terminology used and the concepts involved before demanding changes so to not offend their sensibilities. [Post edited 7 Jun 2020 13:47]
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Did you read my post about White Privilege, and my educating myself on the terms?
I'm really not sure what would please you.
You may call them 'white people who don't want to listen', but they maybe be 'people who don't yet understand'.
Communication is key here, but I'm not sure whether you prefer a fight rather than a resolution. | |
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| Black lives matter... on 13:56 - Jun 7 with 2455 views | SpruceMoose |
| Black lives matter... on 13:52 - Jun 7 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Thanks Ryorry, I agree.
When it comes to my posts, Spruce will always want to interpret them only how he wants to.
I've become used to it. |
Of course, you're the real victim here. Makes perfect sense! | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Black lives matter... on 13:59 - Jun 7 with 2448 views | Ryorry |
| Black lives matter... on 13:46 - Jun 7 by SpruceMoose |
He has a history of this. It wasn't based on one post. He used to do it about women's football too. Now he's moved on to concern trolling about race. When challenged he uses is 'agree to disagree' line and runs away.
The message is perfectly clear. It doesn't need to be made more palatable for the kind of white people who don't want to listen anyway. Those that do want to listen could at least take the basic step of educating themselves about the terminology used and the concepts involved before demanding changes so to not offend their sensibilities. [Post edited 7 Jun 2020 13:47]
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No doubt there are some "kind of white people who don't want to listen anyway" but I'm talking about the ones who are simply unaware, and who would be very happy to join in the #BlackLivesMatter movement, even join the protests - if things were explained to them in language they can understand - as indeed was very well done in the first part of this thread, including a post from yourself.
Treating people with condescension or even hostility when they want to, and are trying to understand, tends to be counterproductive. | |
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