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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together 20:52 - Oct 31 with 2086 viewsJ2BLUE

What odds that the four weeks passes and then that is the carrot which extends it for another 2-3 weeks?

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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 20:54 - Oct 31 with 2064 viewsbluelagos

Nailed on imho. By mid December the rules are relaxed for a few days so we can spend crimbo in small groups before back to lockdown.

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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 21:05 - Oct 31 with 2029 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 20:54 - Oct 31 by bluelagos

Nailed on imho. By mid December the rules are relaxed for a few days so we can spend crimbo in small groups before back to lockdown.


Have been saying this for weeks. A brief relaxation for Christmas is a nailed on cert - and this lockdown will have been specifically timed with that in mind

My best guess is the lockdown is relaxed slightly in December to start, and then for 3/4 days over Christmas further to allow either 12 or 4 households to gather indoors

The reason will be purely political - however I think there’s probably some additional long term COVID compliance benefit there too

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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 21:59 - Oct 31 with 1946 viewsvindicatedblue

The front page of the Sun in the middle of December will be Boris with a Santa suit and beard superimposed, alongside the headline “Boris Saves Christmas”.

Def info.
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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 22:09 - Oct 31 with 1910 viewsStokieBlue

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 21:05 - Oct 31 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

Have been saying this for weeks. A brief relaxation for Christmas is a nailed on cert - and this lockdown will have been specifically timed with that in mind

My best guess is the lockdown is relaxed slightly in December to start, and then for 3/4 days over Christmas further to allow either 12 or 4 households to gather indoors

The reason will be purely political - however I think there’s probably some additional long term COVID compliance benefit there too


This is probably right but I can't help but think it is a very bad idea and defies what we know about the virus.

There is a reason we have limited groups to 6 even when the virus was more "under control" in the summer, suddenly upping it that much and across 4 households that then disperse far and wide across the country would seem to be Christmas for the virus rather than us.

This was originally posted by Steve_M and is doing the rounds and is a great explanation of why 12 people or 4 households inside is a very bad idea:

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-c

As you say though, it will happen and hopefully this lockdown will get the virus to a low enough level that everyone can enjoy their Christmas.

SB
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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 22:13 - Oct 31 with 1882 viewsElderGrizzly

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 21:05 - Oct 31 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

Have been saying this for weeks. A brief relaxation for Christmas is a nailed on cert - and this lockdown will have been specifically timed with that in mind

My best guess is the lockdown is relaxed slightly in December to start, and then for 3/4 days over Christmas further to allow either 12 or 4 households to gather indoors

The reason will be purely political - however I think there’s probably some additional long term COVID compliance benefit there too


Yep, it was always going to be this way.

His ego means he has to be the saviour, the bringer of ‘good news’.

We won’t all come out of the lockdown the same though. Some, like most of East Anglia will return to Tier 1, while others will return to Tier 3
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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 22:19 - Oct 31 with 1863 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 21:59 - Oct 31 by vindicatedblue

The front page of the Sun in the middle of December will be Boris with a Santa suit and beard superimposed, alongside the headline “Boris Saves Christmas”.

Def info.


Someone was reading the board during their hiatus

Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square by C_HealyIsAPleasure 27 Sep 2020 19:51
Of course people would break a rule of 6 at Christmas, but it’ll be relaxed for the Christmas period anyway, ‘Boris saves Christmas’ is nailed on



Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square by jeera 27 Sep 2020 20:03
Oh god, there's going to be a Santa's hat superimposed on his head on the front pages and everything.


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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 23:08 - Oct 31 with 1799 viewstonybied

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 21:05 - Oct 31 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

Have been saying this for weeks. A brief relaxation for Christmas is a nailed on cert - and this lockdown will have been specifically timed with that in mind

My best guess is the lockdown is relaxed slightly in December to start, and then for 3/4 days over Christmas further to allow either 12 or 4 households to gather indoors

The reason will be purely political - however I think there’s probably some additional long term COVID compliance benefit there too


I'm just not sure how this will be possible. We are at a similar rate of hospital admissions as the start of the last lockdown now. This lockdown is not anywhere near as harsh as the last one and people are expecting it to be over quicker? It just doesn't add up to me, we don't seem to have learned anything from the first wave at all!
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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 23:15 - Oct 31 with 1785 viewswkj

I would bet my house the conditions will be relaxed for Christmas. It's like taking a spot kick for Johnson and too politically potent an opportunity to miss out on.

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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 23:36 - Oct 31 with 1746 viewsPlums

It’s either a public health emergency or it isn’t. The focus on Christmas is going to be counter productive. Personally, I’d prefer my relatives to be alive in the new year. Christmas can wait.
They sacked off Eid in the North West without a second thought.
This is dangerous politically motivated posturing.

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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 23:57 - Oct 31 with 1708 viewsHARRY10

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 23:36 - Oct 31 by Plums

It’s either a public health emergency or it isn’t. The focus on Christmas is going to be counter productive. Personally, I’d prefer my relatives to be alive in the new year. Christmas can wait.
They sacked off Eid in the North West without a second thought.
This is dangerous politically motivated posturing.


Bethelehem 26th December 0 AD

Gatherings to be limited to a small number of local flock attendees.

no travelling from far and yonder, or usage of camels for said purpose either - irrespective if need for sight test

those away from home (Nazereth) will have to remain in isolation

failing to adhere to these measures may result in drastic action (slaughter of first born)
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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 00:02 - Nov 1 with 1696 viewspistonbroke

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 21:05 - Oct 31 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

Have been saying this for weeks. A brief relaxation for Christmas is a nailed on cert - and this lockdown will have been specifically timed with that in mind

My best guess is the lockdown is relaxed slightly in December to start, and then for 3/4 days over Christmas further to allow either 12 or 4 households to gather indoors

The reason will be purely political - however I think there’s probably some additional long term COVID compliance benefit there too


The restrictions will be lifted over Xmas and the new year , the ammount of money the government gets through duty over this period will make the laws be relaxed
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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 01:11 - Nov 1 with 1662 viewsIPS_wich

The lesson from Victoria in Australia is that it took a proper lockdown (not this half ar$ed lock down BJ has introduced) about 10-12 weeks to get the numbers down to pre-lockdown level.

I fear Christmas 2020 in the UK will be the mother of all super spreader events!!
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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 01:23 - Nov 1 with 1655 viewsbournemouthblue

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 01:11 - Nov 1 by IPS_wich

The lesson from Victoria in Australia is that it took a proper lockdown (not this half ar$ed lock down BJ has introduced) about 10-12 weeks to get the numbers down to pre-lockdown level.

I fear Christmas 2020 in the UK will be the mother of all super spreader events!!


Based on the charts they put up, it looks like Christmas would be the peak of the curve?

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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 04:58 - Nov 1 with 1609 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 00:02 - Nov 1 by pistonbroke

The restrictions will be lifted over Xmas and the new year , the ammount of money the government gets through duty over this period will make the laws be relaxed


It’ll be Christmas only, not NYE - any relaxation will end on 27th or 28th I expect

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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 05:11 - Nov 1 with 1605 viewsHARRY10

If it is to be the rule of six, then Johnson will have a good excuse for not getting all is kids under one roof

those that he knows of, that is
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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 07:25 - Nov 1 with 1503 viewsCoastalblue

The other side of the argument, and trust me I'm no apologist for Boris or indeed for any politicians from the two major parties, is that people are just going to ignore advice for a full lockdown or even half arsed lockdown over Christmas anyway.

Those in power may feel that giving people less restrictive measure will mean that least some decide to keep to them and so minimise the damage as opposed to the unruly free for all that lockdown will probably inspire.

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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 07:45 - Nov 1 with 1477 viewsvindicatedblue

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 22:19 - Oct 31 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

Someone was reading the board during their hiatus

Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square by C_HealyIsAPleasure 27 Sep 2020 19:51
Of course people would break a rule of 6 at Christmas, but it’ll be relaxed for the Christmas period anyway, ‘Boris saves Christmas’ is nailed on



Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square by jeera 27 Sep 2020 20:03
Oh god, there's going to be a Santa's hat superimposed on his head on the front pages and everything.



Ha! More a case of great minds and us understanding how the Murdoch press works.

I gave this place a wide berth for a long time due to some family to related issues.
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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 08:01 - Nov 1 with 1440 viewssolomon

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 07:45 - Nov 1 by vindicatedblue

Ha! More a case of great minds and us understanding how the Murdoch press works.

I gave this place a wide berth for a long time due to some family to related issues.


And it’s absolutely wrong to think that any of the big guns will make any capital out of a lockdown so close to Christmas at the busiest time of the year with a captive and almost exclusive market, it would be foolish to assume that as one of those big guns hasn’t had a very good 3rd quarter with any excessive results.

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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 09:32 - Nov 1 with 1320 viewsStokieBlue

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 07:25 - Nov 1 by Coastalblue

The other side of the argument, and trust me I'm no apologist for Boris or indeed for any politicians from the two major parties, is that people are just going to ignore advice for a full lockdown or even half arsed lockdown over Christmas anyway.

Those in power may feel that giving people less restrictive measure will mean that least some decide to keep to them and so minimise the damage as opposed to the unruly free for all that lockdown will probably inspire.


Isn't that part of the issue though?

Putting aside that the government don't even follow their own rules, do we think that if the Germans said a lockdown was required over Christmas they would observe it? What about the French? We know the Chinese did but that was basically at gunpoint and it would see that a lot of people did in the north over Eid.

Furthermore given Christmas is usually a multi-generational event would people feel some responsibility not to visit elderly relatives? They wouldn't do that now so why would they do it then?

I honestly hope we are down to summer levels after this lockdown and it's all fine and everyone can have a lovely Christmas but I am just not sure that will be the case.

SB
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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 09:44 - Nov 1 with 1296 viewsMonkeyAlan

This is only a half @rsed lockdown. Nothing like before. The British public spend more time trying to get around the rules anyway than they do abiding by them now, so this isn't going to work. We will be straight back to lockdown after Xmas and it will be even more harsh then.
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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 10:02 - Nov 1 with 1275 viewsStochesStotasBlewe

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 01:11 - Nov 1 by IPS_wich

The lesson from Victoria in Australia is that it took a proper lockdown (not this half ar$ed lock down BJ has introduced) about 10-12 weeks to get the numbers down to pre-lockdown level.

I fear Christmas 2020 in the UK will be the mother of all super spreader events!!


"Really good to hear your update mate,
We've just come out of 3 months of not being able to go out,except for essentials or 1 hour exercise and only in a radius of 5km. We have mandatory mask wearing at ALL times while outside. This is the most annoying thing for me, i can understand wearing them inside or where social distancing is not possible, but not on a walk away from others. Fines are harsh though mate and there is total compliance because of this. Rant over, keep me updated on the situation in blighty. All the best, M@@@."
Sent to me on thursday last week from a dear friend who lives near Melbourne.
Their infection rates were very low in comparison to here.
That is a lockdown with harsh penalties for those who flout the rules. Won,t happen here though, will it.

We have no village green, or a shop. It's very, very quiet. I can walk to the pub.

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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 10:20 - Nov 1 with 1241 viewsPinewoodblue

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 09:32 - Nov 1 by StokieBlue

Isn't that part of the issue though?

Putting aside that the government don't even follow their own rules, do we think that if the Germans said a lockdown was required over Christmas they would observe it? What about the French? We know the Chinese did but that was basically at gunpoint and it would see that a lot of people did in the north over Eid.

Furthermore given Christmas is usually a multi-generational event would people feel some responsibility not to visit elderly relatives? They wouldn't do that now so why would they do it then?

I honestly hope we are down to summer levels after this lockdown and it's all fine and everyone can have a lovely Christmas but I am just not sure that will be the case.

SB


Over the next 72 hours we will receive more and more information on what is allowed and what isn’t. What we won’t be told is what will happen on 2nd December. We need to know the pathway out of lockdown, what levels of new cases, hospitalisation said etc will determine which tier we all go in.

We also need to know exactly what is planned for the holiday period, so we can plan ahead.

Know plenty if people who’s lives are up in the air with lockdown. Friends set to move back from France next month. Friends waiting for contracts to be signed so they can move etc.

Family currently in Tier 3 who need to know if it will be realistic to even think about spending part of Christmas with other family members.

Not going to happen but would be nice to hear someone in Government admit they have fcked up again.

Not sure if is just me but anyone else getting annoyed by those smug individuals either side of Boris. They have over the last seven months got so much wrong, they have so much blood on their hands.

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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 11:57 - Nov 1 with 1166 viewsStokieBlue

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 10:20 - Nov 1 by Pinewoodblue

Over the next 72 hours we will receive more and more information on what is allowed and what isn’t. What we won’t be told is what will happen on 2nd December. We need to know the pathway out of lockdown, what levels of new cases, hospitalisation said etc will determine which tier we all go in.

We also need to know exactly what is planned for the holiday period, so we can plan ahead.

Know plenty if people who’s lives are up in the air with lockdown. Friends set to move back from France next month. Friends waiting for contracts to be signed so they can move etc.

Family currently in Tier 3 who need to know if it will be realistic to even think about spending part of Christmas with other family members.

Not going to happen but would be nice to hear someone in Government admit they have fcked up again.

Not sure if is just me but anyone else getting annoyed by those smug individuals either side of Boris. They have over the last seven months got so much wrong, they have so much blood on their hands.


"We also need to know exactly what is planned for the holiday period, so we can plan ahead."

As the experts have said, you can't plan what will happen in 8 weeks time at this point. It's entirely driven by the state of the country at that time and if they did and then changed it people would go crazy.

"Family currently in Tier 3 who need to know if it will be realistic to even think about spending part of Christmas with other family members."

They know this already and the answer is that in tier 3 you are not allowed to mix with other households indoors or outdoors. If they are in tier 3 then they shouldn't be spending Christmas with their families unfortunately especially if they are in another area as there should also be no travel under tier 3.

I know it's not ideal not knowing what the rules will be in 2 months time but it's also not possible. What if they said Christmas will be on but when we get to mid-December there are 1000+ people dying everyday in hospital?

SB
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BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 13:18 - Nov 1 with 1119 viewsbluelagos

BJ seemed to deliberately mention Christmas and families being together on 09:32 - Nov 1 by StokieBlue

Isn't that part of the issue though?

Putting aside that the government don't even follow their own rules, do we think that if the Germans said a lockdown was required over Christmas they would observe it? What about the French? We know the Chinese did but that was basically at gunpoint and it would see that a lot of people did in the north over Eid.

Furthermore given Christmas is usually a multi-generational event would people feel some responsibility not to visit elderly relatives? They wouldn't do that now so why would they do it then?

I honestly hope we are down to summer levels after this lockdown and it's all fine and everyone can have a lovely Christmas but I am just not sure that will be the case.

SB


Xmas is 8 weeks away right?

Last lockdown took 12 weeks and there was very strong compliance (E.G. Traffic was down 85%) Schools were shut and even businesses that didn't need to, were closed (Greggs, McDonalds etc.) Many people were scared to even go outside and much social pressure was put on people to conform.

This time we start from a not too disimilar place (Covid death rates were mid 100s on March 23 vs mid 200s now)

It is colder now, thus any socialising (legal or otherwise) is more likely to take place indoors. People are less scared, more frustrated, especially younguns. Businesses will be far less likely to close than before.

Schools staying open will have an effect and also be being open they will not force people to stay home on child care duty, as happened in April.

I can't see rates of infection will magically drop in just 8 weeks time, faster than before. They will drop by xmas but to the level we saw in the Summer? Just can't see it happening in 8 weeks.

I think the level of compliance is going to be far lower this time for lots of reasons which clearly doesn't bode well.

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