| It’s not really a question of “If†now 16:02 - Oct 14 with 12964 views | Darth_Koont |
Behind the record 58% in favour of independence, I’ve never seen these figures for the older age groups.
The prospects that Westminster can offer any sort of answer are bleak too. In fact, they’re looking more irrelevant than ever. |  |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:45 - Oct 14 with 3110 views | factual_blue |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:05 - Oct 14 by Swansea_Blue |
Can't we give the Brexiteers Kent? They'll be the other side of the border then. There's a joke about them being Kents in there somewhere as well. |
Consider it done.
Now, norfolk..... |  |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:47 - Oct 14 with 3115 views | factual_blue |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:28 - Oct 14 by Keno |
It's ok but be subject to a few conditions
1, you take back Lorraine Kelly
2, Englands gets Tunnocks and Iron Bru
3, You let the Shetlands decide what they want to be
4, you tell us the actual f*** is going on in Loch Ness
5, you confirm once and for all should be spelt Whiskey
6, we never have to see or hear from Nicola Sturgeon again
please feel free to add others |
7. You stop pretending you invented everything.
8. You accept Scotch men actually carried out most of the brutality visited upon the world by the British Empire | |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:49 - Oct 14 with 3108 views | Herbivore |
Moved up here at the right time. |  |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:49 - Oct 14 with 3109 views | bluelagos |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:24 - Oct 14 by Darth_Koont |
Not the same issue as before. The Catalan issue is about getting independence within the EU. |
For the Catalans, absolutely.
So why would the Spanish govt welcome as Independent Scotland into the EU and set a precedent for Catalonia to follow? |  |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:50 - Oct 14 with 3107 views | Darth_Koont |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:41 - Oct 14 by Keno |
Can you at least settle point 4? |
Nessie is 100% real and not at all invented by the Scottish Tourist Board and the local cruise companies. | |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:54 - Oct 14 with 3097 views | pointofblue |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:13 - Oct 14 by Darth_Koont |
No question about it.
What sort of country wouldn’t want to be on the inside of the largest and most enlightened trade bloc in the world? |
Could be an interesting question about the border, unless a deal is somehow thrashed out. |  |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:55 - Oct 14 with 3096 views | Darth_Koont |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:49 - Oct 14 by bluelagos |
For the Catalans, absolutely.
So why would the Spanish govt welcome as Independent Scotland into the EU and set a precedent for Catalonia to follow? |
But the UK is outside the EU.
The Spanish government’s concern was that the EU can’t provide the framework for separatists within an EU country to be independent. Which it probably does.
I think they’d have been manageable on that point anyway but now it’s nothing to do with Spain. It would be akin to them rejecting Czech Republic, Slovakia or any of the former Yugoslav nations which of course they didn’t do. | |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:00 - Oct 14 with 3073 views | bluelagos |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:55 - Oct 14 by Darth_Koont |
But the UK is outside the EU.
The Spanish government’s concern was that the EU can’t provide the framework for separatists within an EU country to be independent. Which it probably does.
I think they’d have been manageable on that point anyway but now it’s nothing to do with Spain. It would be akin to them rejecting Czech Republic, Slovakia or any of the former Yugoslav nations which of course they didn’t do. |
Ah, see your logic. Not 100% convinced but I do see your argument. | |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:00 - Oct 14 with 3075 views | m14_blue |
How on earth are there still 42% who want to stay tied to the English?
I’m a devout unionist but England is a shambles right now and too many of the English people have shown themselves to be, at the absolute best, gullible, small minded, xenophobic idiots.
Good luck to the scots, I’m sure they’ll do better without us holding them back. | | | |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:01 - Oct 14 with 3065 views | bluelagos |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:00 - Oct 14 by bluelagos |
Ah, see your logic. Not 100% convinced but I do see your argument. |
And to add, if I was Scottish I'd be a Scot Nat for sure. In fact I wonder if we could invite Nichola to be PM down here :-) A sort of Scottish takeover for a few months... | |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:06 - Oct 14 with 3060 views | Darth_Koont |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:54 - Oct 14 by pointofblue |
Could be an interesting question about the border, unless a deal is somehow thrashed out. |
I’m sure there’s some argument about seamless, unfettered trade and they need our shortbread more than we need their reality TV shows.
But to be honest, getting away from that nonsense is half the point. I’m sure there will be sizeable issues to overcome but there are much bigger, long-term risks attached to being part of the UK as it disappears up its own @rsehole. | |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:10 - Oct 14 with 3042 views | Darth_Koont |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:01 - Oct 14 by bluelagos |
And to add, if I was Scottish I'd be a Scot Nat for sure. In fact I wonder if we could invite Nichola to be PM down here :-) A sort of Scottish takeover for a few months... |
Yeah, she’s not perfect and the Scottish government has its own institutional issues, but still feels light years beyond the politics and government of Westminster.
The latter seems barely functional for the 20th century let alone the 21st century. [Post edited 14 Oct 2020 18:11]
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:13 - Oct 14 with 3029 views | Swansea_Blue |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 17:49 - Oct 14 by Herbivore |
Moved up here at the right time. |
I didn't realise you're in our north of the border club. Whereabouts are you? |  |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:14 - Oct 14 with 3029 views | pointofblue |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:06 - Oct 14 by Darth_Koont |
I’m sure there’s some argument about seamless, unfettered trade and they need our shortbread more than we need their reality TV shows.
But to be honest, getting away from that nonsense is half the point. I’m sure there will be sizeable issues to overcome but there are much bigger, long-term risks attached to being part of the UK as it disappears up its own @rsehole. |
The loss of the Labour vote north of the border has hurt the party and the U.K. as a whole hard. The key with the vote will be to keep it factual and not allow a ‘them v us’ narrative creep in from either side; that just results in bitterness whoever wins.
The situations are very difference but your second paragraph is very similar to what some supporters of Brexit were saying... | |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:17 - Oct 14 with 3026 views | Darth_Koont |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:01 - Oct 14 by bluelagos |
And to add, if I was Scottish I'd be a Scot Nat for sure. In fact I wonder if we could invite Nichola to be PM down here :-) A sort of Scottish takeover for a few months... |
I think we should all move up there. We could take over a small club like Falkirk or Stirling Albion and make it into a feeder club for Ipswich. Or vice versa. | |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:19 - Oct 14 with 3027 views | noggin |
I would be eligible for 4 passports, I reckon. Already got UK and Ireland, could get Norweigian if I wanted and my old man is Scottish. |  |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:23 - Oct 14 with 3020 views | Darth_Koont |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:14 - Oct 14 by pointofblue |
The loss of the Labour vote north of the border has hurt the party and the U.K. as a whole hard. The key with the vote will be to keep it factual and not allow a ‘them v us’ narrative creep in from either side; that just results in bitterness whoever wins.
The situations are very difference but your second paragraph is very similar to what some supporters of Brexit were saying... |
Maybe from your perspective but for me it’s the same argument. I want to be part of the world and not deal with made up nationalist b@ll@cks.
For all the talk about nationalism North of the border, the SNP is a reaction to toxic, ethnic nationalism and selfishness more than anything else. It’s social democracy at its heart and a belief that people, irrespective of nationality, deserve better from society and the country and community they live in. | |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:31 - Oct 14 with 3008 views | Darth_Koont |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:00 - Oct 14 by m14_blue |
How on earth are there still 42% who want to stay tied to the English?
I’m a devout unionist but England is a shambles right now and too many of the English people have shown themselves to be, at the absolute best, gullible, small minded, xenophobic idiots.
Good luck to the scots, I’m sure they’ll do better without us holding them back. |
We need a circuit breaker in British politics as much if not more than any other area.
Scottish independence is as good as anything on that score. If Westminster and the media can wake the f up and deal with the disenfranchisement and disillusionment in the UK as a desperate response to independence, then that’s great. I love the UK and believe that all its regions and citizens deserve an awful lot better.
The problem is that the UK has an awful lot of sh1t to unravel and address. And as we know we’re more likely to blame that on others than to look in the mirror. | |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:48 - Oct 14 with 2991 views | pointofblue |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:23 - Oct 14 by Darth_Koont |
Maybe from your perspective but for me it’s the same argument. I want to be part of the world and not deal with made up nationalist b@ll@cks.
For all the talk about nationalism North of the border, the SNP is a reaction to toxic, ethnic nationalism and selfishness more than anything else. It’s social democracy at its heart and a belief that people, irrespective of nationality, deserve better from society and the country and community they live in. |
I’ve always wanted to ask you this (and I’m sorry I can only give you one up vote for your post which I fully agree with) - if Labour adopted the SNP’s policies, except for independence, would that be enough for the party to step away from the New Labour shadow which has been haunting it for the last 20 years? I have to admit I’m not as educated as I should be with Scottish politics so am unsure how close the SNP manifesto was to Labour’s in 2019. | |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:50 - Oct 14 with 2987 views | Herbivore |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:13 - Oct 14 by Swansea_Blue |
I didn't realise you're in our north of the border club. Whereabouts are you? |
In the South West, only been here less than a month. | |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:51 - Oct 14 with 2986 views | SpruceMoose |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:50 - Oct 14 by Herbivore |
In the South West, only been here less than a month. |
Have your complimentary bagpipes and 'Welcome to Scotland' DVD narrated by Russ Abbott arrived yet? |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 19:04 - Oct 14 with 2977 views | Herbivore |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 18:51 - Oct 14 by SpruceMoose |
Have your complimentary bagpipes and 'Welcome to Scotland' DVD narrated by Russ Abbott arrived yet? |
Yes, it came with a tartan hat and a month's supply of haggis, neeps, and tatties. | |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 19:06 - Oct 14 with 2976 views | SpruceMoose |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 19:04 - Oct 14 by Herbivore |
Yes, it came with a tartan hat and a month's supply of haggis, neeps, and tatties. |
What what you get when you move to England? A Crusades fancy dress outfit, a book of Wetherspoons vouchers and an Italia 1990 DVD narrated by Jim Davidson I'd guess. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 19:52 - Oct 14 with 2955 views | Herbivore |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 19:06 - Oct 14 by SpruceMoose |
What what you get when you move to England? A Crusades fancy dress outfit, a book of Wetherspoons vouchers and an Italia 1990 DVD narrated by Jim Davidson I'd guess. |
Covid and a sense of entitlement. | |
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| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 19:55 - Oct 14 with 2952 views | SpruceMoose |
| It’s not really a question of “If” now on 19:52 - Oct 14 by Herbivore |
Covid and a sense of entitlement. |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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