| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here 20:38 - Nov 15 with 12392 views | monytowbray |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:22 - Nov 17 with 2017 views | clive_baker |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:18 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’ve come across plenty of both.
Live and let live innit. |
Live and let live, lol.
Ironic, innit. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:25 - Nov 17 with 2006 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:18 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’ve come across plenty of both.
Live and let live innit. |
That's a very vegan ethos there, young Rommers. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:27 - Nov 17 with 1997 views | eireblue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:18 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’ve come across plenty of both.
Live and let live innit. |
Really, as a meat eater you noticed other meat eaters being pushy?
Be interested to understand the circumstance and what you did about it? |  | | |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:36 - Nov 17 with 1978 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:27 - Nov 17 by eireblue |
Really, as a meat eater you noticed other meat eaters being pushy?
Be interested to understand the circumstance and what you did about it? |
Was a vegan thing at uni last year. Was a tent/stall advertising veganism affectively. Some lads as I was walking past it in the opposite direction made a point of standing next to it loudly shouting about how lovely their bacon rolls were.
I did nothing. Why would I? Has nothing to do with me. Likewise if a vegan had started chanting against meat eaters outside the uni restaurant, I’d remember it but wouldn’t do anything. Can’t be getting involved in things that have zilch to do with me. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:38 - Nov 17 with 1970 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:22 - Nov 17 by clive_baker |
Live and let live, lol.
Ironic, innit. |
Ha - hadn’t thought of that when I typed it.
I guess I’m genuinely ok with eating meat even though that means the animal has to die. I’m chill with that. I like the taste too much to change my mind. Maybe that’s selfish or maybe that’s the way of the world for 98% of the population. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:49 - Nov 17 with 1955 views | Big_Jase |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:44 - Nov 16 by BLUEBEAT |
Thanks for reply.
I do see this as the time in my life to make that step from vegetarian to vegan.
Food-wise isn’t an issue for me but what about the wider angle?
Clothing for starters. Especially as I’m a bit fussy with garments. I see Adidas now run a Vegan Stan Smith range, so that’s a start 😄 |
This is an aspect I struggle with as well, the way I have been doing it, is if I buy animal clothing products they have to second hand. At least then I haven't contributed directly to it. I am aware this is bit hypocritical but there you go.
Dr Martens make vegan boots and shoes which I wear for work but appreciate they aren't everyone's cuppa tea! |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:55 - Nov 17 with 1950 views | eireblue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:36 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
Was a vegan thing at uni last year. Was a tent/stall advertising veganism affectively. Some lads as I was walking past it in the opposite direction made a point of standing next to it loudly shouting about how lovely their bacon rolls were.
I did nothing. Why would I? Has nothing to do with me. Likewise if a vegan had started chanting against meat eaters outside the uni restaurant, I’d remember it but wouldn’t do anything. Can’t be getting involved in things that have zilch to do with me. |
That would be an example of meat eaters being pushy. Got it.
So what is it about this thread, that doesn’t mean zilch to you? | | | |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:55 - Nov 17 with 1949 views | Big_Jase |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:27 - Nov 17 by eireblue |
Really, as a meat eater you noticed other meat eaters being pushy?
Be interested to understand the circumstance and what you did about it? |
Since going veggie 3 years or so ago, I have met plenty of pushy meat eaters. I have never, ever met a pushy vegetarian/vegan. I tend not to tell people as you get the same boring questions each time "don't you miss bacon" "why do you eat meat substitutes" and when you give them the answers as to why, you then get labelled as preachy. Can't win! | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:04 - Nov 17 with 1936 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:38 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
Ha - hadn’t thought of that when I typed it.
I guess I’m genuinely ok with eating meat even though that means the animal has to die. I’m chill with that. I like the taste too much to change my mind. Maybe that’s selfish or maybe that’s the way of the world for 98% of the population. |
It's not an either or that, Rommers, I think it's probably both that you are selfish and that 98% of the world is too. On this issue at least. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:17 - Nov 17 with 1922 views | monytowbray |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:18 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’ve come across plenty of both.
Live and let live innit. |
The issue Rommers is when you say “Live and let live” in regards to veganism it misses the point entirely, in fact I’d go as far to say it actively ignores it. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:28 - Nov 17 with 1901 views | Darth_Koont |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:17 - Nov 17 by monytowbray |
The issue Rommers is when you say “Live and let live” in regards to veganism it misses the point entirely, in fact I’d go as far to say it actively ignores it. |
Agreed. If people were talking about dealing with the pandemic as a matter of personal choice then they’d be rightfully criticised.
It’s harder to accept the wider responsibility involved in veganism/vegetarianism as eating meat and dairy is so much the accepted norm we’ve grown up with. But arguably the idea of personal choice here is far, far more problematic and long-term damaging than even with Covid.
Yes, it’ll take a mind shift but the first step is realizing it’s not a live and let live issue anymore. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:33 - Nov 17 with 1893 views | clive_baker |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:28 - Nov 17 by Darth_Koont |
Agreed. If people were talking about dealing with the pandemic as a matter of personal choice then they’d be rightfully criticised.
It’s harder to accept the wider responsibility involved in veganism/vegetarianism as eating meat and dairy is so much the accepted norm we’ve grown up with. But arguably the idea of personal choice here is far, far more problematic and long-term damaging than even with Covid.
Yes, it’ll take a mind shift but the first step is realizing it’s not a live and let live issue anymore. |
The issue is people are fundamentally selfish, and unless anything has an immediate and direct risk to their way of life they'll largely do naff all about it.
If someone said the planet was going to be uninhabitable in 2025 the issue would be front of mind, as Covid has been. We're not very good at looking beyond the end of our noses.
We need legislative chang, until that point folk will do what they've always known. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:36 - Nov 17 with 1885 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:33 - Nov 17 by clive_baker |
The issue is people are fundamentally selfish, and unless anything has an immediate and direct risk to their way of life they'll largely do naff all about it.
If someone said the planet was going to be uninhabitable in 2025 the issue would be front of mind, as Covid has been. We're not very good at looking beyond the end of our noses.
We need legislative chang, until that point folk will do what they've always known. |
Legislative chang is what Gove and his mates are doing in the House of Commons toilets. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:39 - Nov 17 with 1880 views | J2BLUE |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:18 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’ve come across plenty of both.
Live and let live innit. |
Not sure i've ever come across a pushy vegan in the real world. Obviously on here we click on the threads. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:45 - Nov 17 with 1871 views | monytowbray |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:33 - Nov 17 by clive_baker |
The issue is people are fundamentally selfish, and unless anything has an immediate and direct risk to their way of life they'll largely do naff all about it.
If someone said the planet was going to be uninhabitable in 2025 the issue would be front of mind, as Covid has been. We're not very good at looking beyond the end of our noses.
We need legislative chang, until that point folk will do what they've always known. |
How do you defeat ignorance?
How do you defeat the barrage of amplified misinformation that has plagued our global consciousness in the last decade with social media?
How do you defeat a billionaire owned press with corporate agendas in money over science and humanity?
How do you defeat the lobbying of governments through fossil fuel funded donations and dodgy think tanks?
How do we get it into people’s heads that businesses greenwashing their public image with lies about their environmental goals to give them peace of mind isn’t going to save us?
How do you change people from the attitude that one person alone can’t make a difference when it’s scientific fact that if everyone tool responsibility we could make a better future for everyone?
How do you get people to understand the current disaster capitalist model is going to literally kill us?
How do you get people to take on board environmental activist groups are resorting to extreme measures as an 11th hour reaction to nothing being done as opposed to just being attention seeking criminals or whatever the above mentioned billionaire press claims them to be?
Context of the wider issues is desperately needed and until we take a global responsibility as individuals to do our bit, we’re f*cked.
I’m still amazed people can listen to scientists LITERALLY say if we don’t sort our sh1t in the next 1-5 decades we could be resigned to living on a dying planet and just shrug their shoulders.
What do you do about that? | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:52 - Nov 17 with 1849 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:36 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
Was a vegan thing at uni last year. Was a tent/stall advertising veganism affectively. Some lads as I was walking past it in the opposite direction made a point of standing next to it loudly shouting about how lovely their bacon rolls were.
I did nothing. Why would I? Has nothing to do with me. Likewise if a vegan had started chanting against meat eaters outside the uni restaurant, I’d remember it but wouldn’t do anything. Can’t be getting involved in things that have zilch to do with me. |
I wouldn't call that pushy meat eaters, I'd say it's a couple of lads mucking about. #epicbantz if you will. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:53 - Nov 17 with 1848 views | clive_baker |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:45 - Nov 17 by monytowbray |
How do you defeat ignorance?
How do you defeat the barrage of amplified misinformation that has plagued our global consciousness in the last decade with social media?
How do you defeat a billionaire owned press with corporate agendas in money over science and humanity?
How do you defeat the lobbying of governments through fossil fuel funded donations and dodgy think tanks?
How do we get it into people’s heads that businesses greenwashing their public image with lies about their environmental goals to give them peace of mind isn’t going to save us?
How do you change people from the attitude that one person alone can’t make a difference when it’s scientific fact that if everyone tool responsibility we could make a better future for everyone?
How do you get people to understand the current disaster capitalist model is going to literally kill us?
How do you get people to take on board environmental activist groups are resorting to extreme measures as an 11th hour reaction to nothing being done as opposed to just being attention seeking criminals or whatever the above mentioned billionaire press claims them to be?
Context of the wider issues is desperately needed and until we take a global responsibility as individuals to do our bit, we’re f*cked.
I’m still amazed people can listen to scientists LITERALLY say if we don’t sort our sh1t in the next 1-5 decades we could be resigned to living on a dying planet and just shrug their shoulders.
What do you do about that? |
Covid is an interesting comparison. Had it not been for military on the streets, legally enforced lockdowns and the threat of severe fines for people globally there still would've been a huge amount of deniers going about their business. Despite the advice of every scientist and doctor, every government etc. Its an even more immediate, obvious and tangible threat to civilisation, and the biggest risk to public health in a century. If that's a tough sell then what chance has climate change got.
We can all do our bit in theory, but in reality, not enough people WILL do that bit to move the needle in time. To your point, "I’m still amazed people can listen to scientists LITERALLY say if we don’t sort our sh1t in the next 1-5 decades we could be resigned to living on a dying planet and just shrug their shoulders". It's all too true.
The solution needs to be a properly modelled, considered and globally collaborative approach that is underpinned by science and law / regulation. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:27 - Nov 17 with 1816 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:55 - Nov 17 by eireblue |
That would be an example of meat eaters being pushy. Got it.
So what is it about this thread, that doesn’t mean zilch to you? |
You asked for an example of meat eaters being pushy so I gave you one? | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:29 - Nov 17 with 1814 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:52 - Nov 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I wouldn't call that pushy meat eaters, I'd say it's a couple of lads mucking about. #epicbantz if you will. |
They were acting like prized bellends tbf dollers. Was just so desperate to watch tbh. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:34 - Nov 17 with 1807 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:39 - Nov 17 by J2BLUE |
Not sure i've ever come across a pushy vegan in the real world. Obviously on here we click on the threads. |
I know of two. One was a girl at college and one was a mate at school.
The girl was preachy and could never see past people eating meat and thus had few friends. The boy at school was very pro-veganism and I would push that point a lot BUT would still be friends with people who were meat-eaters which was the key difference between the two. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:36 - Nov 17 with 1795 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 11:17 - Nov 17 by monytowbray |
The issue Rommers is when you say “Live and let live” in regards to veganism it misses the point entirely, in fact I’d go as far to say it actively ignores it. |
But does it though?
By live and let live, I mean that people should be allowed to do whichever they want. You want to be a vegan? That’s cool. I want to be a meat-eater? That’s cool too. Anyone that sees it different to that way of thinking is probably a pushy vegan or a pushy meat-eater. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:41 - Nov 17 with 1784 views | DanTheMan |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:36 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
But does it though?
By live and let live, I mean that people should be allowed to do whichever they want. You want to be a vegan? That’s cool. I want to be a meat-eater? That’s cool too. Anyone that sees it different to that way of thinking is probably a pushy vegan or a pushy meat-eater. |
Do you not think that's a bit "out of sight, out of mind"?
I think your thinking works for small things like what colour you paint your walls, which phone you have etc.
When it comes down to what people perceive as moral choices (in this case eating meat) then I don't think it's pushy for people to want to perhaps talk about it. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:42 - Nov 17 with 1782 views | north_stand77 |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 08:59 - Nov 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You must be pretty fit and healthy? Unless you mess it all up with other things?! |
Generally I like to think that it may have helped me in some ways. I've never been overweight, have always had pretty good skin....and bags of energy, played sports etc. And as I have a grandparent of mixed race have never had a pasty skin colour apparently associated with vegetarians!
Unfortunately I have still had a couple of major illnesses including stage 4 cancer but I don't think a vegetarian diet makes me any more susceptable to them than meat eaters. The fact that I recovered may/ may not of helped, who knows?
I drink loads of water but am partial to the odd glass of wine or two tho🙂 |  | | |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:51 - Nov 17 with 1770 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:36 - Nov 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
But does it though?
By live and let live, I mean that people should be allowed to do whichever they want. You want to be a vegan? That’s cool. I want to be a meat-eater? That’s cool too. Anyone that sees it different to that way of thinking is probably a pushy vegan or a pushy meat-eater. |
The issue is though, Rommers, that the choice to be a meat eater is a harmful one, both to the animals and ultimately to humanity through the impact of mass produced meat and dairy on the environment. The two choices aren't really equal in that sense. Vegans are making a choice that involves minimising harm, meat eaters aren't. And if, like me, you're an ethical vegan then it's difficult to just not care and shrug it off. It's the same with stuff like fox hunting and wearing fur, the choice to do those things is one that I find unethical so I'm not really prepared to be neutral about it and view both sides as the same. [Post edited 17 Nov 2020 12:53]
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:55 - Nov 17 with 1762 views | Darth_Koont |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 12:41 - Nov 17 by DanTheMan |
Do you not think that's a bit "out of sight, out of mind"?
I think your thinking works for small things like what colour you paint your walls, which phone you have etc.
When it comes down to what people perceive as moral choices (in this case eating meat) then I don't think it's pushy for people to want to perhaps talk about it. |
The moral aspect is a question for debate and there are no immediate answers. But it’s imperative for people to realize that these millions and billions of individual choices are a huge contributor towards climate change.
Cutting out beef and dairy (in particular) or at least significantly weaning ourselves off that dependency is one of the most critical measures in slowing down climate change. It’s also a piece of p1ss once people accept the reality of it and do it. | |
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