| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here 20:38 - Nov 15 with 12395 views | monytowbray |
GO ONNN. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:58 - Nov 17 with 1051 views | DanTheMan |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:55 - Nov 17 by Darth_Koont |
The moral aspect is a question for debate and there are no immediate answers. But it’s imperative for people to realize that these millions and billions of individual choices are a huge contributor towards climate change.
Cutting out beef and dairy (in particular) or at least significantly weaning ourselves off that dependency is one of the most critical measures in slowing down climate change. It’s also a piece of p1ss once people accept the reality of it and do it. |
Agreed.
On the subject of dairy, whilst I found milk very easy to replace, I do struggle a lot with butter. I'm a fussy bástard and really do not like the taste of margarine.
Are there any vegan butters that are closer to actual butter rather than just margarine? |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:02 - Nov 17 with 1045 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:58 - Nov 17 by DanTheMan |
Agreed.
On the subject of dairy, whilst I found milk very easy to replace, I do struggle a lot with butter. I'm a fussy bástard and really do not like the taste of margarine.
Are there any vegan butters that are closer to actual butter rather than just margarine? |
Flora Buttery is the best of the commercial ones. These guys do a couple of amazing cashew butters but they aren't cheap: www.iamnutok.com
Think I saw something purporting to be vegan butter in the supermarket the other day but can't remember which one. Either Morrisons or Tesco. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:06 - Nov 17 with 1029 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:51 - Nov 17 by Herbivore |
The issue is though, Rommers, that the choice to be a meat eater is a harmful one, both to the animals and ultimately to humanity through the impact of mass produced meat and dairy on the environment. The two choices aren't really equal in that sense. Vegans are making a choice that involves minimising harm, meat eaters aren't. And if, like me, you're an ethical vegan then it's difficult to just not care and shrug it off. It's the same with stuff like fox hunting and wearing fur, the choice to do those things is one that I find unethical so I'm not really prepared to be neutral about it and view both sides as the same. [Post edited 17 Nov 2020 12:53]
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In fairness is anyone asking you to be ‘neutral’ about it?
Genuine question.. would you be friends with someone who wasn’t a vegan? |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:07 - Nov 17 with 1024 views | DanTheMan |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:02 - Nov 17 by Herbivore |
Flora Buttery is the best of the commercial ones. These guys do a couple of amazing cashew butters but they aren't cheap: www.iamnutok.com
Think I saw something purporting to be vegan butter in the supermarket the other day but can't remember which one. Either Morrisons or Tesco. |
Thanks, I see they have a rosemary and sea salt butter which sounds right up my street. Might give that a go! | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:10 - Nov 17 with 1014 views | monytowbray |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:36 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
But does it though?
By live and let live, I mean that people should be allowed to do whichever they want. You want to be a vegan? That’s cool. I want to be a meat-eater? That’s cool too. Anyone that sees it different to that way of thinking is probably a pushy vegan or a pushy meat-eater. |
You choosing to contribute to animal suffering and destruction of the planet is not "cool" with me (or many people). You shouldn't be "cool" with it yourself either. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:10 - Nov 17 with 1012 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:29 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
They were acting like prized bellends tbf dollers. Was just so desperate to watch tbh. |
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, they sound like prize bellends. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:11 - Nov 17 with 1013 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:06 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
In fairness is anyone asking you to be ‘neutral’ about it?
Genuine question.. would you be friends with someone who wasn’t a vegan? |
Yes of course, hardly anyone I know is vegan to be fair. That doesn't stop me thinking they should all be vegan and it doesn't mean I won't put forward an argument as to why I think what they are doing is wrong if the subject arises. Your live and let live approach seemed to suggest that people shouldn't really take a strong stance or try to persuade others. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:24 - Nov 17 with 991 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:10 - Nov 17 by monytowbray |
You choosing to contribute to animal suffering and destruction of the planet is not "cool" with me (or many people). You shouldn't be "cool" with it yourself either. |
‘You shouldn’t be “cool” with it yourself either.’
And that’s why you’re a preachy vegan. I am cool with it. You don’t want me to be and that’s fine. But I am. At this point, when you continue.. its when vegans get bad press. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:28 - Nov 17 with 982 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:11 - Nov 17 by Herbivore |
Yes of course, hardly anyone I know is vegan to be fair. That doesn't stop me thinking they should all be vegan and it doesn't mean I won't put forward an argument as to why I think what they are doing is wrong if the subject arises. Your live and let live approach seemed to suggest that people shouldn't really take a strong stance or try to persuade others. |
Thanks for answering. Of course it’s a talking point. I’m not trying to suggest you shouldn’t argue the case. As I said earlier, I had a friend who was a vegan who would often make his points. It didn’t stop him being friends with meat-eaters though. You too it seems. Whereas the girl I mentioned earlier could not see past someone being a meat eater and it meant she was not friends with very many people at all at college. She would be the ‘preachy vegan’ type im suggesting.
Same question for Callis.. would you be friends with non-vegans? | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:34 - Nov 17 with 971 views | clive_baker |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:28 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
Thanks for answering. Of course it’s a talking point. I’m not trying to suggest you shouldn’t argue the case. As I said earlier, I had a friend who was a vegan who would often make his points. It didn’t stop him being friends with meat-eaters though. You too it seems. Whereas the girl I mentioned earlier could not see past someone being a meat eater and it meant she was not friends with very many people at all at college. She would be the ‘preachy vegan’ type im suggesting.
Same question for Callis.. would you be friends with non-vegans? |
The issue with living and letting live is, like a lot of things, there's a spectrum in terms of the impact that those actions are having, and where that line is drawn.
If someone wants to get naked in their house, wear makeup and dance around their kitchen that's their prerogative, it has no impact on others and good luck to them. Live and let live. If they want to walk down the street throwing insults at strangers, most would agree that isn't cool. If someone wants to drive at 100mph through a village, that isn't cool. It's not a case of living and letting live in certain situations when the law dictates that the impact of those actions is potentially harmful to others.
Eating meat isn't a crime, hence why we're not arrested for it, but the impact of our actions, as a society, are evidently harmful to the planet. It's nuanced, and runs a lot deeper than dietary choices. We all make choices on a daily basis whether it be our lifestyle, burning a coal fire to keep us warm, the car we choose to drive, or taking a plane on holiday that contribute to that impact. We're all, evidently, at different points in the spectrum where some things are deemed acceptable and some aren't, but we shouldn't deny that they're all impactful. As a result, regulations have and do evolve to make us greener as a society, whether it be higher taxes on less efficient vehicles to subsidies on greener sources of energy, but we need much more of it, and faster. That's the only way we'll see the level and speed of change required to make a difference.
What those changes are and how they're enforced is difficult to answer, and they'll be of varying degrees of complexity, but whether it's a ban on non essential imports (do we need cargo ships of rubber ducks from China?), a limit on meat production, quotas on flights, laws on sustainable packaging and single use plastic (already very much front of mind in UK retail) etc.
Global warming is the single biggest issue we face as a society and unfortunately it's not a case of living and letting live, we need a conscious move towards enforcing greener alternatives. What we eat, where we source it and how it's produced should form a part of that. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:35 - Nov 17 with 968 views | Ace_High1 |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:24 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
‘You shouldn’t be “cool” with it yourself either.’
And that’s why you’re a preachy vegan. I am cool with it. You don’t want me to be and that’s fine. But I am. At this point, when you continue.. its when vegans get bad press. |
20 pages now, minimum :) |  | | |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:38 - Nov 17 with 967 views | monytowbray |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:24 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
‘You shouldn’t be “cool” with it yourself either.’
And that’s why you’re a preachy vegan. I am cool with it. You don’t want me to be and that’s fine. But I am. At this point, when you continue.. its when vegans get bad press. |
Many people who went against social norms and have made humanity look deep into itself have got bad press. Depends what side of history you want to be on in hindsight.
You seem to be confusing “preachy” with “explaining basic fact” though. If someone is right how they make their point is simply used as deflection. It’s the old “Protest in a way I agree with or I won’t change” dilemma which fails to acknowledge the reason such protests exist is because previous methods haven’t changed things. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:39 - Nov 17 with 961 views | monytowbray |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:28 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
Thanks for answering. Of course it’s a talking point. I’m not trying to suggest you shouldn’t argue the case. As I said earlier, I had a friend who was a vegan who would often make his points. It didn’t stop him being friends with meat-eaters though. You too it seems. Whereas the girl I mentioned earlier could not see past someone being a meat eater and it meant she was not friends with very many people at all at college. She would be the ‘preachy vegan’ type im suggesting.
Same question for Callis.. would you be friends with non-vegans? |
When I was on Whatsapp and in the group football chat 90% of it was me being ripped about being a vegan. So your answer is yes I am still friends with non-vegans, but it is still socially acceptable to eat meat so you have to allow that breathing space. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:43 - Nov 17 with 946 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:07 - Nov 17 by DanTheMan |
Thanks, I see they have a rosemary and sea salt butter which sounds right up my street. Might give that a go! |
The rosemary and sea salt butter is utterly delicious. I've ordered a Christmas hamper from them so looking forward to having some of the butter again. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:46 - Nov 17 with 944 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:34 - Nov 17 by clive_baker |
The issue with living and letting live is, like a lot of things, there's a spectrum in terms of the impact that those actions are having, and where that line is drawn.
If someone wants to get naked in their house, wear makeup and dance around their kitchen that's their prerogative, it has no impact on others and good luck to them. Live and let live. If they want to walk down the street throwing insults at strangers, most would agree that isn't cool. If someone wants to drive at 100mph through a village, that isn't cool. It's not a case of living and letting live in certain situations when the law dictates that the impact of those actions is potentially harmful to others.
Eating meat isn't a crime, hence why we're not arrested for it, but the impact of our actions, as a society, are evidently harmful to the planet. It's nuanced, and runs a lot deeper than dietary choices. We all make choices on a daily basis whether it be our lifestyle, burning a coal fire to keep us warm, the car we choose to drive, or taking a plane on holiday that contribute to that impact. We're all, evidently, at different points in the spectrum where some things are deemed acceptable and some aren't, but we shouldn't deny that they're all impactful. As a result, regulations have and do evolve to make us greener as a society, whether it be higher taxes on less efficient vehicles to subsidies on greener sources of energy, but we need much more of it, and faster. That's the only way we'll see the level and speed of change required to make a difference.
What those changes are and how they're enforced is difficult to answer, and they'll be of varying degrees of complexity, but whether it's a ban on non essential imports (do we need cargo ships of rubber ducks from China?), a limit on meat production, quotas on flights, laws on sustainable packaging and single use plastic (already very much front of mind in UK retail) etc.
Global warming is the single biggest issue we face as a society and unfortunately it's not a case of living and letting live, we need a conscious move towards enforcing greener alternatives. What we eat, where we source it and how it's produced should form a part of that. |
I think that’s a good post. Some valid counterpoints.
I’ll start with the spectrum ideology. If one person things meat eating is fundamentally wrong and there’s no grey area, as most vegans are, but one person thinks it’s fine and a part of the natural world etc, as a lot (not all) are, does the spectrum not just differ for different mindsets? A vegetarian believes meat eating is wrong but drinking milk is ok. A pescatarian doesn’t eat fish. A meat eater may choose to only eat meat 3 times a week. A meat eater may eat meat every day of the year. The spectrum is a variable. So if someone has a think about it, as I imagine most of us have at some point, and comes to the conclusion that they’re going to carry on eating meat, does that make them necessarily wrong overall? In the eyes of a vegan, yes. In the eyes of me, no. It’s something that 98% of people do.
Yes it’s harmful to the environment etc, but I’ve come to the conclusion in my mind that I’m ok with that. Yes it means animals have to die, but I’ve come to the conclusion in my mind that I’m ok with that. It’s a personal choice. As you rightly say, it’s not illegal.
The point of the thread was to suggest that there’s no such thing as a preachy vegan. I totally disagree. There’s preachy vegans. There’s preachy meat eaters. I see the points of both sides. I just don’t think either side has to be preachy. ‘Live and let live’ was the term used and, in hindsight, was a bad phrase to use. Wasn’t intentionally to annoy people, although it appears to have done so. I’m never good at getting my points across which is a shame but I know what I mean to say. I just think perhaps nobody should be massively judged and ridiculed for decisions made - including on whether they choose to eat meat or not. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:46 - Nov 17 with 943 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:28 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
Thanks for answering. Of course it’s a talking point. I’m not trying to suggest you shouldn’t argue the case. As I said earlier, I had a friend who was a vegan who would often make his points. It didn’t stop him being friends with meat-eaters though. You too it seems. Whereas the girl I mentioned earlier could not see past someone being a meat eater and it meant she was not friends with very many people at all at college. She would be the ‘preachy vegan’ type im suggesting.
Same question for Callis.. would you be friends with non-vegans? |
In some ways I respect the girl you mention because that represents a real commitment to your principles. If you knew some people at your uni liked to watch child pornography then I'm sure you'd probably not want to be friends with them anymore. We all have moral lines, she has chosen to draw hers at the suffering of animals and the destruction of the environment. There are worse lines to draw. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:47 - Nov 17 with 940 views | eireblue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:27 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
You asked for an example of meat eaters being pushy so I gave you one? |
You entered into this thread before that and are still engaged.
You also, stated in your previous response, you don’t intervene in something you have zilch interest in.
So I was asking, what is that motivated you to engage and continue to engage on this thread?
I think you take part in a minority activity, promote it, and talk about. When people who are opposed to that minority activity get involved on threads on here, you react negatively to that.
Doesn’t that make you a pushy gambler? |  | | |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:51 - Nov 17 with 932 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:47 - Nov 17 by eireblue |
You entered into this thread before that and are still engaged.
You also, stated in your previous response, you don’t intervene in something you have zilch interest in.
So I was asking, what is that motivated you to engage and continue to engage on this thread?
I think you take part in a minority activity, promote it, and talk about. When people who are opposed to that minority activity get involved on threads on here, you react negatively to that.
Doesn’t that make you a pushy gambler? |
You seem to think I’m here for an argument? I have no interest in that so if that’s what you choose, I shall leave you to it. If it’s an echo chamber you wish, go for it. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:54 - Nov 17 with 927 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:39 - Nov 17 by monytowbray |
When I was on Whatsapp and in the group football chat 90% of it was me being ripped about being a vegan. So your answer is yes I am still friends with non-vegans, but it is still socially acceptable to eat meat so you have to allow that breathing space. |
It is socially acceptable. And 98% of people do it.
In fairness you’re not actually someone I’d consider a ‘preachy’ vegan anymore anyway. I came into this thread for an interesting discussion. Plenty of good points have been made and I’ve even learnt a couple of things.
Eireblue wants an echo chamber though so I shall leave you to it. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:56 - Nov 17 with 923 views | Darth_Koont |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:46 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
I think that’s a good post. Some valid counterpoints.
I’ll start with the spectrum ideology. If one person things meat eating is fundamentally wrong and there’s no grey area, as most vegans are, but one person thinks it’s fine and a part of the natural world etc, as a lot (not all) are, does the spectrum not just differ for different mindsets? A vegetarian believes meat eating is wrong but drinking milk is ok. A pescatarian doesn’t eat fish. A meat eater may choose to only eat meat 3 times a week. A meat eater may eat meat every day of the year. The spectrum is a variable. So if someone has a think about it, as I imagine most of us have at some point, and comes to the conclusion that they’re going to carry on eating meat, does that make them necessarily wrong overall? In the eyes of a vegan, yes. In the eyes of me, no. It’s something that 98% of people do.
Yes it’s harmful to the environment etc, but I’ve come to the conclusion in my mind that I’m ok with that. Yes it means animals have to die, but I’ve come to the conclusion in my mind that I’m ok with that. It’s a personal choice. As you rightly say, it’s not illegal.
The point of the thread was to suggest that there’s no such thing as a preachy vegan. I totally disagree. There’s preachy vegans. There’s preachy meat eaters. I see the points of both sides. I just don’t think either side has to be preachy. ‘Live and let live’ was the term used and, in hindsight, was a bad phrase to use. Wasn’t intentionally to annoy people, although it appears to have done so. I’m never good at getting my points across which is a shame but I know what I mean to say. I just think perhaps nobody should be massively judged and ridiculed for decisions made - including on whether they choose to eat meat or not. |
“Yes it’s harmful to the environment etc, but I’ve come to the conclusion in my mind that I’m ok with that. Yes it means animals have to die, but I’ve come to the conclusion in my mind that I’m ok with that. It’s a personal choice. As you rightly say, it’s not illegal.”
Such glib hypocrisy isn’t illegal either. Doesn’t make it right though. Wasn’t it you that was struggling to handle your emotions around a pigeon in your garden? Seems to be that if it doesn’t happen to you or you don’t have to deal with it then you don’t care. |  |
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| I'm not one to get involved with this sort of thing usually, but..... on 13:56 - Nov 17 with 925 views | Bloots |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:38 - Nov 17 by monytowbray |
Many people who went against social norms and have made humanity look deep into itself have got bad press. Depends what side of history you want to be on in hindsight.
You seem to be confusing “preachy” with “explaining basic fact” though. If someone is right how they make their point is simply used as deflection. It’s the old “Protest in a way I agree with or I won’t change” dilemma which fails to acknowledge the reason such protests exist is because previous methods haven’t changed things. |
....you seem to be ignoring the "fact" that people will have different underlying beliefs about this subject and indeed pretty much any subject.
Using "facts" to back up a belief is fine, but it is still only your belief and not everybody else's.
On this subject some people "believe" that eating/using animal products is wrong, full stop.
Some "believe" that farmed animals are the bottom of the food chain and are alive simply to be used as a source of food/products.
Some "believe" that the answer is somewhere in between and there needs to be a balance between sustainability, animal cruelty and choice.
As for being "preachy", inferring that someone will be on the wrong side of history because they don't share your belief.....well that's a bit preachy.
Lambert out. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 14:00 - Nov 17 with 922 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:54 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
It is socially acceptable. And 98% of people do it.
In fairness you’re not actually someone I’d consider a ‘preachy’ vegan anymore anyway. I came into this thread for an interesting discussion. Plenty of good points have been made and I’ve even learnt a couple of things.
Eireblue wants an echo chamber though so I shall leave you to it. |
Sure, but it used to be socially acceptable to own slaves too. It used to be socially acceptable to refuse service to Black people in pubs. It used to be socially acceptable to mock gay people. What the majority deems to be socially acceptable currently isn't a great argument in support of something. Generally we see changes in social attitudes starting with a minority and then increasingly more people come over to that viewpoint until it becomes the new consensus. It'll be interesting to see for how many more years "meat tastes good" is seen as a valid argument against animal cruelty and environmental destruction. To me it already looks a piss weak argument to be honest. | |
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| This is all largely true..... on 14:02 - Nov 17 with 913 views | Bloots |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:34 - Nov 17 by clive_baker |
The issue with living and letting live is, like a lot of things, there's a spectrum in terms of the impact that those actions are having, and where that line is drawn.
If someone wants to get naked in their house, wear makeup and dance around their kitchen that's their prerogative, it has no impact on others and good luck to them. Live and let live. If they want to walk down the street throwing insults at strangers, most would agree that isn't cool. If someone wants to drive at 100mph through a village, that isn't cool. It's not a case of living and letting live in certain situations when the law dictates that the impact of those actions is potentially harmful to others.
Eating meat isn't a crime, hence why we're not arrested for it, but the impact of our actions, as a society, are evidently harmful to the planet. It's nuanced, and runs a lot deeper than dietary choices. We all make choices on a daily basis whether it be our lifestyle, burning a coal fire to keep us warm, the car we choose to drive, or taking a plane on holiday that contribute to that impact. We're all, evidently, at different points in the spectrum where some things are deemed acceptable and some aren't, but we shouldn't deny that they're all impactful. As a result, regulations have and do evolve to make us greener as a society, whether it be higher taxes on less efficient vehicles to subsidies on greener sources of energy, but we need much more of it, and faster. That's the only way we'll see the level and speed of change required to make a difference.
What those changes are and how they're enforced is difficult to answer, and they'll be of varying degrees of complexity, but whether it's a ban on non essential imports (do we need cargo ships of rubber ducks from China?), a limit on meat production, quotas on flights, laws on sustainable packaging and single use plastic (already very much front of mind in UK retail) etc.
Global warming is the single biggest issue we face as a society and unfortunately it's not a case of living and letting live, we need a conscious move towards enforcing greener alternatives. What we eat, where we source it and how it's produced should form a part of that. |
....and balanced.
Issues are changing and changes are evolving, but as with all issues we face as a world there will always be those that are more extreme from both ends of the spectrum.
Ethically sourced "animal" food products will not sit well with either the Vegan/Veggies who wont think it goes far enough, nor will it sit well with the "I'll eat whatever I fooking want" brigade.
What a world. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 14:05 - Nov 17 with 902 views | eireblue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 13:51 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
You seem to think I’m here for an argument? I have no interest in that so if that’s what you choose, I shall leave you to it. If it’s an echo chamber you wish, go for it. |
No, I am not here for an argument.
It is like the smoking analogy I made as well.
It is reframing the discussion to try and abstract what is really at issue, and try and engage in a debate.
Women that wanted the vote were castigated as being “pushy” and worse.
It is easy to label someone as pushy.
Let’s try this, should you lie about you gambling on horses and why you do it? | | | |
| That's a bit of a leap Herbs..... on 14:06 - Nov 17 with 898 views | Bloots |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 14:00 - Nov 17 by Herbivore |
Sure, but it used to be socially acceptable to own slaves too. It used to be socially acceptable to refuse service to Black people in pubs. It used to be socially acceptable to mock gay people. What the majority deems to be socially acceptable currently isn't a great argument in support of something. Generally we see changes in social attitudes starting with a minority and then increasingly more people come over to that viewpoint until it becomes the new consensus. It'll be interesting to see for how many more years "meat tastes good" is seen as a valid argument against animal cruelty and environmental destruction. To me it already looks a piss weak argument to be honest. |
....and not one that I think is totally relevant.
Lets not make this a massive "pile on". | |
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