| A workaround to the salary cap 12:55 - Aug 11 with 12974 views | Kesgrave_Exile |
I was having a think as to how we can circumvent the new salary cap and I think the only way you can do that is load up the promotion bonus which is unrestricted.
For example:
Town sign a player and agree that without the cap the wage would be agreed at £10,000 a week (£520k p.a) on a three year contract.
However the player goes down on the books as officially as £113k a year based (£2.5m divided by 22).
Basically you agree a promotion bonus for example £100k then you top it up with the difference between the agreed wage (£520k) and the book wage (113k).
So every year the promotion bonus increases to reflect the difference in the salary. Once promotion is secured the player would then go up to the originally agreed salary (10k).
This is heavily reliant on promotion being obtained but I think for a club like Ipswich who are deemed a 'big' club in the division we can attract players on the basis on the chances of promotion.
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 18:29 - Aug 11 with 6404 views | TieDyedIn95 |
We could have avoided it entirely had we been promoted. Just saying...
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 18:53 - Aug 11 with 6366 views | BryanPlug |
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 18:58 - Aug 11 with 6359 views | BrixtonBlue |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 18:53 - Aug 11 by BryanPlug |
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If he wants any way of recouping his investment, yes. Staying down in League 1 for any length of time won't. |  |
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 19:38 - Aug 11 with 6337 views | RegencyBlue |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 18:58 - Aug 11 by BrixtonBlue |
If he wants any way of recouping his investment, yes. Staying down in League 1 for any length of time won't. |
Even Evans has supposedly accepted he will never recoup his investment. |  | | |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 20:24 - Aug 11 with 6290 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 13:37 - Aug 11 by Keno |
maybe we would need an 11th place bonus?
I think a promotion bonus is probably a little bit optimistic |
Trouble with that is...
If we are eighth, say, with a couple of games to go and two wins might get us to the play-offs the players would be incentivised to lose the games in order to finish 11th and get the big pay packet. |  |
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 20:50 - Aug 11 with 6263 views | thatdamgood89 |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 15:41 - Aug 11 by leftback |
Say a player we want to buy a player from championship who is on 10k a week with 2 years left on his contract and available for 500k,,what is stopping us getting the selling club to continue to pay the wages but we pay the exaggerated price of £1.5 mill to cover the wages |
Nothing as far as I am aware to be honest |  |
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 00:26 - Aug 12 with 6125 views | Melford |
If cups are different then just give them the basic salary then a massive win bonus for winning the first game in the Leasing.com Trophy. |  |
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 10:34 - Aug 12 with 6055 views | BrixtonBlue |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 00:26 - Aug 12 by Melford |
If cups are different then just give them the basic salary then a massive win bonus for winning the first game in the Leasing.com Trophy. |
yeah I said this on page 1. Seems the obvious workaround to me. | |
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 12:10 - Aug 12 with 6024 views | thatdamgood89 |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 10:34 - Aug 12 by BrixtonBlue |
yeah I said this on page 1. Seems the obvious workaround to me. |
not sure if this has been mentioned but signing on fees would be another workaround I believe. | |
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 12:21 - Aug 12 with 6020 views | itfcjoe |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 12:10 - Aug 12 by thatdamgood89 |
not sure if this has been mentioned but signing on fees would be another workaround I believe. |
They aren't, they are included |  |
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 13:33 - Aug 12 with 5999 views | thatdamgood89 |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 12:21 - Aug 12 by itfcjoe |
They aren't, they are included |
absolutely right fella. I'd read from the D2D3 twitter account that was a way and hadn't then checked in with the resourced.
Good spot. | |
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 09:37 - Aug 13 with 5952 views | StokieBlue |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 13:05 - Aug 11 by SWGF |
Bonuses for goals, clean sheets, etc are included in the salary cap, but competition bonuses (promotion, cup win, etc) are NOT.
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From the EFL's site:
When calculating total salary spending, the ‘cap’ includes:
Basic Wages;
Taxes;
Bonuses;
Image rights;
Agents’ fees and;
Other fees and expenses paid directly or indirectly to all registered players.
Payments directly linked to a Club’s progression in cup competitions or promotion are excluded from the Cap, while any income generated from players going out on loan is deducted from the Club’s Salary Cap calculation. |
If goals and clean sheet bonuses aren't included then surely that's an excellent way of incentivising players to do the things they are actually supposed to do (score for forwards, clean sheets for defenders etc).
It's literally performance related pay then which seems better anyway and the incentives could be large.
What about front-loading the total package by paying a large signing-on fee? Looks from your list that might be covered in the cap though.
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 09:41 - Aug 13 with 5940 views | Herbivore |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 09:37 - Aug 13 by StokieBlue |
If goals and clean sheet bonuses aren't included then surely that's an excellent way of incentivising players to do the things they are actually supposed to do (score for forwards, clean sheets for defenders etc).
It's literally performance related pay then which seems better anyway and the incentives could be large.
What about front-loading the total package by paying a large signing-on fee? Looks from your list that might be covered in the cap though.
SB |
Sadly I think bonuses based on individual performance count towards the cap. Think it's only some competition related bonuses that don't count. |  |
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 09:42 - Aug 13 with 5940 views | itfcjoe |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 09:37 - Aug 13 by StokieBlue |
If goals and clean sheet bonuses aren't included then surely that's an excellent way of incentivising players to do the things they are actually supposed to do (score for forwards, clean sheets for defenders etc).
It's literally performance related pay then which seems better anyway and the incentives could be large.
What about front-loading the total package by paying a large signing-on fee? Looks from your list that might be covered in the cap though.
SB |
Goals and clean sheet bonuses are included - it's basically every possible payment (direct and indirect) made to a player or their representative bar promotion or cup bonuses
We have a lot of bonuses in our contracts, so maybe players on a lower basic and those who play see their wages topped up to a decent level, and then if tema does well they go up further
That has been years in the making and now needs to be ripped up as can only really pay people a basic now | |
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 09:43 - Aug 13 with 5934 views | OsborneOneNil |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 09:37 - Aug 13 by StokieBlue |
If goals and clean sheet bonuses aren't included then surely that's an excellent way of incentivising players to do the things they are actually supposed to do (score for forwards, clean sheets for defenders etc).
It's literally performance related pay then which seems better anyway and the incentives could be large.
What about front-loading the total package by paying a large signing-on fee? Looks from your list that might be covered in the cap though.
SB |
Think goals and clean sheet ‘bonus’ is included, bud.
Cup and Promotion bonus are not. |  | | |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 09:46 - Aug 13 with 5927 views | StokieBlue |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 09:41 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
Sadly I think bonuses based on individual performance count towards the cap. Think it's only some competition related bonuses that don't count. |
Fair enough - I was going on the earlier post that said they weren't included.
How can that work though?
It's an unquantifable number when the contract is signed thus you can't know if you will stay within budget at the end of the season.
The competition bonus looks rife for abuse, assuming we can win a cup match.
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 09:50 - Aug 13 with 5917 views | PhilTWTD |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 13:33 - Aug 12 by thatdamgood89 |
absolutely right fella. I'd read from the D2D3 twitter account that was a way and hadn't then checked in with the resourced.
Good spot. |
This is what the EFL statement said: “When calculating total salary spending, the ‘cap’ includes: Basic wages, taxes, bonuses, image rights, agents’ fees and other fees and expenses paid directly or indirectly to all registered players.
“Payments directly linked to a club’s progression in cup competitions or promotion are excluded from the cap, while any income generated from players going out on loan is deducted from the club’s salary cap calculation." |  | | |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 09:52 - Aug 13 with 5914 views | StokieBlue |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 09:50 - Aug 13 by PhilTWTD |
This is what the EFL statement said: “When calculating total salary spending, the ‘cap’ includes: Basic wages, taxes, bonuses, image rights, agents’ fees and other fees and expenses paid directly or indirectly to all registered players.
“Payments directly linked to a club’s progression in cup competitions or promotion are excluded from the cap, while any income generated from players going out on loan is deducted from the club’s salary cap calculation." |
I assume that is calculated at the end of the season as obviously it's an unknown quantity how many goals someone will score.
It could get to the point where someone scores 40 goals and that success puts you over the cap which is just silly (exaggerated example of course).
SB [Post edited 13 Aug 2020 9:52]
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 09:52 - Aug 13 with 5909 views | hype313 |
lets all be honest here, this salary cap works well for our illustrious owner, it helps stem the losses each year, so even if there were loopholes/workarounds he would turn a blind eye.
Also, given how far we are away from the PL compared to when he took us over, he realizes that it's not going to happen unless we have some monumental luck, wealthy businessmen don't make their fortunes just by luck.
End of the day, this squad should be more than capable to at the very least mount a challenge, if it doesn't then it is down to bad management, which is why i'm pessimistic about the forthcoming season... |  |
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| A workaround to the salary cap on 10:00 - Aug 13 with 5894 views | PhilTWTD |
| A workaround to the salary cap on 09:52 - Aug 13 by StokieBlue |
I assume that is calculated at the end of the season as obviously it's an unknown quantity how many goals someone will score.
It could get to the point where someone scores 40 goals and that success puts you over the cap which is just silly (exaggerated example of course).
SB [Post edited 13 Aug 2020 9:52]
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On an ongoing basis, according to a bit of this: “Clubs exceeding the ‘overrun’ would be referred to an Independent Disciplinary Commission, although the EFL will monitor the cap on a real-time basis throughout the season as is the current position with SCMP measures across the two divisions.”
I do take your point re bonuses taking you over the limit, presumably that's why there is the permitted five per cent overrun.
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