| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here 20:38 - Nov 15 with 12399 views | monytowbray |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 16:59 - Nov 16 with 2071 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 16:44 - Nov 16 by J2BLUE |
If you could make the whole country vegan I would be all for it, for environmental reasons. It will sound mad but i'm not entirely sold on the animal rights concept. I don't ever see a lion on tv stop and consider the rights of the gazelle. I know vegans would argue we have a choice and the ability to consider it from the animal's side but we can also weigh up the health benefits of each diet. In my opinion a perfectly done vegan diet is probably the healthiest. I would question how feasible it is for the entire population to have that perfect vegan diet and adding in selected animal products would probably make the diet of most people healthier.
I'm not sure the Youtube idea of veganism where people get up to their chia seed, almond butter and berry steel cut oats would hold up for vast majority of the population.
I always come back to the grey area in these debates. For most vegans there is no grey area and that's fine but for me I think eating far less animal products of higher quality is about where I am comfortable on being on the scale. There are certain things i've switched to that I prefer like oat milk on cereal but there are other things like cheese on a pizza which I am unwilling to give up. I eat very little meat or eggs. I buy vegan alternatives to many things like sausages etc and prefer them but i'm unwilling to go fully vegan and I don't feel particularly bad about it to be honest. |
The lion doesn't have access to meat-free gazelle. I'm sure he'd eat it though, if you gave him some. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 17:02 - Nov 16 with 2068 views | J2BLUE |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 16:59 - Nov 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The lion doesn't have access to meat-free gazelle. I'm sure he'd eat it though, if you gave him some. |
Meet me at London Zoo. We'll send you in with some soy protein gazelle chunks and we'll see  |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:12 - Nov 16 with 2028 views | monytowbray |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 16:59 - Nov 16 by J2BLUE |
That is a fair point.
Meat is murder is a point I fully acknowledge. |
Imagine being me 3-4 years ago and saying this ;) | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:20 - Nov 16 with 2026 views | NewcyBlue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:12 - Nov 16 by monytowbray |
Imagine being me 3-4 years ago and saying this ;) |
Imagine being you? I’ve just had dinner FFS.... |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:21 - Nov 16 with 2023 views | J2BLUE |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:12 - Nov 16 by monytowbray |
Imagine being me 3-4 years ago and saying this ;) |
As you've been told repeatedly, it's all about tone.
Even if you feel incredibly passionate about something you would b helping yourself to put it across better. Thankfully you now do seem to do that. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:49 - Nov 16 with 1998 views | monytowbray |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:21 - Nov 16 by J2BLUE |
As you've been told repeatedly, it's all about tone.
Even if you feel incredibly passionate about something you would b helping yourself to put it across better. Thankfully you now do seem to do that. |
I mean I did outright say the exact same thing though.
It’s okay to admit your view has changed and I was right ya’ know ;) | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:52 - Nov 16 with 1983 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 17:02 - Nov 16 by J2BLUE |
Meet me at London Zoo. We'll send you in with some soy protein gazelle chunks and we'll see |
Ah, unfortunately it's shut due to Covid. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:52 - Nov 16 with 1987 views | J2BLUE |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:49 - Nov 16 by monytowbray |
I mean I did outright say the exact same thing though.
It’s okay to admit your view has changed and I was right ya’ know ;) |
Are we talking about the meat is murder point? I never denied that to be fair. I was also replying to Herb who replied to my post saying i'm ok with the grey area of this subject. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:55 - Nov 16 with 1979 views | clive_baker |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:12 - Nov 16 by monytowbray |
Imagine being me 3-4 years ago and saying this ;) |
Carrying on like you're pioneering a 1,000 year old concept such as vegetarianism makes you look a bit silly fella. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:56 - Nov 16 with 1974 views | jeera |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:49 - Nov 16 by monytowbray |
I mean I did outright say the exact same thing though.
It’s okay to admit your view has changed and I was right ya’ know ;) |
Veganism isn't new and hasn't only been invented in the past few years. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:59 - Nov 16 with 1968 views | jeera |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:51 - Nov 16 by Herbivore |
I've been to a farm, it wasn't very nice. I think your point about city versus countryside is interesting but I'd argue it's more to do with the countryside being reliant on agriculture economically that tends to explain why you see far fewer vegans in rural areas.
Mass production of dairy and eggs means the killing of animals, there's no two ways about it. Whilst some farms might have good standards when it comes to animal welfare, many also don't. And you can't escape the fact that male calves and chicks have to be disposed of because of their inability to produce milk and eggs.
A few years back one of the chefs on Great British Menu cooked a baby male goat for his main course to highlight that so many male kids just go to waste as they are slaughtered in the production of goat milk but nobody really eats them. The goat milk and cheese industry is significantly smaller than cow dairy and egg production. Dead male animal babies are basically a by product of mass produced dairy and eggs. If you're vegetarian because you don't like the idea of killing animals for food then it's very hard to justify eating dairy or eggs.
I appreciate why that's a view you may not like given your personal connection to the dairy industry. |
I'd say the goat thing is a downright waste and wonder how much of that waste is down to a lack of marketing.
There's no reason why many people who eat sheep, and especially for those who prefer the stronger taste of mutton, wouldn't like goat.
As they seem to eat just about anything you'd think goats would be relatively economical to raise too. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 21:00 - Nov 16 with 1968 views | jeera |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:55 - Nov 16 by clive_baker |
Carrying on like you're pioneering a 1,000 year old concept such as vegetarianism makes you look a bit silly fella. |
Not to mention no one else has ever been anti-government/establishment until now. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 21:04 - Nov 16 with 1962 views | clive_baker |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 21:00 - Nov 16 by jeera |
Not to mention no one else has ever been anti-government/establishment until now. |
Lol.
Bless him, the heart's in the right place. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 21:09 - Nov 16 with 1961 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:59 - Nov 16 by jeera |
I'd say the goat thing is a downright waste and wonder how much of that waste is down to a lack of marketing.
There's no reason why many people who eat sheep, and especially for those who prefer the stronger taste of mutton, wouldn't like goat.
As they seem to eat just about anything you'd think goats would be relatively economical to raise too. |
As I posted later, tens of thousands of male calves are also killed and disposed of every year as part of dairy farming. Sickening really. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 21:59 - Nov 16 with 1918 views | monytowbray |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:56 - Nov 16 by jeera |
Veganism isn't new and hasn't only been invented in the past few years. |
Didn’t say it had, but let’s not reinvent TWTD history to make people feel better about things. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 22:01 - Nov 16 with 1918 views | monytowbray |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 21:00 - Nov 16 by jeera |
Not to mention no one else has ever been anti-government/establishment until now. |
Where on earth do you get these ideas from?
Seems a little bit silly to belittle me to make yourself feel better about your own pushback to veganism a few years back.
But if projection is how you cope with things, crack on. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 22:10 - Nov 16 with 1910 views | eireblue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 16:27 - Nov 16 by Guthrum |
I like meat, but on a day-to-day basis don't consume that much of it. What I would miss is animal products - milk, cheese, eggs - which do form a fair chunk of my intake. |
It is kind of interesting.
Smoking back in the day was even promoted by Doctors.
But now, smoking is known to cause cancer, and all sorts of other health problems, and can even effect non-smokers, hence it being banned in certain places.
But people still justify, to themselves, it is okay to smoke, presumably because they like it, and are of course addicted.
Cows milk, is breast milk, to feed calves, in order that they develop into cows/bulls. It isn’t addictive, but farming it for adult humans, does damage the environment, is not necessary for human health, and can be bad for humans, and is very bad for cows.
But yet people continue to use it, since they like it.
To me, people that use milk seem more weird than people that smoke.
Even smoking marijuana is less dangerous to the environment, humans and mammals than milk.
But one of those things is illegal to grow, distribute, and use. |  | | |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 22:13 - Nov 16 with 1905 views | monytowbray |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 22:10 - Nov 16 by eireblue |
It is kind of interesting.
Smoking back in the day was even promoted by Doctors.
But now, smoking is known to cause cancer, and all sorts of other health problems, and can even effect non-smokers, hence it being banned in certain places.
But people still justify, to themselves, it is okay to smoke, presumably because they like it, and are of course addicted.
Cows milk, is breast milk, to feed calves, in order that they develop into cows/bulls. It isn’t addictive, but farming it for adult humans, does damage the environment, is not necessary for human health, and can be bad for humans, and is very bad for cows.
But yet people continue to use it, since they like it.
To me, people that use milk seem more weird than people that smoke.
Even smoking marijuana is less dangerous to the environment, humans and mammals than milk.
But one of those things is illegal to grow, distribute, and use. |
Quit meat smoke weed.
It’s that easy. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 00:06 - Nov 17 with 1872 views | north_stand77 |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:11 - Nov 16 by clive_baker |
I think it's also as much to do with the socio demographics, namely age. Urbanites are younger on average, and they typically have an overwhelmingly greater sense of environmental conscience. 80% of vegans are <35. |
Ha! I definitely don't fit into this idea at all!
I've not eaten meat since a toddler (just over 60 years ago) and fish and eggs from about the age of 6. I've never liked cows milk either so have only had nut or plant based milk since its been more easily available.
60 years is a long while to be vegetarian/ almost vegan!
And I'm not an urbanite. |  | | |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 07:12 - Nov 17 with 1831 views | gordon |
Had a vegan hot take from Greggs the other day. Was soggier than expected. |  | | |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 08:59 - Nov 17 with 1797 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 00:06 - Nov 17 by north_stand77 |
Ha! I definitely don't fit into this idea at all!
I've not eaten meat since a toddler (just over 60 years ago) and fish and eggs from about the age of 6. I've never liked cows milk either so have only had nut or plant based milk since its been more easily available.
60 years is a long while to be vegetarian/ almost vegan!
And I'm not an urbanite. |
You must be pretty fit and healthy? Unless you mess it all up with other things?! | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:05 - Nov 17 with 1791 views | The_Romford_Blue |
I’d say a ‘pushy vegan’ is someone that tells everyone they meet that they’re a vegan and continues to promote veganism to a meat eater even when the meat eater says they’re not interested. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:06 - Nov 17 with 1760 views | eireblue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:05 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’d say a ‘pushy vegan’ is someone that tells everyone they meet that they’re a vegan and continues to promote veganism to a meat eater even when the meat eater says they’re not interested. |
Interesting.
That being the case, I have met a lot of pushy meat eaters, and no pushy vegans. | | | |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:08 - Nov 17 with 1755 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:06 - Nov 17 by eireblue |
Interesting.
That being the case, I have met a lot of pushy meat eaters, and no pushy vegans. |
Definitely my experience too. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:18 - Nov 17 with 1740 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:06 - Nov 17 by eireblue |
Interesting.
That being the case, I have met a lot of pushy meat eaters, and no pushy vegans. |
I’ve come across plenty of both.
Live and let live innit. | |
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