| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart 08:12 - Jul 20 with 4969 views | itfcjoe |
https://theathletic.co.uk/1935897/2020/07/20/ornstein-havertz-chelsea-pochettino
The EFL already has plenty of delicate and time-sensitive issues on its plate with investigations into FFP breaches and potential relegation appeals. Well, now you can add the threat of clubs potentially striking over the restart of Leagues One and Two if coronavirus testing measures are still in place.
English football’s third tier was the last to decide how to resolve its 2019-20 season, caught in the middle of the Premier League and Championship’s Project Restart, and League Two curtailing their campaign.
Although there is no definitive date, clubs in Leagues One and Two are expecting to be told to return to competitive action come mid to late September, keeping their 2020-21 season as close as possible to the top two tiers.
That would be six months since most of those clubs hosted a game and the government’s announcement this week, bringing the potential return of crowds to matches from October, is welcome news.
However, the bigger issue is the testing and biosecurity protocol that has made football’s return possible.
Aside from those clubs involved in the end of season play-offs, Leagues One and Two are yet to function under the current strict and regular COVID-19 testing regime. The Athletic understands at least a dozen clubs, including Bolton and Ipswich, have told the EFL they will not restart as they cannot afford the costs involved.
It means the EFL faces the threat of clubs refusing to play unless the testing rules are relaxed by updated government advice, which seems most likely, or the EFL can find a more cost-effective way for the biosecurity rules surrounding post-COVID football to be met.
Either way, how to make football in England’s third and fourth tiers viable remains a live discussion. |  |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 09:29 - Jul 20 with 1105 views | sparks |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 09:28 - Jul 20 by RegencyBlue |
I’m not saying they do but, if it is a requirement, I can’t believe the costs are so great as to outweigh the chance of getting started again and at least having some income flowing again. |
I suspect its about pushing for clarity on crowds- without which there is really no sense in starting. |  |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 09:33 - Jul 20 with 1094 views | ITFC_Forever |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 09:22 - Jul 20 by RegencyBlue |
But we don’t want a salary cap from what the club has been saying. |
My point exactly. |  |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 09:40 - Jul 20 with 1061 views | Herbivore |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 09:22 - Jul 20 by sparks |
Why do footballers need testing, when people working in shops and offices do not? |
Probably something to do with football being a contact sport so any form of social distancing is impossible, which increases the risks of transmission. |  |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 09:51 - Jul 20 with 1051 views | SitfcB |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 09:22 - Jul 20 by PhilTWTD |
I'm told the Town bit isn't correct. |
Didn’t believe that bit anyway.
Would be a be strange that we voted to carry on this season yet don’t want to start next season when it’s under the same circumstances. |  |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 10:13 - Jul 20 with 1020 views | Basuco |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 09:19 - Jul 20 by RegencyBlue |
What would the costs of testing be for an average club? I would have thought the EFL could negotiate some sort of deal for ‘bulk’ testing which would reduce the cost overall but would the costs be that great anyway? |
I have seen it reported that it costs £150 per test, there are two tests per week, in the EFL it is thought that between 100 - 150 people are required per club to get matches being played then that would be between £30K - £45K per club per week. A significant amount with no fans present. |  | | |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 10:18 - Jul 20 with 1006 views | stonojnr |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 08:33 - Jul 20 by ITFC_Forever |
This was always going to happen, as soon as the vote went through to end last season as clubs couldn't afford to play.... as LO'N said, if they couldn't afford to play then, how can they afford to re-start with no crowds?
Bit surprised to see our name there as a team not wanting to play though. |
'...not wanting to pay' there ftfy
I'd imagine we are happy to play,but we arent happy to pay to cover the costs of all the testing if the league arent helping out with it,given grounds are not going to be allowed to open properly and come with all manner of extra costs even if they let some fans back in. The league has the power to demand more help from the FA etc. I'd imagine threatening to not play forces the issue |  | | |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 10:19 - Jul 20 with 1005 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 09:22 - Jul 20 by PhilTWTD |
I'm told the Town bit isn't correct. |
Thanks for clarification - makes sense because we have been one of the most vocal about wanting to get going again. |  |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 10:26 - Jul 20 with 970 views | Swansea_Blue |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 08:15 - Jul 20 by sparks |
If people are supposed to be going back to offices, and kids are allowed to play competitive football, I am struggling to see why the professional game requires all these strict protocols to continue... |
Or, if there's a genuine need for strict biosecurity protocols to allow fans to congregate safely, it begs the question why people are being encouraged to go back into offices and kids are going back to school as normal and are being allowed to play competitive sports....? |  |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 10:28 - Jul 20 with 966 views | sparks |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 10:26 - Jul 20 by Swansea_Blue |
Or, if there's a genuine need for strict biosecurity protocols to allow fans to congregate safely, it begs the question why people are being encouraged to go back into offices and kids are going back to school as normal and are being allowed to play competitive sports....? |
Indeed. And the answer is that the unspoken government policy is to get on with everything, and take such simple palatable steps as are readily implemented in order to demonstrate that they are doing something.
Its a bit like saying people can walk a dangerous cliff edge path in a storm, because care has been taken to ensure that people have good waterproof hats before they go, and because the poisonous foxgloves en route have been cordoned off. [Post edited 20 Jul 2020 10:29]
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 10:29 - Jul 20 with 958 views | Herbivore |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 10:28 - Jul 20 by sparks |
Indeed. And the answer is that the unspoken government policy is to get on with everything, and take such simple palatable steps as are readily implemented in order to demonstrate that they are doing something.
Its a bit like saying people can walk a dangerous cliff edge path in a storm, because care has been taken to ensure that people have good waterproof hats before they go, and because the poisonous foxgloves en route have been cordoned off. [Post edited 20 Jul 2020 10:29]
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And to make everything essentially a matter of personal responsibility rather than government responsibility so that they can blame individuals and groups when things go wrong rather than take the blame themselves. | |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 10:57 - Jul 20 with 929 views | Libero |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 09:22 - Jul 20 by sparks |
Why do footballers need testing, when people working in shops and offices do not? |
Unless I'm missing something, most work places are insistent on regular testing.
I know for instance that I have to have a test every 3 weeks to continue to work in office. |  | | |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 11:02 - Jul 20 with 917 views | itfcjoe |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 10:57 - Jul 20 by Libero |
Unless I'm missing something, most work places are insistent on regular testing.
I know for instance that I have to have a test every 3 weeks to continue to work in office. |
They really aren't, I don't know anyone subject to any testing let alone regular testing in my circle of friends and family
Your industry might be different so it feels normal to you as have friends and family doing similar, but it really isn't the case for a huge swathe of the country | |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 11:03 - Jul 20 with 914 views | sparks |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 10:57 - Jul 20 by Libero |
Unless I'm missing something, most work places are insistent on regular testing.
I know for instance that I have to have a test every 3 weeks to continue to work in office. |
I think your workplace is exceptional. | |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 11:08 - Jul 20 with 907 views | Libero |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 11:02 - Jul 20 by itfcjoe |
They really aren't, I don't know anyone subject to any testing let alone regular testing in my circle of friends and family
Your industry might be different so it feels normal to you as have friends and family doing similar, but it really isn't the case for a huge swathe of the country |
I'd assumed it was just my sector/work place but then I heard from a friend working in an entirely different sector that their boss had requested similar!
On the other side, my brother in law works for persimmon homes and they are basically carrying on like nothing has changed and being quite shady with any member of staff who expresses concerns, absolute sh1thouses (in more way than one) | | | |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 11:12 - Jul 20 with 899 views | Swansea_Blue |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 10:57 - Jul 20 by Libero |
Unless I'm missing something, most work places are insistent on regular testing.
I know for instance that I have to have a test every 3 weeks to continue to work in office. |
And I'm another one who thinks your workplace is exceptional. No such thing at our place (c. 4,000 employees). Although we're phasing people back and the last ones won't be until 2021, as things stand. | |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 11:19 - Jul 20 with 884 views | Libero |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 11:12 - Jul 20 by Swansea_Blue |
And I'm another one who thinks your workplace is exceptional. No such thing at our place (c. 4,000 employees). Although we're phasing people back and the last ones won't be until 2021, as things stand. |
It is a great company, I think I was just thrown when a friend of mine in a completely different sector said they had a similar process in place.
I just assumed the chancers would not do it as there's no legislation forcing them, but I stand corrected, I guess most companies aren't bothering! | | | |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 11:27 - Jul 20 with 866 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 10:57 - Jul 20 by Libero |
Unless I'm missing something, most work places are insistent on regular testing.
I know for instance that I have to have a test every 3 weeks to continue to work in office. |
My wife works in a nursery and no testing whatsoever. In my academy trust, tests are available but no insistence or requirement to have one unless symptoms present.
I would say your work is one of the good guys. | |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 11:30 - Jul 20 with 856 views | Libero |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 11:27 - Jul 20 by JammyDodgerrr |
My wife works in a nursery and no testing whatsoever. In my academy trust, tests are available but no insistence or requirement to have one unless symptoms present.
I would say your work is one of the good guys. |
Christ, that's a shocker. (considering it's working with children)
The mate of mine I mentioned works in the media.
Yeah, I've only been with them 6 months but I think it's safe to say they're the best company I've ever worked for, really looked after me when I contracted Covid the week before the country was on lockdown and have such a strong focus on staff wellbeing generally, they just keep going up and up in my estimation.
Hope I'm here for a long time. [Post edited 20 Jul 2020 11:30]
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 16:20 - Jul 20 with 751 views | Plums |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 08:21 - Jul 20 by itfcjoe |
Yep, I think that's the case - not wanting to have to hump through so many hoops and spend so much money doing so.
I guess the difference is that if one of the team gets it then the whole squad could easily need to isolate, which causes big issues which aren't really there in kids football |
There are plenty of Covid vulnerable people involved in grassroots football. Let’s remember it’s not just kids who are about to restart. |  |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 21:25 - Jul 20 with 698 views | SitfcB |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 22:06 - Jul 20 with 659 views | pointofblue |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 21:25 - Jul 20 by SitfcB |
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Didn’t sides basically go ‘on strike’ over restarting 2019/2020 and basically say it wasn’t going to happen? Not sure why MacAnthony is so confident the same thing won’t happen this time around unless, as said, the testing rules are relaxed. | |
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| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 23:50 - Jul 20 with 622 views | Libero |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 21:25 - Jul 20 by SitfcB |
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I’d probably trust the athletic to know what they’re talking about over MacAnthony tbh. | | | |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 23:56 - Jul 20 with 614 views | PhilTWTD |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 23:50 - Jul 20 by Libero |
I’d probably trust the athletic to know what they’re talking about over MacAnthony tbh. |
Lee O'Neill said similar to me a couple of weeks ago about the testing: “It is changing daily and weekly so it could be that testing is taken off the table and it’s not required in the new season, so that’s then a very different conversation."
The Athletic piece was wrong about Town's position on this, as they have with a couple of other things when they've covered us. |  | | |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 00:01 - Jul 21 with 608 views | Libero |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 23:56 - Jul 20 by PhilTWTD |
Lee O'Neill said similar to me a couple of weeks ago about the testing: “It is changing daily and weekly so it could be that testing is taken off the table and it’s not required in the new season, so that’s then a very different conversation."
The Athletic piece was wrong about Town's position on this, as they have with a couple of other things when they've covered us. |
We’re irrelevant, they don’t really cover us to be fair to them.
Cheers for the bonus O’Neil waffle though. | | | |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 00:04 - Jul 21 with 603 views | PhilTWTD |
| League One and Two clubs threatening not to restart on 00:01 - Jul 21 by Libero |
We’re irrelevant, they don’t really cover us to be fair to them.
Cheers for the bonus O’Neil waffle though. |
Agree,we're hardly their priority, more mentions in passing to do with League One politics than anything else. | | | |
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