| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? 14:27 - Sep 1 with 5841 views | BrixtonBlue |
Because let's be honest, Lambert isn't the main problem. Manager after manager has struggled to get a decent tune, let alone any success, out of the sh!tshow he's been left by the previous incumbent.
I can't be too pissed off with Evans either. I've agreed with every managerial appointment at the time, and why we all want him to put in more money to sign better players, he is keeping us going and has put more money into the club than anyone else in history.
So what actually needs to change?
Well the football climate has changed, money-wise. But there's something to be said for having not only knowledgable football people running the club, but people with a deep care for the club. A care like us fans have.
So it seems to me, we need the following;
1. A very rich person or consortium to take the reins off Evans and pump more cash in than he can.
2. Proper football people to come back and run things, like the Cobbolds did. If part 1 was realised I'd bring Sheepshanks back. Yes he made mistakes, but he knows football, knows and loves the club. This might include getting someone like Burley back... or giving Dyer a chance. People who bleed blue. Because they're obviously going to give more than the next hopeful on the managerial conveyor belt. I hear that Lambert doesn't really have relationships with the players. That's like the opposite of Sir Bobby, and may be why it hasn't worked with most of the managers in the Evans era. When we've worked well it's been when people involved in the club are people who love it. Otherwise we're just A.N.Other FC.
3. I think Jim Magilton was onto something when he made that dossier about The Ipswich Way. We've lost that, lost what made Ipswich 'Ipswich.' Those values gave us an edge, to punch above our weight. Mick McCarthy is the best manager we've had in 20 years - and that says it all. His football (and I'm not really knocking him because he did the best he could with the tools he was given) was not the Ipswich way.
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:28 - Sep 1 with 2593 views | Herbivore |
I think currently as things stand Lambert is our biggest issue and main problem. I'd be tempted to get someone with Town connections in to replace him, maybe the Burley/Dyer dream ticket or something. Worth giving it a go. |  |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:33 - Sep 1 with 2567 views | ITFC_Forever |
Point 1 is partly redundant due to the salary cap... although money above and beyond the cap can be spent on other areas of the club rather than scrimping and saving every penny possible.
PL is part of the problem, so he can go immediately.
With regard to ME.... he's made bad decisions at every turn - but they have been compounded to an extent by other factors outside of his control. When he took over, we became one of the bigger hitters in the Champ. But since then, and especially since parachute payments increased to the ludicrous size they are now, we went to being one of the smallest. The game's got richer and he can't or won't move with it.
As has been said on her before (frequently), every time there's a change in the football industry, we're the wrong side of the fence, and with the advent of the salary caps in L1 and L2, we are so yet again.
There could become a point where a player could earn more playing in the Conference than for ITFC - players in non-league clubs were earning £3k plus a week 17 years ago, so I assume there are still some earning that down there. |  |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:34 - Sep 1 with 2559 views | Swansea_Blue |
Simple. Try again under a new owner.
Whether you agreed or not at the time with the managerial appointments, he's got pretty much every major decision wrong. Yes, change will be a risk, but Evans' tenure has been a car crash. |  |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:35 - Sep 1 with 2562 views | itfcjoe |
At the moment, the biggest problem is Lambert because, for all Evans faults and there re plenty, he is financing a squad that is head and shoulders above most in this division.
But longer term, if Evans is to remain in charge, then he needs to cede authority to someone - the club needs a Chief Executive, someone on the ground who works here 24/7 and has the authority to make decisions, for Marcus - rather than for everything to be referred back to him.
Derek bowden did this when Sheepy was in charge, and Sheepy was a footballing man, but I don't think ME runs any of his businesses like this |  |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:36 - Sep 1 with 2546 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Posted the below in another thread recently
But in the short term we should get rid of Lambert, who has proven to be hopeless
Is it time to follow the Brentford model? by C_HealyIsAPleasure 31 Jul 2020 9:47You can’t though, the whole point is that they are very good at the data approach as they have invested significantly in it - using funds saved from not running an academy etc. Realistically there is no way we would be able to do it as effectively without huge investment which isn’t going to happen
IMO rather than trying to jump on what another club is doing and coming up with a half-a*sed version we should be focusing on implementing an Ipswich model. For me that would be continuing to focus on the academy with a clear pathway into the team (which means managers actually being committed to blooding young players properly even if it takes them time to get up to speed). That would be coupled with accepting that the best of those players will ultimately move on - and then using those funds to both sign standout players from the lower divisions (a bit like the Hurst Summer but not en masse and looking a level above) plus sprinkling in the odd experienced FA and loans. Finally ensuring we hire managers that fit with this approach and keep some sense of continuity of playing style and approach, even if it doesn’t have to be exactly the same
Alas the above would need some thought, investment in the short term and patience, so probably isn’t going to be implemented anytime soon!
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:39 - Sep 1 with 2530 views | Swailsey |
I think ideally:
Get out of this league asap, otherwise it will only get worse. I think getting rid of PL is the best way to make that happen.
If we're in the league above, we may be a more attractive proposition for a potential buyer (since Evans doesn't seem to fancy/is able to make a go of it properly now). |  |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:41 - Sep 1 with 2523 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
I thought similar yesterday. Evans to remain as owner but install Sheppy as chairman and step down from that role.
Burley into the DOF position.
Klug to concentrate on Academy recruitment and development to CAT1.
Taricco or perhaps Kuqi offered the managers role, with Dyer as assistant to be prepared for the role in 3 years |  |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:41 - Sep 1 with 2519 views | BrixtonBlue |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:28 - Sep 1 by Herbivore |
I think currently as things stand Lambert is our biggest issue and main problem. I'd be tempted to get someone with Town connections in to replace him, maybe the Burley/Dyer dream ticket or something. Worth giving it a go. |
I happen to know Dyer isn't interested in working with Burley, sadly. I'm not mucking about now, I genuinely have a good source on this. He might be interested in another experienced guy though. I suspect Burley's previous success makes Dyer a little reticent.
Your thinking that Lambert is our biggest issue and main problem is obviously wrong. We've been on a downward spiral for 20 years, mate. We need to look bigger for the problems of ITFC. | |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:42 - Sep 1 with 2510 views | Darth_Koont |
Agree with most of that. Probably adding to point 3 but I think we need to be much more long-term in our thinking. In Mick's last year I thought we were seeing signs of things happening with youngsters coming through (however painful the wait was) but that long-term sustainable approach that was adding value to the squad was immediately abandoned when Mick left.
I'd say that's been Evans's biggest failure. Not actually sticking to an overall strategy and letting managers go their own way too often. |  |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:47 - Sep 1 with 2491 views | BrixtonBlue |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:35 - Sep 1 by itfcjoe |
At the moment, the biggest problem is Lambert because, for all Evans faults and there re plenty, he is financing a squad that is head and shoulders above most in this division.
But longer term, if Evans is to remain in charge, then he needs to cede authority to someone - the club needs a Chief Executive, someone on the ground who works here 24/7 and has the authority to make decisions, for Marcus - rather than for everything to be referred back to him.
Derek bowden did this when Sheepy was in charge, and Sheepy was a footballing man, but I don't think ME runs any of his businesses like this |
I'll give you an up-arrow for paragraphs 1 and 2, but I think you're deluded in saying Lambert is our biggest problem. Come on. We've been cr@p for years fella. Lambert being cr@p as well is neither here or there. You must've realised by now that the problems run deeper? | |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:52 - Sep 1 with 2469 views | Swansea_Blue |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:35 - Sep 1 by itfcjoe |
At the moment, the biggest problem is Lambert because, for all Evans faults and there re plenty, he is financing a squad that is head and shoulders above most in this division.
But longer term, if Evans is to remain in charge, then he needs to cede authority to someone - the club needs a Chief Executive, someone on the ground who works here 24/7 and has the authority to make decisions, for Marcus - rather than for everything to be referred back to him.
Derek bowden did this when Sheepy was in charge, and Sheepy was a footballing man, but I don't think ME runs any of his businesses like this |
Sure. But then the Lambert problem is of Evans' making. It all comes back to the person who keeps getting all the main decisions wrong.
I can't see him ceding authority to anyone now. The only way decisions will be made in a different way will be under a different owner. We've had 13 years of this; a few half-hearted interviews where we've been told things are going to change for the better. But they never do. We've failed on and off the pitch, repeatedly. | |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:53 - Sep 1 with 2472 views | Steve_M |
Structure and modest investment in the running of the club.
It's clear now that Lambert even if not the caricature painted by some of his most vehement critics isn't going to succeed here - the noises coming out from people around the club are too pointed and too frequent. And that's really annoying because it's been obvious since March ME wasn't going to sack him so we drag out a few months before that reaches a tipping point.
Evans has never had a proper structure at the club in all his time here, Lee O'Neill is doing about five jobs and is therefore stretched too thinly to do all of them well. It's questionable how much decision making power he has even within those roles? It's also clear that Evans is often too slow to make decisions and put them into action - the Lambert contract being a case in point in that by the time it was agreed it was laughable.
On top of that the decision to concentrate outgoings on players (and management) wages means that too many other things at the club are half-arsed. See above re: LON but also the tiredness around the club, the state of the ground and training ground before the much needed clean up. Lambert was right about this stuff, it had been allowed to slide for too long.
So in short, put a decision maker in to support LON, spend more on infrastructure than a revolving list of players and make a better choice of manager next time. |  |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:55 - Sep 1 with 2458 views | BlueBadger |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:47 - Sep 1 by BrixtonBlue |
I'll give you an up-arrow for paragraphs 1 and 2, but I think you're deluded in saying Lambert is our biggest problem. Come on. We've been cr@p for years fella. Lambert being cr@p as well is neither here or there. You must've realised by now that the problems run deeper? |
Lambert isn't our biggest problem, but he's our most immediate. Whist Evans' long history of poor decisions and mismanagement have ultimately resulted in us ending up in League One, Lambert's utter inability to pick, coach, motivate a team and establish a basic formation and style of play over 78 games in charge will have the ultimate result of us being in the lower divisions for a number of years to come. [Post edited 1 Sep 2020 15:19]
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:57 - Sep 1 with 2430 views | ITFC_Forever |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:47 - Sep 1 by BrixtonBlue |
I'll give you an up-arrow for paragraphs 1 and 2, but I think you're deluded in saying Lambert is our biggest problem. Come on. We've been cr@p for years fella. Lambert being cr@p as well is neither here or there. You must've realised by now that the problems run deeper? |
That is true- but also in Joe's defence.... the immediate step we need to make in the shortish term is promotion back to the Champ this season, which doesn't seem likely with PL as manager. | |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:59 - Sep 1 with 2421 views | Herbivore |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:41 - Sep 1 by BrixtonBlue |
I happen to know Dyer isn't interested in working with Burley, sadly. I'm not mucking about now, I genuinely have a good source on this. He might be interested in another experienced guy though. I suspect Burley's previous success makes Dyer a little reticent.
Your thinking that Lambert is our biggest issue and main problem is obviously wrong. We've been on a downward spiral for 20 years, mate. We need to look bigger for the problems of ITFC. |
Plenty seem to agree with me that Lambert is currently out biggest problem. He did take us down to the third tier and has managed to keep us there so it's not exactly a hot take. Our only half decent spell in the last decade plus happened to coincide with us having a competent manager so much as there are issues, a decent manager can still do reasonably well here. There seems to be a ceiling though which is primarily down to finances in the Championship and Prem going bonkers. | |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 15:00 - Sep 1 with 2420 views | itfcjoe |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:47 - Sep 1 by BrixtonBlue |
I'll give you an up-arrow for paragraphs 1 and 2, but I think you're deluded in saying Lambert is our biggest problem. Come on. We've been cr@p for years fella. Lambert being cr@p as well is neither here or there. You must've realised by now that the problems run deeper? |
But any decent manager should have had us in the top 6 as a very minimum, and should be looking towards automatics this year - that Lambert hasn't, with what he has at his disposal should be enough for him to be seen as a huge problem.
Obviously Evans is culpable for him being here, he appointed him, he gave him a ludicrous contract, and he (so far) hasn't sacked him, so it's fair to say everything does go back to Evans.
But things were no different under Evans when Mick had us finishing 6th and 7th in the league above - a good manager can overcome bad ownership to an extent, and even help by managing upwards with regards to player transfer valuations, for both purchases and sales and utilising their connections. | |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 15:07 - Sep 1 with 2389 views | BrixtonBlue |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:41 - Sep 1 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I thought similar yesterday. Evans to remain as owner but install Sheppy as chairman and step down from that role.
Burley into the DOF position.
Klug to concentrate on Academy recruitment and development to CAT1.
Taricco or perhaps Kuqi offered the managers role, with Dyer as assistant to be prepared for the role in 3 years |
Absolutely this. Radical changes are needed. People who can't see the problems run much deeper than Lambert are deluded and looking for an easy scapegoat. | |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 15:08 - Sep 1 with 2380 views | factual_blue |
What's this doing in'general'? It's a football post. |  |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 15:15 - Sep 1 with 2361 views | BrixtonBlue |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:55 - Sep 1 by BlueBadger |
Lambert isn't our biggest problem, but he's our most immediate. Whist Evans' long history of poor decisions and mismanagement have ultimately resulted in us ending up in League One, Lambert's utter inability to pick, coach, motivate a team and establish a basic formation and style of play over 78 games in charge will have the ultimate result of us being in the lower divisions for a number of years to come. [Post edited 1 Sep 2020 15:19]
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You've failed to understand the thrust of my post. I've included getting rid of Lambert. Look at the bigger picture. Wake up, we've been sh!t for years. | |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 15:16 - Sep 1 with 2350 views | BrixtonBlue |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:57 - Sep 1 by ITFC_Forever |
That is true- but also in Joe's defence.... the immediate step we need to make in the shortish term is promotion back to the Champ this season, which doesn't seem likely with PL as manager. |
No-one's disputing that. | |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 15:17 - Sep 1 with 2346 views | Coco |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 15:00 - Sep 1 by itfcjoe |
But any decent manager should have had us in the top 6 as a very minimum, and should be looking towards automatics this year - that Lambert hasn't, with what he has at his disposal should be enough for him to be seen as a huge problem.
Obviously Evans is culpable for him being here, he appointed him, he gave him a ludicrous contract, and he (so far) hasn't sacked him, so it's fair to say everything does go back to Evans.
But things were no different under Evans when Mick had us finishing 6th and 7th in the league above - a good manager can overcome bad ownership to an extent, and even help by managing upwards with regards to player transfer valuations, for both purchases and sales and utilising their connections. |
Evans - Full of all the right words."Five point plans", "Play youth", "attractive football" etc.
Lambert - says all the right things about playing style, all pulling in the same direction etc.
O'Neill - Full of all the correct jargon about football and business etc.
All at the club are full to the brim with words, many many inspiring and well intentioned words. NOBODY at the club has any idea to action these words. All bluster with no direction or substance. We need somebody high up with a clear direction and plan to action it
It isn't rocket science but we seem to make everything so very hard for ourselves. All the feckin time. [Post edited 1 Sep 2020 15:18]
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 15:17 - Sep 1 with 2341 views | BlueBadger |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 15:15 - Sep 1 by BrixtonBlue |
You've failed to understand the thrust of my post. I've included getting rid of Lambert. Look at the bigger picture. Wake up, we've been sh!t for years. |
I have. That's why I said Evans was our main problem. | |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 15:19 - Sep 1 with 2334 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 15:15 - Sep 1 by BrixtonBlue |
You've failed to understand the thrust of my post. I've included getting rid of Lambert. Look at the bigger picture. Wake up, we've been sh!t for years. |
They do and we have but put it this way.
Are things so bad that Mick wouldn't get this side promoted? I'd put money on it he would.
I also think that we'd have finished higher last season than we did under Mark Robins, under Nathan Jones, under Joey Barton and even under Steve Evans!
Things are bad. But we could easily have been promoted last season under a semi competent manager, so Lambert is the biggest issue right now whilst Evans has us with a squad capable of top 6,
In a year or two we won't have and it'll all be on Evans but for now any reasonable manager has the tools available to be right up there in this division. |  |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 15:22 - Sep 1 with 2315 views | Illinoisblue |
Stop hiring managers named Paul. |  |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 15:22 - Sep 1 with 2316 views | BrixtonBlue |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 14:59 - Sep 1 by Herbivore |
Plenty seem to agree with me that Lambert is currently out biggest problem. He did take us down to the third tier and has managed to keep us there so it's not exactly a hot take. Our only half decent spell in the last decade plus happened to coincide with us having a competent manager so much as there are issues, a decent manager can still do reasonably well here. There seems to be a ceiling though which is primarily down to finances in the Championship and Prem going bonkers. |
Plenty seem to agree with me = argumentum ad populum.
Why have so many other managers failed?
The next manager will fail too, unless we change things properly. Pull back a bit. Look at the managers we've had in the last 20 years and look at the success they've had. Just changing the manager is clearly not the answer. | |
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