| Over 21 players.... 08:41 - Aug 10 with 7492 views | itfcjoe |
Sounds as though it is limited to players born on 31st December 1998 or earlier.....which leaves us with
Tomas Holy
Luke Chambers
James Wilson
Luke Woolfenden
Gwion Edwards
Cole Skuse
Kayden Jackson
James Norwood
Jon Nolan
Janoi Donacien
Harry Wright
Teddy Bishop
Alan Judge
Freddie Sears
Arsitote Nsiala
Kane Vincent-Young
Myles Kenlock
Emyr Huws
Aaron Drinan
Barry Cotter
So we have 20 players in the squad of 22, with room for 2 signings in the squad, realistically Cotter and Drinan will likely not be named in the squad if it can be helped.
Of the 20, think it is safe to assume that 17 of them earn above the limit, or at least very close to it.
17 multiplied by £113k is £1.92m.
I don't know where we stand on agent fees and the like, but realistically we have about £10k left in the wage budget for signings to cover basic plus bonuses, which may stretch to 2-3 players on pretty cheap terms.
Anyone we sell, or loan out, or pay up, will release a further £2k per week back into the wage budget.
Promotion this year is absolutely vital, we just simply will have to release nearly every player in the squad who doesn't take massively reduced terms. The idea of selling or getting rid of someone like Norwood now is just a total non starter because it just kills us.
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| Over 21 players.... on 10:18 - Aug 10 with 2674 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Over 21 players.... on 10:17 - Aug 10 by PhilTWTD |
Equally, lower Championship clubs know they can probably offer not a huge amount in their terms to someone who isn't going to cost a fee and still beat the likes of us and Sunderland. Garbutt's set pieces may well be an additional selling point to lower Champ clubs. I think it's his defensive capabilities rather than his ability going forward which is where questions are asked of him. |
Doesn't look like too many champ clubs are in for him. |  |
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| Over 21 players.... on 10:19 - Aug 10 with 2676 views | PhilTWTD |
| Over 21 players.... on 10:18 - Aug 10 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Doesn't look like too many champ clubs are in for him. |
I know some were watching him last season but, as you say, we're not aware of any which have made him offers. |  | | |
| Over 21 players.... on 10:22 - Aug 10 with 2661 views | Bluefish |
PRP will probably sign 2 more keepers |  |
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| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 10:25 - Aug 10 with 2665 views | unstableblue |
Thanks for sharing thoughts Joe. Can't disagree with your conclusion that promotion is a must this season, but Lambert still feels like a gamble with question marks on his ability to set the team up to its strengths and get a system that works effectively. The positive side of me is thinking we will come out blazing and that Lambert has learnt lessons from last season. But as I have repeated: we lack an experienced and technical number 2 to support Lambert's other attributes.
Who do you think is going to truly emerge from the youth, who I assume are really:
DOWNES
DOZZELL
Dobra
El Mizouni
Lankester
McGavin
Morris
Folami
Brown
Simpson
Smith
Surely we have a team to get promoted from this?! and yet you look at the quality of Oxford coaching and we're back to the same concerns.
SENIOR PLAYERS:
Tomas Holy
Luke Chambers
James Wilson
Luke Woolfenden
Gwion Edwards
Cole Skuse
Kayden Jackson
James Norwood
Jon Nolan
Janoi Donacien
Harry Wright
Teddy Bishop
Alan Judge
Freddie Sears
Arsitote Nsiala
Kane Vincent-Young
Myles Kenlock
Emyr Huws
Aaron Drinan
Barry Cotter [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 10:25]
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| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 10:28 - Aug 10 with 2652 views | Herbivore |
| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 10:25 - Aug 10 by unstableblue |
Thanks for sharing thoughts Joe. Can't disagree with your conclusion that promotion is a must this season, but Lambert still feels like a gamble with question marks on his ability to set the team up to its strengths and get a system that works effectively. The positive side of me is thinking we will come out blazing and that Lambert has learnt lessons from last season. But as I have repeated: we lack an experienced and technical number 2 to support Lambert's other attributes.
Who do you think is going to truly emerge from the youth, who I assume are really:
DOWNES
DOZZELL
Dobra
El Mizouni
Lankester
McGavin
Morris
Folami
Brown
Simpson
Smith
Surely we have a team to get promoted from this?! and yet you look at the quality of Oxford coaching and we're back to the same concerns.
SENIOR PLAYERS:
Tomas Holy
Luke Chambers
James Wilson
Luke Woolfenden
Gwion Edwards
Cole Skuse
Kayden Jackson
James Norwood
Jon Nolan
Janoi Donacien
Harry Wright
Teddy Bishop
Alan Judge
Freddie Sears
Arsitote Nsiala
Kane Vincent-Young
Myles Kenlock
Emyr Huws
Aaron Drinan
Barry Cotter [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 10:25]
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I honestly don't know how anyone can think that there are merely reservations about Lambert. There's nearly 2 years' worth of evidence that he's absolutely hopeless. We got worse under him as the season progressed last season, that doesn't suggest a manager that is learning and improving. |  |
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| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 10:35 - Aug 10 with 2628 views | hype313 |
| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 10:28 - Aug 10 by Herbivore |
I honestly don't know how anyone can think that there are merely reservations about Lambert. There's nearly 2 years' worth of evidence that he's absolutely hopeless. We got worse under him as the season progressed last season, that doesn't suggest a manager that is learning and improving. |
He has to have a season like he did at Norwich, history suggests he won't. |  |
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| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 10:38 - Aug 10 with 2629 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 10:28 - Aug 10 by Herbivore |
I honestly don't know how anyone can think that there are merely reservations about Lambert. There's nearly 2 years' worth of evidence that he's absolutely hopeless. We got worse under him as the season progressed last season, that doesn't suggest a manager that is learning and improving. |
The question isn’t do we have a squad capable of promotion but do we have a manager who can get the best out of them. He failed miserably last year. |  |
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| Over 21 players.... on 10:53 - Aug 10 with 2597 views | itfcjoe |
| Over 21 players.... on 08:47 - Aug 10 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't agree with a fixed cap.
But it brings in to focus how ridiculous wages have become.
£113k is more than enough for a L1 footballer.
...and let's face it, under the old rules, we still made huge losses.
The Academy is more important than ever now.
I think that gone are the days of having a strong squad. It's going to move to having a strong starting XI, with a few back up players and the rest being young pro's fresh out of the Academy. |
£113k isn't a massive salary by any means, doubled up with fact it will likely entail a geographic move and being on a 1 year contract I think you'll see lots of people drop out of the game
And there is a massive difference between a League 1 footballer for a club that sells 30k tickets to games at £20 a head compared to one selling 2k tickets. One brings with it more pressure, prestige and should bring more salary | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 10:54 - Aug 10 with 2591 views | itfcjoe |
| Over 21 players.... on 08:55 - Aug 10 by Herbivore |
Altbough they would have been low end Championship wages and they will have gone down following relegation. If it meant we could bring one or two in I'd be tempted to bite the bullet and pay up their contracts. |
I don't think those players will be on much more than £100k a year from what I hear, although no doubt will be getting appearance bonuses etc on top of their salary so if they play regularly will see it far in excess of £113k | |
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| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 10:59 - Aug 10 with 2588 views | itfcjoe |
| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 10:25 - Aug 10 by unstableblue |
Thanks for sharing thoughts Joe. Can't disagree with your conclusion that promotion is a must this season, but Lambert still feels like a gamble with question marks on his ability to set the team up to its strengths and get a system that works effectively. The positive side of me is thinking we will come out blazing and that Lambert has learnt lessons from last season. But as I have repeated: we lack an experienced and technical number 2 to support Lambert's other attributes.
Who do you think is going to truly emerge from the youth, who I assume are really:
DOWNES
DOZZELL
Dobra
El Mizouni
Lankester
McGavin
Morris
Folami
Brown
Simpson
Smith
Surely we have a team to get promoted from this?! and yet you look at the quality of Oxford coaching and we're back to the same concerns.
SENIOR PLAYERS:
Tomas Holy
Luke Chambers
James Wilson
Luke Woolfenden
Gwion Edwards
Cole Skuse
Kayden Jackson
James Norwood
Jon Nolan
Janoi Donacien
Harry Wright
Teddy Bishop
Alan Judge
Freddie Sears
Arsitote Nsiala
Kane Vincent-Young
Myles Kenlock
Emyr Huws
Aaron Drinan
Barry Cotter [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 10:25]
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Hard to tell with toungsters at the moment, assuming you say Downes and Dozzell have made it, I'd certainly have one of the 2 Ben's in that middle category, likely at the expense of McGavin and have that as the ones pushing to be in the squad but seen as first teamers.
The rest will fight it out with the U23s, and hopefully get a lucky break | |
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| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 11:11 - Aug 10 with 2546 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 10:59 - Aug 10 by itfcjoe |
Hard to tell with toungsters at the moment, assuming you say Downes and Dozzell have made it, I'd certainly have one of the 2 Ben's in that middle category, likely at the expense of McGavin and have that as the ones pushing to be in the squad but seen as first teamers.
The rest will fight it out with the U23s, and hopefully get a lucky break |
Lankester should be a star this season if his injuries havent taken too much of a toll. | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 11:11 - Aug 10 with 2545 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Over 21 players.... on 10:53 - Aug 10 by itfcjoe |
£113k isn't a massive salary by any means, doubled up with fact it will likely entail a geographic move and being on a 1 year contract I think you'll see lots of people drop out of the game
And there is a massive difference between a League 1 footballer for a club that sells 30k tickets to games at £20 a head compared to one selling 2k tickets. One brings with it more pressure, prestige and should bring more salary |
Especially when £5k a week is absolute chicken feed in the league above. Any half decent player at L1 level is going to get taken very quickly. This league is going to become a development league and reliant on the 'good nature' of Championship/PL clubs re loans very quickly - which is perhaps what they want. [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 11:12]
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| Over 21 players.... on 11:14 - Aug 10 with 2533 views | itfcjoe |
| Over 21 players.... on 11:11 - Aug 10 by tractorboy1978 |
Especially when £5k a week is absolute chicken feed in the league above. Any half decent player at L1 level is going to get taken very quickly. This league is going to become a development league and reliant on the 'good nature' of Championship/PL clubs re loans very quickly - which is perhaps what they want. [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 11:12]
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Like this.....in a simlair way as the PL was set up to help the England national team:
http://www.thefa.com/~/media/files/pdf/england/the-fa-chairmans-england-commissi
2) The development of strategic Loan Partnerships between clubs
We propose the creation of a new type of relationship between clubs, called a
Strategic Loan Partnership (SLP). Complementary to the existing loan arrangements
(which would continue), the primary difference with an SLP is that the lending club
would be able to guide the loaned player’s experience more closely while on loan. We
believe this would increase the use and effectiveness of loans for development and
overcome many of the limitations of current loan experiences.
Under this proposal, Premier League and Championship clubs would be entitled to
establish SLPs with up to two clubs in divisions below the Championship. The senior
club could lend each lower club up to eight players in a season, although only five
could be on the team sheet at any one time. With the SLP, the senior club could also
lend coaches to transfer expertise plus further support in the areas of sports science,
nutrition, and education to bring benefit to both clubs. Part or all of loaned players’
wages could be paid by the club.
We estimate there could be fifteen lower league teams that enter into SLPs
with Premier League or Championship clubs. If each SLP generates just over five
development places for English players (the places are reserved for eight Home Grown
Players, of which we assume approximately 65% will be English), this translates into 83
new development places for English players, further increasing the supply of players
with greater competitive experience
It's just laying the ground for B teams, Feeder clubs, etc | |
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| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 11:17 - Aug 10 with 2522 views | Bluefish |
| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 10:28 - Aug 10 by Herbivore |
I honestly don't know how anyone can think that there are merely reservations about Lambert. There's nearly 2 years' worth of evidence that he's absolutely hopeless. We got worse under him as the season progressed last season, that doesn't suggest a manager that is learning and improving. |
It wasnt that long ago really before you finally saw through him. You were very critical of peopls saying the things that you now say. For some people it comes from watching the football, for others like you it comes from watching the league table, there must be a 3rd option for others | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 11:17 - Aug 10 with 2527 views | JackPITFC |
| Over 21 players.... on 10:19 - Aug 10 by PhilTWTD |
I know some were watching him last season but, as you say, we're not aware of any which have made him offers. |
Are you essentially saying we have no chance of signing Garbutt then Phil  | | | |
| Over 21 players.... on 11:33 - Aug 10 with 2498 views | Boy_Railey |
What happens to players whose contracts expire in 2021 but the club has an option of a further year.? For instance, Bishop, Sears, Jackson...If the options were taken up would the contracts count as the ‘league average’ or would the actual wages be counted? Thinking this would have a significant bearing on which players were retained or released if it was another season in League 1. |  | | |
| Over 21 players.... on 11:44 - Aug 10 with 2482 views | monty_radio |
| Over 21 players.... on 09:58 - Aug 10 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed, not a lot we can offer to the likes of Garbutt, bearing in mind he is understood to have been on £26,500 last season. |
A millionaire - but still you wanna go where somebody knows your name | |
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| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 11:50 - Aug 10 with 2476 views | Herbivore |
| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 11:17 - Aug 10 by Bluefish |
It wasnt that long ago really before you finally saw through him. You were very critical of peopls saying the things that you now say. For some people it comes from watching the football, for others like you it comes from watching the league table, there must be a 3rd option for others |
You've been proven wrong on this time and time again so probably best you pipe down. | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 12:05 - Aug 10 with 2471 views | PhilTWTD |
| Over 21 players.... on 11:33 - Aug 10 by Boy_Railey |
What happens to players whose contracts expire in 2021 but the club has an option of a further year.? For instance, Bishop, Sears, Jackson...If the options were taken up would the contracts count as the ‘league average’ or would the actual wages be counted? Thinking this would have a significant bearing on which players were retained or released if it was another season in League 1. |
As I understand it, their wages would count in full. However, there was a report, which I've not seen confirmed, that contracts offered to players under-24 will count at the agreed average amount, ie £125,000 from 2021/22. | | | |
| Over 21 players.... on 12:09 - Aug 10 with 2456 views | Keno |
| Over 21 players.... on 12:05 - Aug 10 by PhilTWTD |
As I understand it, their wages would count in full. However, there was a report, which I've not seen confirmed, that contracts offered to players under-24 will count at the agreed average amount, ie £125,000 from 2021/22. |
any chance you can do a diagram to show the wage cap calculations I'm getting a bit lost with all the big long explanation
thanks xx |  |
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| Over 21 players.... on 12:34 - Aug 10 with 2423 views | PhilTWTD |
| Over 21 players.... on 12:09 - Aug 10 by Keno |
any chance you can do a diagram to show the wage cap calculations I'm getting a bit lost with all the big long explanation
thanks xx |
As you say, it is very complicated and I think to some extent some things are still being worked out. | | | |
| Over 21 players.... on 12:36 - Aug 10 with 2416 views | Herbivore |
| Over 21 players.... on 12:34 - Aug 10 by PhilTWTD |
As you say, it is very complicated and I think to some extent some things are still being worked out. |
Rather than a diagram, could you explain it to us via the medium of interpretive dance? | |
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| Over 21 players.... on 12:37 - Aug 10 with 2413 views | PhilTWTD |
| Over 21 players.... on 12:36 - Aug 10 by Herbivore |
Rather than a diagram, could you explain it to us via the medium of interpretive dance? |
Not in this heat. | | | |
| Over 21 players.... on 12:39 - Aug 10 with 2400 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Over 21 players.... on 12:37 - Aug 10 by PhilTWTD |
Not in this heat. |
Video to come, but probably not until October | |
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| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 12:44 - Aug 10 with 2387 views | unstableblue |
| Great analysis, thoughts on younger players who will bolster us on 10:28 - Aug 10 by Herbivore |
I honestly don't know how anyone can think that there are merely reservations about Lambert. There's nearly 2 years' worth of evidence that he's absolutely hopeless. We got worse under him as the season progressed last season, that doesn't suggest a manager that is learning and improving. |
I was just trying to be a little positive Herbivore.. we're lumped with him it seems.
There were several good performances last term.. but sadly all against lower opposition.
Do I have to write again about the 'T' word and how Lambert, his assistants, and the footballing structure set-up around him by Marcus looks to be horribly flawed?
Having sunk into the negative mire again... I do think KVY and perhaps the emergence of pace from Lanketser, El Mizouni or Dobra could be a game changer... BELIEVE!!!! | |
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