| Over 21 players.... 08:41 - Aug 10 with 7330 views | itfcjoe |
Sounds as though it is limited to players born on 31st December 1998 or earlier.....which leaves us with
Tomas Holy
Luke Chambers
James Wilson
Luke Woolfenden
Gwion Edwards
Cole Skuse
Kayden Jackson
James Norwood
Jon Nolan
Janoi Donacien
Harry Wright
Teddy Bishop
Alan Judge
Freddie Sears
Arsitote Nsiala
Kane Vincent-Young
Myles Kenlock
Emyr Huws
Aaron Drinan
Barry Cotter
So we have 20 players in the squad of 22, with room for 2 signings in the squad, realistically Cotter and Drinan will likely not be named in the squad if it can be helped.
Of the 20, think it is safe to assume that 17 of them earn above the limit, or at least very close to it.
17 multiplied by £113k is £1.92m.
I don't know where we stand on agent fees and the like, but realistically we have about £10k left in the wage budget for signings to cover basic plus bonuses, which may stretch to 2-3 players on pretty cheap terms.
Anyone we sell, or loan out, or pay up, will release a further £2k per week back into the wage budget.
Promotion this year is absolutely vital, we just simply will have to release nearly every player in the squad who doesn't take massively reduced terms. The idea of selling or getting rid of someone like Norwood now is just a total non starter because it just kills us.
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| Over 21 players.... on 08:44 - Aug 10 with 3456 views | Mullet |
I assume if we renegotiated Skuse/Chambers etc. as coaches then registered them to play like we did Mogga and Andy Rhodes it still counts too.
It's an absolute mess and even worse that so many details are missing or reported differently across the media. |  |
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| Over 21 players.... on 08:45 - Aug 10 with 3445 views | Keno |
One wonders how that squad would do if it was
Tomas Holy
Luke Chambers
James Wilson
Luke Woolfenden
Cole Skuse
Kayden Jackson
Harry Wright
Teddy Bishop
Freddie Sears
Kane Vincent-Young
Myles Kenlock
Plus
Lankester
Downs
Morris
Folami
Dobra
Dozzell
Brown
Simpson
Smith |  |
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| Over 21 players.... on 08:46 - Aug 10 with 3428 views | Herbivore |
Think we'll look to move Nsiala on and possibly Donacien too. It will likely have to be a loan deal though I imagine and even then will be tough.
I think most of our business this season will be loans. |  |
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| Over 21 players.... on 08:47 - Aug 10 with 3425 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't agree with a fixed cap.
But it brings in to focus how ridiculous wages have become.
£113k is more than enough for a L1 footballer.
...and let's face it, under the old rules, we still made huge losses.
The Academy is more important than ever now.
I think that gone are the days of having a strong squad. It's going to move to having a strong starting XI, with a few back up players and the rest being young pro's fresh out of the Academy. |  |
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| Over 21 players.... on 08:48 - Aug 10 with 3413 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Over 21 players.... on 08:46 - Aug 10 by Herbivore |
Think we'll look to move Nsiala on and possibly Donacien too. It will likely have to be a loan deal though I imagine and even then will be tough.
I think most of our business this season will be loans. |
Getting rid of those players will be tough. Signed on championship deals. Likely to be loans with us picking up the bulk of the wages. | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 08:51 - Aug 10 with 3401 views | Keno |
| Over 21 players.... on 08:47 - Aug 10 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't agree with a fixed cap.
But it brings in to focus how ridiculous wages have become.
£113k is more than enough for a L1 footballer.
...and let's face it, under the old rules, we still made huge losses.
The Academy is more important than ever now.
I think that gone are the days of having a strong squad. It's going to move to having a strong starting XI, with a few back up players and the rest being young pro's fresh out of the Academy. |
"I think that gone are the days of having a strong squad. It's going to move to having a strong starting XI, with a few back up players and the rest being young pro's fresh out of the Academy."
in a funny old way that is kind of the "Ipswich way" | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 08:55 - Aug 10 with 3380 views | Herbivore |
| Over 21 players.... on 08:48 - Aug 10 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Getting rid of those players will be tough. Signed on championship deals. Likely to be loans with us picking up the bulk of the wages. |
Altbough they would have been low end Championship wages and they will have gone down following relegation. If it meant we could bring one or two in I'd be tempted to bite the bullet and pay up their contracts. | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 08:56 - Aug 10 with 3379 views | Guthrum |
| Over 21 players.... on 08:48 - Aug 10 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Getting rid of those players will be tough. Signed on championship deals. Likely to be loans with us picking up the bulk of the wages. |
Problem with that is it doesn't shift enough off the books. We'd need those wages gone. |  |
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| Over 21 players.... on 08:57 - Aug 10 with 3368 views | tractorboy1978 |
Also, if we sell a player for a decent fee i.e Downes/Woolfenden then we don't benefit - can pay fees for players but we can't reinvest the money in wages. It basically limits us to paying loan fees - we can't grow our own squad in the way Burley did by selling Dyer for example. [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 9:05]
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| Over 21 players.... on 08:58 - Aug 10 with 3359 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Over 21 players.... on 08:56 - Aug 10 by Guthrum |
Problem with that is it doesn't shift enough off the books. We'd need those wages gone. |
Exactly.
Best to keep them and try to coach them into being competent back up L1 players.
...which they both have been in the past (at other clubs). | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 08:59 - Aug 10 with 3348 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Over 21 players.... on 08:55 - Aug 10 by Herbivore |
Altbough they would have been low end Championship wages and they will have gone down following relegation. If it meant we could bring one or two in I'd be tempted to bite the bullet and pay up their contracts. |
Wonder where that pay off falls in the £2.5m? | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 09:03 - Aug 10 with 3332 views | JakeITFC |
Are starting wages on FM realistic? Be interested to see our squad wage delta by player - the bigger clubs like us, Sunderland etc. will effectively have a quality decay rate as existing player contracts expire and can't be renewed. |  | | |
| Over 21 players.... on 09:10 - Aug 10 with 3310 views | PhilTWTD |
Town said 19 who played first-team football last season plus Wright and Drinan. Think your list is right, can't see anyone you missed out. |  | | |
| Over 21 players.... on 09:39 - Aug 10 with 3221 views | PhilTWTD |
| Over 21 players.... on 09:10 - Aug 10 by PhilTWTD |
Town said 19 who played first-team football last season plus Wright and Drinan. Think your list is right, can't see anyone you missed out. |
Just checked and 19 seems to have been a typo. It is 20 in total as you say. | | | |
| Over 21 players.... on 09:49 - Aug 10 with 3191 views | hype313 |
| Over 21 players.... on 09:39 - Aug 10 by PhilTWTD |
Just checked and 19 seems to have been a typo. It is 20 in total as you say. |
Hmm not much wiggle room for any new incomings, unless we can shift, but there aren't many buyers out there for our high salaried fringe players.
If we don't get promoted I can genuinely see us in this league for as long as we were in the Championship.
The reality is that even if we did get promoted the chances are we will just be a yo yo club due to the huge financial powers the championship teams will have over us, add the fact that Marcus won't suddenly hit the 18m wage heights in the Championship, as this is a nice way for him to limited the annual £6m bleed.
All quite depressing. |  |
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| Over 21 players.... on 09:58 - Aug 10 with 3158 views | PhilTWTD |
| Over 21 players.... on 09:49 - Aug 10 by hype313 |
Hmm not much wiggle room for any new incomings, unless we can shift, but there aren't many buyers out there for our high salaried fringe players.
If we don't get promoted I can genuinely see us in this league for as long as we were in the Championship.
The reality is that even if we did get promoted the chances are we will just be a yo yo club due to the huge financial powers the championship teams will have over us, add the fact that Marcus won't suddenly hit the 18m wage heights in the Championship, as this is a nice way for him to limited the annual £6m bleed.
All quite depressing. |
Indeed, not a lot we can offer to the likes of Garbutt, bearing in mind he is understood to have been on £26,500 last season. | | | |
| Over 21 players.... on 10:01 - Aug 10 with 3131 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Over 21 players.... on 09:58 - Aug 10 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed, not a lot we can offer to the likes of Garbutt, bearing in mind he is understood to have been on £26,500 last season. |
To be fair, that 26k is now irrelevant.
We are in the same boat as Sunderland.
His best hope for 5k+ is in the Champ if he gets an offer. | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 10:03 - Aug 10 with 3104 views | Herbivore |
| Over 21 players.... on 09:58 - Aug 10 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed, not a lot we can offer to the likes of Garbutt, bearing in mind he is understood to have been on £26,500 last season. |
Garbutt being on that much money shows how broken football is. | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 10:04 - Aug 10 with 3105 views | hype313 |
| Over 21 players.... on 09:58 - Aug 10 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed, not a lot we can offer to the likes of Garbutt, bearing in mind he is understood to have been on £26,500 last season. |
Bizarrely, I'm not overly fussed if we sign him or not as it's an area no so pressing imo, add the fact that he would take up the lions share of our remaining budget I just can't see it happening.
The frustration for me is that we seem to be linked with the same players as every other club in this division, surely we must be able to find a few gems lower down or at the very least one of hundreds of players currently out of work, desperate to find a club and prove their worth.
Garbutt was a nice to have but I don't think his performances warrant a significant wage. | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 10:05 - Aug 10 with 3102 views | PhilTWTD |
| Over 21 players.... on 10:01 - Aug 10 by Marshalls_Mullet |
To be fair, that 26k is now irrelevant.
We are in the same boat as Sunderland.
His best hope for 5k+ is in the Champ if he gets an offer. |
It is, but thinking that we're probably not in a position to offer him much more than a 10th of his Everton wage. I do wonder whether he has been holding out for a Championship club and that there may have been interest which hasn't become public. | | | |
| Over 21 players.... on 10:08 - Aug 10 with 3065 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Over 21 players.... on 10:05 - Aug 10 by PhilTWTD |
It is, but thinking that we're probably not in a position to offer him much more than a 10th of his Everton wage. I do wonder whether he has been holding out for a Championship club and that there may have been interest which hasn't become public. |
Realistically if a champ clubs shows no interest, then the reality is that his market value is probably a 10th of his previous wage.
...and much as it's not good for Ipswich, maybe this cap is good for football.
£135k per year is more than enough for a L1 footballer.
If he gets a champ club, then good luck to him. | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 10:10 - Aug 10 with 3048 views | Herbivore |
| Over 21 players.... on 10:05 - Aug 10 by PhilTWTD |
It is, but thinking that we're probably not in a position to offer him much more than a 10th of his Everton wage. I do wonder whether he has been holding out for a Championship club and that there may have been interest which hasn't become public. |
I'm not sure he's good enough for the Championship to be fair. I like him, he's a tidy player. But - and it's a big but - he's not good enough defensively to play left back and that was exposed at this level let alone the Championship. I don't think he's quick or dynamic enough to play higher up the pitch in the Championship either, especially as lots of sides at that level don't play a 4-4-2 so need their wide players to play more as wide forwards or advanced wingers. That's not Garbutt either really.
It's a weird one, I rate him as a footballer but I think he's only at his best in a very specific role that most sides don't utilise anymore. As a full back and even as a wing back I have reservations about him. | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 10:13 - Aug 10 with 3034 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Over 21 players.... on 10:10 - Aug 10 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure he's good enough for the Championship to be fair. I like him, he's a tidy player. But - and it's a big but - he's not good enough defensively to play left back and that was exposed at this level let alone the Championship. I don't think he's quick or dynamic enough to play higher up the pitch in the Championship either, especially as lots of sides at that level don't play a 4-4-2 so need their wide players to play more as wide forwards or advanced wingers. That's not Garbutt either really.
It's a weird one, I rate him as a footballer but I think he's only at his best in a very specific role that most sides don't utilise anymore. As a full back and even as a wing back I have reservations about him. |
Also...
...lower champ clubs aren't going to be throwing money around.
Covid coupled with the risk of being relegated to L1 with a salary cap is going to lead to some financial caution.
...and as you say, he's prob not up to it. | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 10:17 - Aug 10 with 3014 views | PhilTWTD |
| Over 21 players.... on 10:13 - Aug 10 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Also...
...lower champ clubs aren't going to be throwing money around.
Covid coupled with the risk of being relegated to L1 with a salary cap is going to lead to some financial caution.
...and as you say, he's prob not up to it. |
Equally, lower Championship clubs know they can probably offer not a huge amount in their terms to someone who isn't going to cost a fee and still beat the likes of us and Sunderland. Garbutt's set pieces may well be an additional selling point to lower Champ clubs. I think it's his defensive capabilities rather than his ability going forward which is where questions are asked of him. | | | |
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