| Knudson 21:10 - Oct 5 with 7013 views | itfc_bucks |
I presume all those who were so pleased he got hounded out in favour of Kenlock are equally giddy at the prospect of an extended period of Myles playing every week? |  | | |  |
| Knudson on 01:00 - Oct 6 with 1828 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
Didn’t like Knudsen, don’t like Kenlock.
I cannot remember exactly, but think I was in the camp of in favour of Kenlock, but got that wrong badly. Downgrade on Knudsen, really worry with Kenlock in the team.
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| Knudson on 08:26 - Oct 6 with 1751 views | BiGDonnie |
Absolutely pathetic. Grow up. |  |
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| Knudson on 08:29 - Oct 6 with 1751 views | Herbivore |
| Knudson on 00:24 - Oct 6 by judespiveyg |
I never understood why we didn't play Knudsen at centre half, he always played really well there, I'd have preferred him there to the likes of Nsiala, Webster, latter years Berra and most of the others who played there during his time here, always solid and enough pace to complement slower players like Chambers or Smith.
Patchy at full back I thought though, solid enough defensively but not nearly good enough going forward, which is a shame because he could actually cross quite well. Never looked remotely comfortable with the ball at his feet and had a knack of slicing it out of play.
In comparison to Kenlock, Knudsen's the better out and out defender (hence his ability at centre half). People are quite harsh on Kenlock though, I think people make the mistake of thinking he's worse than he actually is because he isn't very elegant. (People made the same mistake about Chalobah and Pennington). Kenlock's far better going forward than Knudsen was and is actually quite a good dribbler even if his final ball can be a little wayward. It's not like he's a hopeless defender either. I think for a full back in today's game the ability the get forward is as important as defensive ability so for me I still think Kenlock's the better full back.
Knudsen is a better centre half than Kenlock is a left back though. |
You think Kenlock is a better full back than Knudsen? That is an absolutely awful shout. |  |
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| Knudson on 08:55 - Oct 6 with 1737 views | MonkeyAlan |
| Knudson on 21:38 - Oct 5 by BryanPlug |
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| Knudson on 09:33 - Oct 6 with 1715 views | GeoffSentence |
Excellent cross by Jordan Spence there. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 09:33 - Oct 6 with 1716 views | judespiveyg |
| Knudson on 08:29 - Oct 6 by Herbivore |
You think Kenlock is a better full back than Knudsen? That is an absolutely awful shout. |
I today's game it's more important for a full back to be able to attack than defend (Trent, Walker, Robertson). Kenlock's a patchy defender but pretty decent going forward, Knudsen was pretty decent at the back but wasn't any good going forward. It's wrong and outdated to rate full backs purely on defensive ability.
I'm not saying Kenlock's great, or even any better than the level he's playing at, but Knudsen was just too limited going forward to be considered a competant full back. Chambers is a better full back than Knudsem because he can get forward just has never quite had the pace to chase back. Knudsen always looked like a centre half (and a good one at that) playing out of position. [Post edited 6 Oct 2020 9:39]
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| Knudson on 09:45 - Oct 6 with 1697 views | ArnieM |
| Knudson on 21:43 - Oct 5 by BlueBadger |
I bet he was gutted to be playing European football rather see loads of new grounds and being part of the Better Football we've seen here. |
Guess it’s a bit like winning the league every year and qualifying for European footie when you play for Celtic. No other clubs competing in a one club division in Scotland either , just like Sweden! |  |
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| Knudson on 10:09 - Oct 6 with 1681 views | itfc_bucks |
Apologies for firing one into the group and then wandering off - had a few things to get sorted.
Bottom line here is that Jonas was a perfectly adequate left back, not on pop-star wages that suffered principally for not being Aaron Cresswell or Tyrone Mings. Absolutely legions of users on here were calling for him to be dropped in favour of "one of our own", and here we are, a couple of years down the road and no nearer seeing Kenlock anywhere near the required standard. | | | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:10 - Oct 6 with 1681 views | Herbivore |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 09:33 - Oct 6 by judespiveyg |
I today's game it's more important for a full back to be able to attack than defend (Trent, Walker, Robertson). Kenlock's a patchy defender but pretty decent going forward, Knudsen was pretty decent at the back but wasn't any good going forward. It's wrong and outdated to rate full backs purely on defensive ability.
I'm not saying Kenlock's great, or even any better than the level he's playing at, but Knudsen was just too limited going forward to be considered a competant full back. Chambers is a better full back than Knudsem because he can get forward just has never quite had the pace to chase back. Knudsen always looked like a centre half (and a good one at that) playing out of position. [Post edited 6 Oct 2020 9:39]
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Yeah even on that basis I disagree. Has Kenlock ever set up a goal here, or scored one? Knudsen contributed something like 7 or 8 assists the season before we got relegated, which is very good for a full back, and usually chipped in with a couple of goals a season. Knudsen has played international football and European football as a full back. He was a decent full back for a top half Championship side. Kenlock can't even get into a League 1 side and when he does he looks out of his depth. Sorry mate, however you try and spin it there is no case to be made that Kenlock is a better full back than Knudsen. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:15 - Oct 6 with 1672 views | patrickswell |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:10 - Oct 6 by Herbivore |
Yeah even on that basis I disagree. Has Kenlock ever set up a goal here, or scored one? Knudsen contributed something like 7 or 8 assists the season before we got relegated, which is very good for a full back, and usually chipped in with a couple of goals a season. Knudsen has played international football and European football as a full back. He was a decent full back for a top half Championship side. Kenlock can't even get into a League 1 side and when he does he looks out of his depth. Sorry mate, however you try and spin it there is no case to be made that Kenlock is a better full back than Knudsen. |
Re Kenlock assists, he set up Dozzell’s goal vs Lincoln in the Cup last season. I’d also like to see him on penalty duties after he scored one in the shootout at Peterborough last season while doing a Charleston-style run up to the ball and sending the keeper the wrong way. |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:18 - Oct 6 with 1663 views | Herbivore |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:15 - Oct 6 by patrickswell |
Re Kenlock assists, he set up Dozzell’s goal vs Lincoln in the Cup last season. I’d also like to see him on penalty duties after he scored one in the shootout at Peterborough last season while doing a Charleston-style run up to the ball and sending the keeper the wrong way. |
I'd like to see him nowhere near our team. | |
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| Knudson on 10:22 - Oct 6 with 1655 views | BlueBadger |
| Knudson on 09:45 - Oct 6 by ArnieM |
Guess it’s a bit like winning the league every year and qualifying for European footie when you play for Celtic. No other clubs competing in a one club division in Scotland either , just like Sweden! |
What a loser, eh? He could have been part of the Lambert Revolution. |  |
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| Knudson on 10:30 - Oct 6 with 1645 views | BrixtonBlue |
I think hounded out is maybe a bit strong, but there were certainly several on here who didn't rate him (i.e. the sadly departed Libbers). He's miles better than Miles and I'd have hime back now in a heartbeat. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:32 - Oct 6 with 1644 views | judespiveyg |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:10 - Oct 6 by Herbivore |
Yeah even on that basis I disagree. Has Kenlock ever set up a goal here, or scored one? Knudsen contributed something like 7 or 8 assists the season before we got relegated, which is very good for a full back, and usually chipped in with a couple of goals a season. Knudsen has played international football and European football as a full back. He was a decent full back for a top half Championship side. Kenlock can't even get into a League 1 side and when he does he looks out of his depth. Sorry mate, however you try and spin it there is no case to be made that Kenlock is a better full back than Knudsen. |
I said in my original post that it always slightly dissapointed me that Knudsen wasn't good going forward because he had a very decent cross on him, hence the assists. Doesn't mean he could dribble or pass very well. He very rarely overlapped his winger either which I actually think may have contributed to why those teams tended to not have a lot of width (they were also pretty rubbish in midfield but that's beside the point.)
I guess my overall point was less about who the better player is and more about the fact Knudsen really wasn't that good to begin with so no one should really be that worried with Kenlock at left back. [Post edited 6 Oct 2020 10:33]
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:36 - Oct 6 with 1638 views | Herbivore |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:32 - Oct 6 by judespiveyg |
I said in my original post that it always slightly dissapointed me that Knudsen wasn't good going forward because he had a very decent cross on him, hence the assists. Doesn't mean he could dribble or pass very well. He very rarely overlapped his winger either which I actually think may have contributed to why those teams tended to not have a lot of width (they were also pretty rubbish in midfield but that's beside the point.)
I guess my overall point was less about who the better player is and more about the fact Knudsen really wasn't that good to begin with so no one should really be that worried with Kenlock at left back. [Post edited 6 Oct 2020 10:33]
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I'm struggling to understand how you can have seen them both play and reached the conclusions you've reached. Knudsen was a perfectly competent left back in the Championship. He's now playing for a decent European side, he's played competently as a full back at international level and in Europe. Kenlock looks a poor player when he gets a game in League 1. It's not even really a debate to be honest, Knudsen was and is clearly a better left back than Kenlock. When Kenlock's contract expires here I would be surprised if he gets another one with a Football League side. | |
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| Knudson on 10:49 - Oct 6 with 1632 views | SouperJim |
| Knudson on 10:09 - Oct 6 by itfc_bucks |
Apologies for firing one into the group and then wandering off - had a few things to get sorted.
Bottom line here is that Jonas was a perfectly adequate left back, not on pop-star wages that suffered principally for not being Aaron Cresswell or Tyrone Mings. Absolutely legions of users on here were calling for him to be dropped in favour of "one of our own", and here we are, a couple of years down the road and no nearer seeing Kenlock anywhere near the required standard. |
I think the issue was that he was a perfectly adequate championship left back who decided he was a perfectly adequate premier league left back, off the back of a single world cup appearance for Denmark. I think he could have been, had he stuck around and put the effort in, but rightly or wrongly nothing gets fans on your back quicker than a perceived lack of loyalty (considering we were the club to give him that platform in the first place). |  |
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| Knudson on 10:49 - Oct 6 with 1633 views | Garv |
| Knudson on 10:09 - Oct 6 by itfc_bucks |
Apologies for firing one into the group and then wandering off - had a few things to get sorted.
Bottom line here is that Jonas was a perfectly adequate left back, not on pop-star wages that suffered principally for not being Aaron Cresswell or Tyrone Mings. Absolutely legions of users on here were calling for him to be dropped in favour of "one of our own", and here we are, a couple of years down the road and no nearer seeing Kenlock anywhere near the required standard. |
Bottom line for me is that he was a negative player with little finesse or class. In a time where a huge portion of the fan base wanted us to be more exciting and positive, he was an easy target.
Kenlock looking like he's not quite good enough is completely irrelevant. This has only come up because Ward is injured. |  |
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| Knudsen was a perfectly good.... on 10:51 - Oct 6 with 1629 views | Bloots |
...left back for the Championship.
He should always be fondly remembered for giving us a couple of things to have actually been happy about in that otherwise dull 2016/17 season.
Once he pronounced his admiration for Mick then the numbskulls got on his back and he had little option but to leave.
But lets face it he would have left once we got relegated anyway.
We're a 3rd Division club with a 3rd Division left back as first choice and a 4th Division left back as back up.
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:59 - Oct 6 with 1603 views | Garv |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:10 - Oct 6 by Herbivore |
Yeah even on that basis I disagree. Has Kenlock ever set up a goal here, or scored one? Knudsen contributed something like 7 or 8 assists the season before we got relegated, which is very good for a full back, and usually chipped in with a couple of goals a season. Knudsen has played international football and European football as a full back. He was a decent full back for a top half Championship side. Kenlock can't even get into a League 1 side and when he does he looks out of his depth. Sorry mate, however you try and spin it there is no case to be made that Kenlock is a better full back than Knudsen. |
He got a good assist against Bristol City, during that sequence of 1-1 draws during the relegation year. He does do good things going forward, but not frequently enough to make up for the other things. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 11:13 - Oct 6 with 1592 views | itfc_bucks |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:59 - Oct 6 by Garv |
He got a good assist against Bristol City, during that sequence of 1-1 draws during the relegation year. He does do good things going forward, but not frequently enough to make up for the other things. |
I'd be happy for you to list all the positive acts that he's made in the first team.
I reckon you could probably manage it in a single sentence.
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| Knudson on 11:32 - Oct 6 with 1582 views | BlueBadger |
| Knudson on 10:49 - Oct 6 by SouperJim |
I think the issue was that he was a perfectly adequate championship left back who decided he was a perfectly adequate premier league left back, off the back of a single world cup appearance for Denmark. I think he could have been, had he stuck around and put the effort in, but rightly or wrongly nothing gets fans on your back quicker than a perceived lack of loyalty (considering we were the club to give him that platform in the first place). |
Knudson by BlueBadger 5 Oct 2020 21:43I bet he was gutted to be playing European football rather see loads of new grounds and being part of the Better Football we've seen here.
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| Knudson on 12:11 - Oct 6 with 1564 views | Crock |
| Knudson on 09:45 - Oct 6 by ArnieM |
Guess it’s a bit like winning the league every year and qualifying for European footie when you play for Celtic. No other clubs competing in a one club division in Scotland either , just like Sweden! |
6 different clubs have won the Allsvenskan in the last 10 years. |  |
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| Knudson on 14:16 - Oct 6 with 1527 views | itfc_bucks |
| Knudson on 12:11 - Oct 6 by Crock |
6 different clubs have won the Allsvenskan in the last 10 years. |
but, as ever in here, let's not let facts get in the way of anything! | | | |
| Knudson on 20:03 - Oct 6 with 1491 views | AYACCA |
I don't think real people care about what we say on here. |  | | |
| Knudson on 23:37 - Oct 6 with 1462 views | jayessess |
| Knudson on 10:09 - Oct 6 by itfc_bucks |
Apologies for firing one into the group and then wandering off - had a few things to get sorted.
Bottom line here is that Jonas was a perfectly adequate left back, not on pop-star wages that suffered principally for not being Aaron Cresswell or Tyrone Mings. Absolutely legions of users on here were calling for him to be dropped in favour of "one of our own", and here we are, a couple of years down the road and no nearer seeing Kenlock anywhere near the required standard. |
Knudsen probably got more stick than he deserved because of his predecessors, but "perfectly adequate championship left back" is a bit of a historical rewrite for me. He was one of the main experienced professionals for what were, at the time, 3 of the worst seasons in our modern history. He gave the ball away *constantly* because the aimless long ball was his default setting. He's now a squad player for a club in a very minor league where the standard is considerably lower than the Championship because no one better came along to make him an offer, even on a free.
Kenlock was then a promising young player and football fans are optimists. That's all it is. |  |
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