| Town keen on Keogh? 11:32 - Aug 3 with 11592 views | Swailsey |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:07 - Aug 3 with 4279 views | portmanking |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:04 - Aug 3 by Mullet |
Well yes, but it hinges on that doesn't it and then him coming in and being a good influence and capable after his injury amongst other factors.
We need to be finding the next Adam Webster or Luke Chambers ideally, Keogh delivers neither. Even if he was coming in to fill a Mogga style gap he's not that type of CB is he? I think the desperation for promotion is clouding judgements amongst the fanbase.
The squad is massively lopsided and we need a carefully planned recruitment strategy, if Keogh is part of that then it's right to question it given Lambert's previous. |
My judgement isn't clouded whatsoever.
Is he an improvement on James Wilson (and even Chambers)? Yes.
Does he has something to prove? Yes.
Has he got a couple of years in the tank? Hopefully.
Fitness/injuries should be the only determining factor IMO. Would be surprised if he doesn't have a Championship suitor or two anyhow. |  | | |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:13 - Aug 3 with 4235 views | BlueBadger |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 11:44 - Aug 3 by Pinewoodblue |
Especially with Toto to Dundee Utd |
I wonder how much we're offering Dundee United to take him? |  |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:16 - Aug 3 with 4233 views | uefacup81 |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:03 - Aug 3 by BloomBlue |
Although technically I would say he made two errors of judgement, 1) the incident & 2) refusing to take a pay cut because he was injured during 1) and if I remember correctly Derby sacked him for # 2) refusing to take the pay cut.
Well if he is going to join Town he had better get his mind ready for a very large pay cut |
I think that Keogh probably had a point with his refusal to take a wage cut.
Lawrence and the other kid were (as I understand it) handed the usual fine of x-weeks wages, made to do some community work, and that was it.
Keogh, on the other hand, was hauled over the coals and essentially forced out of the club.
It's almost as if the young talent was given as easy a ride as possible, whilst the club took the convenient opportunity to dispose of the senior pro in the twilight of his career... |  |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:20 - Aug 3 with 4221 views | Mullet |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:07 - Aug 3 by portmanking |
My judgement isn't clouded whatsoever.
Is he an improvement on James Wilson (and even Chambers)? Yes.
Does he has something to prove? Yes.
Has he got a couple of years in the tank? Hopefully.
Fitness/injuries should be the only determining factor IMO. Would be surprised if he doesn't have a Championship suitor or two anyhow. |
Ignoring all of the other off field stuff and whether that should be part of your judgement or not, what have you seen of him since his injury to confirm that?
We are completely guessing here, the only mitigation he has really is that the younger more valuable assets were treated differently.
I'm also talking about Chambers when he signed, as we either need to be looking at players we make a profit on or players who offer long and impressive service. We have too many players as is, one year stopgaps don't really chime well with where we are at do they? |  |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:21 - Aug 3 with 4220 views | portmanking |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:16 - Aug 3 by uefacup81 |
I think that Keogh probably had a point with his refusal to take a wage cut.
Lawrence and the other kid were (as I understand it) handed the usual fine of x-weeks wages, made to do some community work, and that was it.
Keogh, on the other hand, was hauled over the coals and essentially forced out of the club.
It's almost as if the young talent was given as easy a ride as possible, whilst the club took the convenient opportunity to dispose of the senior pro in the twilight of his career... |
As I understand the story, it was Lawrence and Bennett were the ones who were especially in the wrong opting to get behind the wheel of their vehicles intoxicated.
Keogh was obviously ridiculous for either encouraging them/allowing them to drive and for even risking a journey with them. However, it always felt to me like the club made it appear that Keogh was more in the wrong than the other two consenting adults that made the decision to control killing machines when off their rockers. | | | |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:21 - Aug 3 with 4210 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Yes please. Would be perfect if fit. |  |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:23 - Aug 3 with 4203 views | portmanking |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:20 - Aug 3 by Mullet |
Ignoring all of the other off field stuff and whether that should be part of your judgement or not, what have you seen of him since his injury to confirm that?
We are completely guessing here, the only mitigation he has really is that the younger more valuable assets were treated differently.
I'm also talking about Chambers when he signed, as we either need to be looking at players we make a profit on or players who offer long and impressive service. We have too many players as is, one year stopgaps don't really chime well with where we are at do they? |
To confirm what? I said you'd "hope" he could play another two seasons. That would have to be proven with a trial and sufficient fitness test. I don't really know what more you want me to say?
He'd be an improvement on almost every centre half we have.
Let Toto & Wilson go, bring in Keogh and Smith. Job done. | | | |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:27 - Aug 3 with 4193 views | tractorboy1978 |
Same as I said re Pitman on another thread - we need to be signing players in their peak/on the way up not players on their way down. | | | |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:29 - Aug 3 with 4182 views | portmanking |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:27 - Aug 3 by tractorboy1978 |
Same as I said re Pitman on another thread - we need to be signing players in their peak/on the way up not players on their way down. |
There's a balance to be found though. Nine months ago, Keogh was skippering a club with aspirations of playing in the Prem. If fit, he could still play Championship football. Him alongside Woolfie (a guy well "on his way up") would be very astute. | | | |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:31 - Aug 3 with 4167 views | Mullet |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:23 - Aug 3 by portmanking |
To confirm what? I said you'd "hope" he could play another two seasons. That would have to be proven with a trial and sufficient fitness test. I don't really know what more you want me to say?
He'd be an improvement on almost every centre half we have.
Let Toto & Wilson go, bring in Keogh and Smith. Job done. |
You also said he was better than what we had with no way of knowing that right now. (Has he kicked a ball since the accident incidentally I'm assuming he didn't play non-league or anything since being sacked?)
The case for him seems to get flimsier by the minute. | |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:35 - Aug 3 with 4155 views | portmanking |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:31 - Aug 3 by Mullet |
You also said he was better than what we had with no way of knowing that right now. (Has he kicked a ball since the accident incidentally I'm assuming he didn't play non-league or anything since being sacked?)
The case for him seems to get flimsier by the minute. |
Deary me. How clearer do I need to make it?
On paper, Richard Keogh has a footballing pedigree that far exceeds the likes of James Wilson, Toto Nsiala and quite possibly even Luke Chambers.
Providing he proved his fitness and ability on the training field, he would be a no-brainer, thereby making his own case for signing.
Let's leave this one here as it's getting silly now. | | | |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:36 - Aug 3 with 4149 views | Herbivore |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 11:39 - Aug 3 by portmanking |
You'd probably be looking at Keogh playing in a 3 with both of them. Woolfie left side, Chambo right side and Keogh sweeping in the middle.
A 1000000% upgrade on James Wilson, surely no-one could deny that. |
That back three looks horrific. Only Woolf with any real mobility. I hope we move away from that system anyway to be honest, it hasn't worked for us and doesn't suit us. I'm hoping we go back to a back 4 and I wouldn't be signing Keogh as we don't need another 30 plus CB in the squad. We need someone who will be a replacement for Chambers. |  |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:36 - Aug 3 with 4148 views | homer_123 |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:29 - Aug 3 by portmanking |
There's a balance to be found though. Nine months ago, Keogh was skippering a club with aspirations of playing in the Prem. If fit, he could still play Championship football. Him alongside Woolfie (a guy well "on his way up") would be very astute. |
I'll just butt in here.....and mentioned a couple of names.....Tony Mowbray and John Wark. |  |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:42 - Aug 3 with 4120 views | Herbivore |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:35 - Aug 3 by portmanking |
Deary me. How clearer do I need to make it?
On paper, Richard Keogh has a footballing pedigree that far exceeds the likes of James Wilson, Toto Nsiala and quite possibly even Luke Chambers.
Providing he proved his fitness and ability on the training field, he would be a no-brainer, thereby making his own case for signing.
Let's leave this one here as it's getting silly now. |
He'd be an expensive signing in terms of wages, it's not as simple as him being an upgrade on Wilson when Wilson is relatively cheap squad filler. | |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:55 - Aug 3 with 4092 views | tractordownsouth |
Always looked like a complete liability whenever I saw him for Derby. Baffling how he kept getting in the team of the season. |  |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:03 - Aug 3 with 4058 views | Bluefish |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 11:39 - Aug 3 by portmanking |
You'd probably be looking at Keogh playing in a 3 with both of them. Woolfie left side, Chambo right side and Keogh sweeping in the middle.
A 1000000% upgrade on James Wilson, surely no-one could deny that. |
An upgrade on Wilson probably but a downgrade on Skuse definitely |  |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:11 - Aug 3 with 4024 views | portmanking |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:03 - Aug 3 by Bluefish |
An upgrade on Wilson probably but a downgrade on Skuse definitely |
A downgrade on Cole Skuse at centre half? I'll have whatever you've been smokin'.... | | | |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:17 - Aug 3 with 4005 views | BlueBadger |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:27 - Aug 3 by tractorboy1978 |
Same as I said re Pitman on another thread - we need to be signing players in their peak/on the way up not players on their way down. |
I wish we'd taken the same approach with our manager, other than getting cold feet about it after Hurst. | |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:19 - Aug 3 with 3995 views | Bluefish |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:11 - Aug 3 by portmanking |
A downgrade on Cole Skuse at centre half? I'll have whatever you've been smokin'.... |
Let me help you here. We are talking about as the ball playing centre back in a 3, Keogh is a stopper he had been working hard to be a marauding cb for derby but he was terrible at it, skuse is miles ahead in that area. Keogh is also on his way back from a career ending injury and a significant mental battle over his career. Skuse isn't, I would pick Skuse ahead of him every day as a 3rd cb | |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:24 - Aug 3 with 3974 views | tractordownsouth |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:11 - Aug 3 by portmanking |
A downgrade on Cole Skuse at centre half? I'll have whatever you've been smokin'.... |
We haven't seen much of Skuse as a CB but when he's played there he's impressed. I'd be more than happy to move him back there. | |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:24 - Aug 3 with 3975 views | portmanking |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:19 - Aug 3 by Bluefish |
Let me help you here. We are talking about as the ball playing centre back in a 3, Keogh is a stopper he had been working hard to be a marauding cb for derby but he was terrible at it, skuse is miles ahead in that area. Keogh is also on his way back from a career ending injury and a significant mental battle over his career. Skuse isn't, I would pick Skuse ahead of him every day as a 3rd cb |
Where did I suggest that Keogh would be a "marauding CB"? Far from it. I said he'd act as sweeper and allow Woolfie and Chambers to be the ones to attack the ball.
Cole Skuse as a third CB really is a last resort suggestion... | | | |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:26 - Aug 3 with 3969 views | BlueBadger |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:21 - Aug 3 by portmanking |
As I understand the story, it was Lawrence and Bennett were the ones who were especially in the wrong opting to get behind the wheel of their vehicles intoxicated.
Keogh was obviously ridiculous for either encouraging them/allowing them to drive and for even risking a journey with them. However, it always felt to me like the club made it appear that Keogh was more in the wrong than the other two consenting adults that made the decision to control killing machines when off their rockers. |
It's reminiscent of Jewell's treatment of Chopra and Bullard after the casino incident. | |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:29 - Aug 3 with 3962 views | Bluefish |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:24 - Aug 3 by portmanking |
Where did I suggest that Keogh would be a "marauding CB"? Far from it. I said he'd act as sweeper and allow Woolfie and Chambers to be the ones to attack the ball.
Cole Skuse as a third CB really is a last resort suggestion... |
It really isn't, he has all of the attributes of a fine cb as I have been saying for years and we finally got to see last season. Plenty of midfielders have moved back to cb, we had a player called John Wark that did it rather well. A couple of famous names are Kompany and Southgate from elsewhere. Skuse is a far more talented player than Keogh | |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:30 - Aug 3 with 3965 views | Radlett_blue |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:04 - Aug 3 by Mullet |
Well yes, but it hinges on that doesn't it and then him coming in and being a good influence and capable after his injury amongst other factors.
We need to be finding the next Adam Webster or Luke Chambers ideally, Keogh delivers neither. Even if he was coming in to fill a Mogga style gap he's not that type of CB is he? I think the desperation for promotion is clouding judgements amongst the fanbase.
The squad is massively lopsided and we need a carefully planned recruitment strategy, if Keogh is part of that then it's right to question it given Lambert's previous. |
Indeed. We already have one ageing, formerly good Championship centre back at the club so why would we want another, especially as he may not be match fit until December, if ever? |  |
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| Town keen on Keogh? on 13:31 - Aug 3 with 3962 views | Garv |
| Town keen on Keogh? on 12:27 - Aug 3 by tractorboy1978 |
Same as I said re Pitman on another thread - we need to be signing players in their peak/on the way up not players on their way down. |
Like Nolan and Nsiala?
There's got to be a balance. For me we seriously lack experience and leadership. We need someone to come in with the aspiration of replacing Chambers, and so I don't think Keogh is really the right choice, especially considering his injury, but it's not the worst shout in the world. |  |
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