| Devil's advocate re: Downes 14:58 - Sep 1 with 3163 views | TractorBoyOlly |
If we sold him for £5m plus add ons it gives us some funds to go and get another couple of players with money that we're not going to get anywhere else in these times.
He's got a good amount of experience here, if he wants to progress good luck to him.
I still think we are light at Centre Half (particularly if woolfy is disgruntled too) with Chambers and Wilson not getting any younger and Nsiala unreliable.
We're also light in the wing department as neither Jackson or sears are wingers. Even if we got a PL loanee in for the season.
State of where we're at I'm afraid. |  |
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| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 14:59 - Sep 1 with 2792 views | geg1992 |
The reality is, there's no point selling him because even if we get money for him, we're extremely restricted regarding further signings because of this stupid salary cap. |  |
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| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 15:04 - Sep 1 with 2761 views | groovyASH |
| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 14:59 - Sep 1 by geg1992 |
The reality is, there's no point selling him because even if we get money for him, we're extremely restricted regarding further signings because of this stupid salary cap. |
Gives us a chance to get a couple of good loans in though which would otherwise be out of our league.
It may also give us transfer funds to get good league 1 and 2 players in who we could pay more money too than their current contract does.
However, I wouldn't trust Lambert to know what positions he needs to strengthen.
Personally think we need a CB in and to let Nsiala go, I am most worried about our striker and winger options though and in an ideal world, we would get a flexible Wiseman and another central striker in. I don't expect us to do this, as our numbers are too bloated with players who do not stand out from one another |  |
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| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 15:23 - Sep 1 with 2700 views | J2BLUE |
It would be a good deal if we got £4m up front and £1m was enough to get rid of Lambert.
Then the new manager could have £1.5m for signings/wages/loans and the other £1.5m could go towards running costs.
Would be a fair use of the money IMO. |  |
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| I keep saying it... on 15:28 - Sep 1 with 2679 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 15:23 - Sep 1 by J2BLUE |
It would be a good deal if we got £4m up front and £1m was enough to get rid of Lambert.
Then the new manager could have £1.5m for signings/wages/loans and the other £1.5m could go towards running costs.
Would be a fair use of the money IMO. |
...sell him for £4m plus add ons...
...AND LOAN HIM BACK FOR NEXT SEASON.
Everyone's happy. |  |
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| I keep saying it... on 15:31 - Sep 1 with 2661 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I keep saying it... on 15:28 - Sep 1 by Marshalls_Mullet |
...sell him for £4m plus add ons...
...AND LOAN HIM BACK FOR NEXT SEASON.
Everyone's happy. |
Given he's played in the championship, and done well enough, they'll want him out on loan at a club at that level, I'd expect.
We'd be stupid not to ask, but I suspect Palace would say no. |  |
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| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 15:34 - Sep 1 with 2646 views | TractorWood |
| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 15:23 - Sep 1 by J2BLUE |
It would be a good deal if we got £4m up front and £1m was enough to get rid of Lambert.
Then the new manager could have £1.5m for signings/wages/loans and the other £1.5m could go towards running costs.
Would be a fair use of the money IMO. |
Agree but won't happen. We'll sell him for £3m and spend £0. |  |
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| I keep saying it... on 15:37 - Sep 1 with 2634 views | J2BLUE |
| I keep saying it... on 15:28 - Sep 1 by Marshalls_Mullet |
...sell him for £4m plus add ons...
...AND LOAN HIM BACK FOR NEXT SEASON.
Everyone's happy. |
You do but everyone's ignoring you because it won't happen. He would be loaned to the Championship. | |
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| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 15:40 - Sep 1 with 2618 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
£5m plus add ons would be good business I think now. We've had cases where we have turned down good money and the players have just fallen away with unrest and performance levels, McGoldrick, Bart and Judge are examples.
You don't want unhappy campers, and I would wish him the best of luck should he move to the Premier League, as long as we get a good deal out of it. |  |
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| I keep saying it... on 15:42 - Sep 1 with 2608 views | textbackup |
| I keep saying it... on 15:37 - Sep 1 by J2BLUE |
You do but everyone's ignoring you because it won't happen. He would be loaned to the Championship. |
imagine he was loaned to..... no I cant say it...... and they gained prom..... no im not gonna say it |  |
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| I keep saying it... on 15:45 - Sep 1 with 2593 views | J2BLUE |
| I keep saying it... on 15:42 - Sep 1 by textbackup |
imagine he was loaned to..... no I cant say it...... and they gained prom..... no im not gonna say it |
I hadn't thought of that... | |
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| I keep saying it... on 15:52 - Sep 1 with 2561 views | textbackup |
| I keep saying it... on 15:45 - Sep 1 by J2BLUE |
I hadn't thought of that... |
I had, I find if I imagine the worse thing possible then anything less is a bonus! | |
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| I keep saying it... on 15:56 - Sep 1 with 2541 views | pointofblue |
| I keep saying it... on 15:42 - Sep 1 by textbackup |
imagine he was loaned to..... no I cant say it...... and they gained prom..... no im not gonna say it |
I hope he’d at least have the decency to reject that one but who am I kidding? Very few footballers have a sense of loyalty or respect for rivalry nowadays. | |
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| I keep saying it... on 15:58 - Sep 1 with 2528 views | textbackup |
| I keep saying it... on 15:56 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
I hope he’d at least have the decency to reject that one but who am I kidding? Very few footballers have a sense of loyalty or respect for rivalry nowadays. |
young team, play nice football, likely to be top 2 at end of the season..... if he's career driven its a no brainer | |
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| I keep saying it... on 16:11 - Sep 1 with 2497 views | daisyisabaddog |
| I keep saying it... on 15:42 - Sep 1 by textbackup |
imagine he was loaned to..... no I cant say it...... and they gained prom..... no im not gonna say it |
They have taken Oliver Skipp on loan from Spurs who is a better player than Downes.
Anyone who thinks Downes is worth more than £3m is living in cloud cuckoo land | | | |
| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 16:15 - Sep 1 with 2478 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 14:59 - Sep 1 by geg1992 |
The reality is, there's no point selling him because even if we get money for him, we're extremely restricted regarding further signings because of this stupid salary cap. |
We've planned to sell him all summer.... lets be honest and the money will go towards plugging the losses from failing to be promoted and the COVID-19 situation. We were never keeping Downes this season, this is all just a formality as far as I am concerned. It's a business, we need to make money and he needs to make more money than we can ever pay him. He's off. I don't like it but the club is what it is now.
It's just bad timing for the club with Wolfie also appearing to want out, which will naturally seriously deflate and already depressed and frankly bored fanbase, in that the year may change but we're still seeing the same old crud at Ipswich. But what do we expect?
This club is in an absolutely terrible state. Hanging on to the type of players we need to go up is going to be hard when we cannot pay them what we want to and we're in a tinpot division that offers them only limited opportunities. There's no plan, only bluster, we have a management team thats the envy of no one, a dilapidated stadium and while our facilities are good for League One, they don't cut it compared to the majority in the top 2 tiers of English football.Why would you stay at Ipswich? WHy would you join us? There's a reason the majority of our signings have often played below even this level of football. That's where we have sunk. Some may not like it, but we are in turmoil.
In football you get what you deserve and I would say the club is in the exact place it deserves to be based on it's leadership over the last 12 years.
What needs to change for it to work?
Everything. |  |
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| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 16:19 - Sep 1 with 2453 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 15:23 - Sep 1 by J2BLUE |
It would be a good deal if we got £4m up front and £1m was enough to get rid of Lambert.
Then the new manager could have £1.5m for signings/wages/loans and the other £1.5m could go towards running costs.
Would be a fair use of the money IMO. |
Buying players on £1300 a week shouldn’t cost £1.5 m
We maybe able to get a free trf or 2 for that wage. |  | | |
| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 16:22 - Sep 1 with 2438 views | J2BLUE |
| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 16:19 - Sep 1 by BtreeBlueBlood |
Buying players on £1300 a week shouldn’t cost £1.5 m
We maybe able to get a free trf or 2 for that wage. |
If that's all we would be able to get then frankly it's not worth bothering and we need to use it on loan fees. | |
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| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 16:45 - Sep 1 with 2396 views | Ace_High1 |
Sell him and then we will give Lambert another 2 year extension and re-sign Leon Best on a free. |  | | |
| I keep saying it... on 16:47 - Sep 1 with 2392 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I keep saying it... on 15:37 - Sep 1 by J2BLUE |
You do but everyone's ignoring you because it won't happen. He would be loaned to the Championship. |
That depends though.
I would make it a condition of the deal and tell them to take it or leave it.
Simple. | |
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| I keep saying it... on 16:48 - Sep 1 with 2391 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I keep saying it... on 15:31 - Sep 1 by Swansea_Blue |
Given he's played in the championship, and done well enough, they'll want him out on loan at a club at that level, I'd expect.
We'd be stupid not to ask, but I suspect Palace would say no. |
Make it a condition of the transfer.
It's not difficult. | |
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| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 16:49 - Sep 1 with 2387 views | PhilTWTD |
I don't think £4m/£5m is far away from what would be accepted with top-ups. But at the moment I'm told Palace have offered only £1.6m. Long way to go before they get where they'd need to be to tempt Marcus. |  | | |
| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 18:35 - Sep 1 with 2226 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 16:49 - Sep 1 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think £4m/£5m is far away from what would be accepted with top-ups. But at the moment I'm told Palace have offered only £1.6m. Long way to go before they get where they'd need to be to tempt Marcus. |
If transfer request the gut feeling is £3million and probably 10% sell on on profit.
All just so depressing. | |
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| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 18:41 - Sep 1 with 2210 views | BryanPlug |
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| I keep saying it... on 18:42 - Sep 1 with 2204 views | Wickets |
| I keep saying it... on 15:28 - Sep 1 by Marshalls_Mullet |
...sell him for £4m plus add ons...
...AND LOAN HIM BACK FOR NEXT SEASON.
Everyone's happy. |
Sorry but we will not get 4 mill ! |  | | |
| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 18:42 - Sep 1 with 2205 views | BryanPlug |
| Devil's advocate re: Downes on 16:49 - Sep 1 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think £4m/£5m is far away from what would be accepted with top-ups. But at the moment I'm told Palace have offered only £1.6m. Long way to go before they get where they'd need to be to tempt Marcus. |
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