| My conscience is clear 22:16 - Oct 31 with 9099 views | pistonbroke |
People were saying don’t vote for Corbyn , when there was only one alternative to a Tory majority which happened , who do you now blame , look at yourself in the mirror and if you voted other than labour then blame yourselves |  | | |  |
| My conscience is clear on 00:28 - Nov 1 with 2163 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| My conscience is clear on 23:05 - Oct 31 by DublinBlue84 |
This is the problem with the cult that Corbyn has created in the Labour Party.
Because the Tories won the election instead of trying to figure out why people found it hard to vote for Labour, the likes of Momentum started to blame the voters for not voting the way that they 'should have' and that this was the reason they didn't win an election.
Astute politicians realise that it's better to act in a way which broadens your appeal to the masses that makes it possible to win an election, rather than go for a policy that makes 20% of the country go crazy for it and everyone else ignore it.
There's a reason that Jeremy Corbyn was as unique as he was and the fact that people like him don't come along often, which will be the same reason as there won't be many people like that in the future - such people cannot and do not win elections.
I hate the Tories with a passion, but they realised in the last 10 years or so, that compromising on their position and tweaking their policies to attract greater number of voters is required to win elections. Corbyn was never prepared to do that which meant many voters got disenfranchised and simply stopped voting Labour. |
The Tories know that they can always rely on the forlock tugging gene...that's the problem! |  |
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| My conscience is clear on 01:04 - Nov 1 with 2141 views | BlueBadger |
| My conscience is clear on 22:30 - Oct 31 by HARRY10 |
They might have dealt with it by not appointing a cabinet of total incompetents |
They DID give Diane Abbott and John McDonnell prominent roles for a number of years. |  |
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| My conscience is clear on 07:09 - Nov 1 with 2113 views | solomon |
| My conscience is clear on 01:04 - Nov 1 by BlueBadger |
They DID give Diane Abbott and John McDonnell prominent roles for a number of years. |
Diane Abbott? That would equate to either 798,486 or minus 374 deaths per week.........or Something like that.......Jeremy? |  | | |
| My conscience is clear on 07:19 - Nov 1 with 2109 views | bluelagos |
How did you vote in the AV referendum?
A far more pertinent question as to why we continue to be governed by a shower of sh1t politicians elected on a minority vote. |  |
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| My conscience is clear on 09:03 - Nov 1 with 2085 views | marcus1642 |
I voted Conservative. Glad I did. So I look myself in the mirror knowing Brexit will be achieved, and kept the appalling Corbyn lead far left out of office. |  | | |
| My conscience is clear on 09:06 - Nov 1 with 2085 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My conscience is clear on 23:00 - Oct 31 by Ryorry |
The thing sticking out like a sore thumb for me about JC was that for all he was described as being intelligent & having huge integrity by the momentum people he appealed to, he never actually demonstrated it.
If he'd had those things, he'd have stood down from the leadership at latest by last autumn, if not before.
If he'd had those things, he'd also have issued an unequivocal apology yesterday for the antisemitism occurring within the LP on his watch, instead of quibbling about how *many* cases of antisemitism there were. |
It always baffles me with the way this country demands apologies off people. Corbyn apologised at the time, why does he need to do it again? What does it achieve? Does my head in when politicians keep demanding apologies off people - often not for any other reason than to undermine said politician. And the apologies we do get are usually insincere and meaningless anyway.
It's all just a silly game of who can look the best. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| My conscience is clear on 09:12 - Nov 1 with 2078 views | WD19 |
| My conscience is clear on 22:30 - Oct 31 by HARRY10 |
They might have dealt with it by not appointing a cabinet of total incompetents |
A game of Top Trumps between the two cabinets would be the worst ever.
Ashworth vs Hancock.
Christ. The only person who can enjoy that comparison is Jeremy Hunt. |  | | |
| My conscience is clear on 09:18 - Nov 1 with 2074 views | b1079blue |
| My conscience is clear on 22:42 - Oct 31 by HARRY10 |
Maybe Corbyn would not have swanned off on a 12 day holiday when the virus started to spread, Maybe Corbyn would nit have ducked out of five COBRA meetings.
Maybe Corbyn would have worked with the EU on an effective track and trace system, would not have handed so many contracts to his mates............
The point though, is how Johnson continual failings on this matter compare to other countries, not what another government might have done. |
Judging by the way Corbyn campaigned to stay in the EU I think not. | | | |
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| My conscience is clear on 09:22 - Nov 1 with 2069 views | b1079blue |
| My conscience is clear on 22:47 - Oct 31 by jaykay |
one thing is for sure. if labour were in power at the moment, there would be no minsters or mates of mps with their nose in the trough. making money out of p.p.e deals or brexit deals |
No,
But we would be unable to make any decisions because we are waiting for fraternal greetings from Venezuelan sheep herders and the input of the north London council for the advancement of red cabbage. | | | |
| My conscience is clear on 09:56 - Nov 1 with 2046 views | noggin |
| My conscience is clear on 22:52 - Oct 31 by DublinBlue84 |
Pretty much the same for me, as someone who would mostly be a centrist politically, who would be centre left on a number of issues and centre-right on less, I've always voted Labour my whole life until Corbyn got into power.
The last election I was left with a fully fledged left wing Labour Party or a fully fledged right wing Tory party. I agnoised about it for days about whether I could vote for Corbyn or not, but in the end I just couldn't do it as he'd moved the Labour party too far to the left for a moderate like myself.
I've encountered Corbyn in the flesh on one occasion and I have to say, despite the fact many claim he's got morals, doesn't play games, and doesn't resort to the spin like the Tories does and he's a honest politician, what I saw from him suggested he was just as likely to take part in these kind of things of any other politician. |
Where I live, Corbyn's policies would be considered centre left. Sadly, I believe the billionaire owned media have convinced the British people that his policies are hard left wing and dangerous. |  |
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| My conscience is clear on 09:57 - Nov 1 with 2045 views | noggin |
| My conscience is clear on 23:26 - Oct 31 by nodge_blue |
If Corbyn listens to his brother then they’d be no lockdown ever as it’s all a conspiracy to keep the working classes suppressed. |
Not sure what his brother has to do with anything. | |
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| My conscience is clear on 10:16 - Nov 1 with 2022 views | Darth_Koont |
| My conscience is clear on 09:56 - Nov 1 by noggin |
Where I live, Corbyn's policies would be considered centre left. Sadly, I believe the billionaire owned media have convinced the British people that his policies are hard left wing and dangerous. |
Indeed.
Probably the greatest trick the British media ever pulled is to move the centre in the UK so far to the right. As you say, compared to Scandinavia and most of the rest of Western Europe too, we have had governments that are either right-wing or center-right for the past 40-odd years.
And we can see the results in a country that’s divided on so many different lines. Changing that conversation is pretty important because at the moment things like 4 million kids living in poverty is treated as a statistic or even the natural order of things, rather than a crisis and a clear indication of policy failure. |  |
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| My conscience is clear on 10:24 - Nov 1 with 2006 views | solemio |
I voted LibDem because it was the only chance of defeating the appalling sitting Conservative in this constituency.
It worked; we got rid of the Tory. | | | |
| My conscience is clear on 10:56 - Nov 1 with 1983 views | factual_blue |
| My conscience is clear on 23:26 - Oct 31 by nodge_blue |
If Corbyn listens to his brother then they’d be no lockdown ever as it’s all a conspiracy to keep the working classes suppressed. |
Piers Corbyn is to Jeremy as boris johnson is to Jo. |  |
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| My conscience is clear on 11:06 - Nov 1 with 1970 views | IpswichBoyBlue |
Just remember this. It is easy in opposition. You can promise the moon on a stick, without ever having to deliver it. Whilst I totally agree, Labour is the right party for the vast majority of this country, don't be fooled by promises made in opposition. Corbyn and his lot would have balls it up even bigger than this berk. |  | | |
| My conscience is clear on 11:07 - Nov 1 with 1964 views | noggin |
| My conscience is clear on 11:06 - Nov 1 by IpswichBoyBlue |
Just remember this. It is easy in opposition. You can promise the moon on a stick, without ever having to deliver it. Whilst I totally agree, Labour is the right party for the vast majority of this country, don't be fooled by promises made in opposition. Corbyn and his lot would have balls it up even bigger than this berk. |
"Corbyn and his lot would have balls it up even bigger than this berk."
You can't possibly know this. | |
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| My conscience is clear on 11:22 - Nov 1 with 1949 views | b1079blue |
| My conscience is clear on 10:16 - Nov 1 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed.
Probably the greatest trick the British media ever pulled is to move the centre in the UK so far to the right. As you say, compared to Scandinavia and most of the rest of Western Europe too, we have had governments that are either right-wing or center-right for the past 40-odd years.
And we can see the results in a country that’s divided on so many different lines. Changing that conversation is pretty important because at the moment things like 4 million kids living in poverty is treated as a statistic or even the natural order of things, rather than a crisis and a clear indication of policy failure. |
I think the far left have done a pretty good job of that themselves. | | | |
| My conscience is clear on 11:24 - Nov 1 with 1944 views | noggin |
| My conscience is clear on 11:22 - Nov 1 by b1079blue |
I think the far left have done a pretty good job of that themselves. |
Who are "the far left"? | |
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| My conscience is clear on 11:39 - Nov 1 with 1933 views | tractordownsouth |
The last election was the worst choice we've ever had as a country. Two racists with a bunch of incompetents on their front benches, and a third party candidate who wanted to overturn a public vote without any referendum. We deserved better. |  |
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| My conscience is clear on 12:04 - Nov 1 with 1918 views | noggin |
| My conscience is clear on 11:39 - Nov 1 by tractordownsouth |
The last election was the worst choice we've ever had as a country. Two racists with a bunch of incompetents on their front benches, and a third party candidate who wanted to overturn a public vote without any referendum. We deserved better. |
Are you saying Corbyn is a racist or have I misread that? | |
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| My conscience is clear on 12:11 - Nov 1 with 1912 views | Darth_Koont |
| My conscience is clear on 11:39 - Nov 1 by tractordownsouth |
The last election was the worst choice we've ever had as a country. Two racists with a bunch of incompetents on their front benches, and a third party candidate who wanted to overturn a public vote without any referendum. We deserved better. |
Dearie me. That’s a pretty nasty take.
You might make electoral capital out of that argument but it’s intellectually and morally dishonest. | |
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| My conscience is clear on 12:14 - Nov 1 with 1908 views | Darth_Koont |
| My conscience is clear on 11:22 - Nov 1 by b1079blue |
I think the far left have done a pretty good job of that themselves. |
No, that’s what the press has done.
They’ve demonized socialism, unionism and let’s be honest basic social democracy so that a disturbing number of people think this stuff is far left. | |
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| My conscience is clear on 12:14 - Nov 1 with 1907 views | vindicatedblue |
| My conscience is clear on 11:39 - Nov 1 by tractordownsouth |
The last election was the worst choice we've ever had as a country. Two racists with a bunch of incompetents on their front benches, and a third party candidate who wanted to overturn a public vote without any referendum. We deserved better. |
A choice between a racist incompetent and an incompetent racist. |  | | |
| My conscience is clear on 12:21 - Nov 1 with 1886 views | giant_stow |
| My conscience is clear on 11:39 - Nov 1 by tractordownsouth |
The last election was the worst choice we've ever had as a country. Two racists with a bunch of incompetents on their front benches, and a third party candidate who wanted to overturn a public vote without any referendum. We deserved better. |
oh blimey - incoming!!! |  |
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| My conscience is clear on 12:21 - Nov 1 with 1882 views | noggin |
| My conscience is clear on 12:21 - Nov 1 by giant_stow |
oh blimey - incoming!!! |
Lies win votes. [Post edited 1 Nov 2020 12:28]
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