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No deal Brexit now on the cards on 15:09 - Oct 16 by Ryorry
Don't think that quite describes it - from what I read t'other day, most of the UK quota was bought up by only 6 UK families, who then sold out to various French & Dutch fishermen.
Ahh, that'll teach me for skim reading, thanks for the clarity
No deal Brexit now on the cards on 15:47 - Oct 16 by The_Last_Baron
This is great news.
As ever, I doubt you'll be able to show us your workings.
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No deal Brexit now on the cards on 15:47 - Oct 16 by The_Last_Baron
This is great news.
That we have a lying PM so incompetent that he is having the EU pulling the pss out of him on an almost daily basis - as he keeps backing down from his worthless and hollow threats.
Having him representing the UK is like having Douglas Bader as your entry for the 100 yards hurdles
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No deal Brexit now on the cards on 17:02 - Oct 16 with 2366 views
No deal Brexit now on the cards on 14:18 - Oct 16 by DanTheMan
I was shocked to read the other day that apparently the biggest sticking point is the fishing industry.
Fishing, which makes up feck all of our economy.
Really prioritising the big ticket items.
It allows them a narrative of "war" with the French and spanish something which taps into their historical illiteracy and makes the idea of nationality an easy flag to rally around.
Basically, it's another narrative to make cheap points and gain the support of the racists and ignorant types who have lapped up all their other sh1te isn't it?
No deal Brexit now on the cards on 14:50 - Oct 16 by DanTheMan
I did see some story that the grand plan with the state aid was to try and pump money into the IT industry to create companies similar in size to Google, Amazon etc.
Of course this was so hilariously misguided because taking us out of the EU would make the job of software developers much more difficult, not easier, however much money you throw at it.
It was so bizarre I still can't believe it was true.
This is underpinning a lot of what's going on, I think - Dominic Cummings wants to pump loads of state money into state-run version of Apple / Google etc., and install himself as the CEO. The issue of state aid revolves around that dream - the conservative party, before it was hijacked by anarchists / fantasists, would have been delighted to do away with state aid for industry, its the antithesis of the economic stance of the conservative party.
The issue of fishing remains important because on the UK side it's the only card we hold in the negotiations (effectively the 2 of clubs), in terms of the extent to which we allow French / EU boats to fish in our territorial waters. Because of that we are refusing to agree on fishing until the EU agrees on state aid, dispute mechanisms and level playing field rules.
The only possible way forward now is for the EU to 'cave in' on fishing by making some small, irrelevant compromise, while we accept their substantive demands on everything else and allow a deal to be made on that basis, with Boris proclaiming success for our fishermen.
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No deal Brexit now on the cards on 18:22 - Oct 16 with 2301 views
"The only possible way forward now is for the EU to 'cave in' on fishing by making some small, irrelevant compromise, while we accept their substantive demands on everything else and allow a deal to be made on that basis, with Boris proclaiming success for our fishermen. "
Pretty much it, in a nut shell
That's why fishing is being portrayed as so important
Even though it isn't
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No deal Brexit now on the cards on 19:13 - Oct 16 with 2262 views
No deal Brexit now on the cards on 19:13 - Oct 16 by Pinewoodblue
Frost has apparently told Barnier no point in coming to London on monday.
or
"However, a European commission spokesman said: “As agreed during this week’s negotiations, Michel Barnier held a videoconference today with his UK counterpart David Frost to discuss next week’s negotiations. Both chief negotiators agreed to talk again on Monday to discuss the structure of these talks."
We are at the stage where Johnson and others are trying to get something out of the EU that might suggest the UK won.
Rather like a condemned man claiming he was allowed two cigarettes before being shot, so he won.
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No deal Brexit now on the cards on 19:51 - Oct 16 with 2230 views
No deal Brexit now on the cards on 19:40 - Oct 16 by HARRY10
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"However, a European commission spokesman said: “As agreed during this week’s negotiations, Michel Barnier held a videoconference today with his UK counterpart David Frost to discuss next week’s negotiations. Both chief negotiators agreed to talk again on Monday to discuss the structure of these talks."
We are at the stage where Johnson and others are trying to get something out of the EU that might suggest the UK won.
Rather like a condemned man claiming he was allowed two cigarettes before being shot, so he won.
Can't wait for late-November when Johnson triumphantly announces that we've got a brilliant deal and the EU have caved in, and for the Daily Mail to hail him our greatest leader since Churchill. Then a few days later someone will point out that we've actually ceded Kent to the EU as part of the customs arrangements.
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No deal Brexit now on the cards on 20:03 - Oct 16 with 2218 views
Given what the UK has achieved with the Ivory Coast, a great deal will be one where the UK comes close (ish) to what it already had with the EU.... while keeping the costs of extra customs facilities and staff below a billion or so a year.
In the meantime some ungrateful git will no doubt tot up the amount this has cost the UK so far, and what it will continue to cost going forward
..... for the UK to only end up with less than it had.
I expect Farage to crawl out of the woodwork at some point, hoping to scam more money from the not too bright, who are desperate to believe the failure was down to EU skulduggery, rather than their stupidity in believing blatant lies.
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No deal Brexit now on the cards on 21:04 - Oct 16 with 2183 views
No deal Brexit now on the cards on 17:44 - Oct 16 by gordon
This is underpinning a lot of what's going on, I think - Dominic Cummings wants to pump loads of state money into state-run version of Apple / Google etc., and install himself as the CEO. The issue of state aid revolves around that dream - the conservative party, before it was hijacked by anarchists / fantasists, would have been delighted to do away with state aid for industry, its the antithesis of the economic stance of the conservative party.
The issue of fishing remains important because on the UK side it's the only card we hold in the negotiations (effectively the 2 of clubs), in terms of the extent to which we allow French / EU boats to fish in our territorial waters. Because of that we are refusing to agree on fishing until the EU agrees on state aid, dispute mechanisms and level playing field rules.
The only possible way forward now is for the EU to 'cave in' on fishing by making some small, irrelevant compromise, while we accept their substantive demands on everything else and allow a deal to be made on that basis, with Boris proclaiming success for our fishermen.
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He's taken 5 months to create an app that doesn't work so not sure he's the strongest choice for CEO of a tech giant.
No deal Brexit now on the cards on 14:07 - Oct 16 by vapour_trail
If so many of the population weren’t so fundamentally easily led, we wouldn’t be here in the first place.
I don’t blame the likes of you who voted for it, you’re still hoovering up all the sound bites you’re spoonfed and clearly don’t have the capacity to think for yourself. It’s those that led the charge trumpeting on about project fear every day for months on end who have led us to this entirely predictable outcome.
I make you completely wrong. Thank you for your insight as to how l make decisions though. Now go back and listen to Starmer and his nonsense. He is as clueless as all the previous labour leaders.
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No deal Brexit now on the cards on 09:40 - Oct 17 with 2005 views
Cummings has interesting ideas, but fundamentally misunderstands modelling / forecasting / statistics / machine learning: these are useful tools if you have good empirical data and a robust understanding of a study system, but he sees them almost as a substitute for experts; he wants massive data scraping operations feeding in to a team of python geeks running policy optimisation code.
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No deal Brexit now on the cards on 09:48 - Oct 17 with 1994 views
No deal Brexit now on the cards on 09:48 - Oct 17 by bracknell_blue
Time for a revolution maybe? Our government is corrupt, criminal, and incompetent. And we just let them get away with it.................
Don't revolutions usually happen when a minority wants to wrest power from a more sensible 'establishment' who are prepared to be patient and let expert advice guide them through difficult times? The revolutionaries tend to proclaim their sizeable and vocal but still not a majority as 'the will of the people' and then manipulate the rules of Parliament (or make up new rules) to form a nonsense on stilts that impresses the impressionable without actually achieving anything. And they direct things behind the scenes by employing a charismatic puppet as a leader in name but not in fact.
Yes, the revolution has already happened and it is turning out to be just as dire as most previous revolutions. We are now in damage limitation territory and the only thing to do is to keep as best a distance as you can from the unfolding disaster whilst getting ready to pick up the pieces and rebuild when the revolutionaries have run out of steam and then destroyed themselves with infighting and the attribution of unfounded but vituperative blame.
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