| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:00 - Dec 3 with 2769 views | Chrisd |
Another good read, cheers Steve for posting. The penultimate paragrapgh is telling the only time ME seems to react is when he is worried about ST numbers and he gets hit in the pocket. Personally, I wished he'd be more proactive and find another buyer. His time is done here. Over the 13 years he's been at the helm you could probably count on 1 hand the good decisions he's made and implemented. Yes, it probably isn't ideal timing, but as other clubs have shown there are buyers out there, if you look hard enough. |  |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:06 - Dec 3 with 2740 views | Steve_M |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:00 - Dec 3 by Chrisd |
Another good read, cheers Steve for posting. The penultimate paragrapgh is telling the only time ME seems to react is when he is worried about ST numbers and he gets hit in the pocket. Personally, I wished he'd be more proactive and find another buyer. His time is done here. Over the 13 years he's been at the helm you could probably count on 1 hand the good decisions he's made and implemented. Yes, it probably isn't ideal timing, but as other clubs have shown there are buyers out there, if you look hard enough. |
The worst scenario for Evans is a midtable season where most fans don't even manage to get to Portman Road for a match. It's hard to see that many people renewing season tickets then. Actually maybe that's the worst scenario for the club rather than Evans, it's quite likely at the moment though.
I think the main thing with ME though is he is the main decision maker but is still removed from the club on a day to day basis. It's more than possible that he may not yet realise the level of discontent. |  |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:19 - Dec 3 with 2690 views | Lockdownleonard |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:00 - Dec 3 by Chrisd |
Another good read, cheers Steve for posting. The penultimate paragrapgh is telling the only time ME seems to react is when he is worried about ST numbers and he gets hit in the pocket. Personally, I wished he'd be more proactive and find another buyer. His time is done here. Over the 13 years he's been at the helm you could probably count on 1 hand the good decisions he's made and implemented. Yes, it probably isn't ideal timing, but as other clubs have shown there are buyers out there, if you look hard enough. |
An excellent piece, which cuts through the ongoing gesturing and posturing between PL and fan groups and goes to the heart of the potential solution- that being starving the owner of the limited funding currently available to the club (him).
Understanding the value of this stance could save an awful lot of angst and additional frustration as this unravels. | | | |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:19 - Dec 3 with 2690 views | Guthrum |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:06 - Dec 3 by Steve_M |
The worst scenario for Evans is a midtable season where most fans don't even manage to get to Portman Road for a match. It's hard to see that many people renewing season tickets then. Actually maybe that's the worst scenario for the club rather than Evans, it's quite likely at the moment though.
I think the main thing with ME though is he is the main decision maker but is still removed from the club on a day to day basis. It's more than possible that he may not yet realise the level of discontent. |
Unless he is being actively shielded from it, I would be surprised if Evans was completely unaware of the expressions of discontent in the media, on TWTD , Twitter, or elsewhere. We know that at least somebody at the club is keeping an eye on it (otherwise they'd never have learnt of the team posting).
If that information is being deliberately witheld from the owner, it's pretty alarming and if Evans has not maintained any back channels of his own, that would be incredibly naive. For that matter, does his allegedly fan daughter not read anything people are saying and mention it over breakfast? |  |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:28 - Dec 3 with 2639 views | Steve_M |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:19 - Dec 3 by Guthrum |
Unless he is being actively shielded from it, I would be surprised if Evans was completely unaware of the expressions of discontent in the media, on TWTD , Twitter, or elsewhere. We know that at least somebody at the club is keeping an eye on it (otherwise they'd never have learnt of the team posting).
If that information is being deliberately witheld from the owner, it's pretty alarming and if Evans has not maintained any back channels of his own, that would be incredibly naive. For that matter, does his allegedly fan daughter not read anything people are saying and mention it over breakfast? |
Oh, I'm sure he is aware that fans aren't happy but the scale of that discontent has increased a lot over the last two weeks and the last four listless performances. The banning of Phil is a separate issue but it's coming to light has just added intensity to that discontent. | |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:33 - Dec 3 with 2610 views | thebooks |
That's a great piece and asks the right question – how really bothered are us fans?
We know the club isn’t. |  | | |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:56 - Dec 3 with 2529 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:28 - Dec 3 by Steve_M |
Oh, I'm sure he is aware that fans aren't happy but the scale of that discontent has increased a lot over the last two weeks and the last four listless performances. The banning of Phil is a separate issue but it's coming to light has just added intensity to that discontent. |
I think Guthers is right. He/club are probably a bit naive on value Town fans place on TWTD but I don’t doubt that he’s aware of the general level of discontent
I suspect it boils down to either him not being led by the fans as he still believes Lambert can turn it around (which is probably fair if so, although I don’t see how anyone could have that view) or us being a complete hole with his contract and simply not being able to swallow the cost of getting rid (which is obviously a massive problem...!) [Post edited 3 Dec 2020 10:43]
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:59 - Dec 3 with 2512 views | StokieBlue |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:00 - Dec 3 by Chrisd |
Another good read, cheers Steve for posting. The penultimate paragrapgh is telling the only time ME seems to react is when he is worried about ST numbers and he gets hit in the pocket. Personally, I wished he'd be more proactive and find another buyer. His time is done here. Over the 13 years he's been at the helm you could probably count on 1 hand the good decisions he's made and implemented. Yes, it probably isn't ideal timing, but as other clubs have shown there are buyers out there, if you look hard enough. |
Why would anyone buy the club?
Given the salary cap it's too late to buy promotion with bundles of cash.
If you look at it from the perspective of a non-fan there seems very little attractive about buying the club off ME.
Harsh but some realism is needed here. The best we can hope for is that he sacks PL and someone his manager lotto machine picks a winner this time.
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:00 - Dec 3 with 2505 views | StokieBlue |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:28 - Dec 3 by Steve_M |
Oh, I'm sure he is aware that fans aren't happy but the scale of that discontent has increased a lot over the last two weeks and the last four listless performances. The banning of Phil is a separate issue but it's coming to light has just added intensity to that discontent. |
If he's being shielded from the extent of discontent via the ITFC infrastructure he has other companies where he might not be shielded from the emails or tweets.
Perhaps wrong to even mention it but if there is a firewall it needs to be breached.
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:02 - Dec 3 with 2498 views | Bent_double |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:19 - Dec 3 by Guthrum |
Unless he is being actively shielded from it, I would be surprised if Evans was completely unaware of the expressions of discontent in the media, on TWTD , Twitter, or elsewhere. We know that at least somebody at the club is keeping an eye on it (otherwise they'd never have learnt of the team posting).
If that information is being deliberately witheld from the owner, it's pretty alarming and if Evans has not maintained any back channels of his own, that would be incredibly naive. For that matter, does his allegedly fan daughter not read anything people are saying and mention it over breakfast? |
There was the Guardian article a few days ago aswell, surely someone in his circle reads the serious media?
Anyway, it's not just about that, ME goes and watches most games doesn't he? Surely he can't be leaving games like Hull or Charlton thinking, "Well, I know we've got a lot of injuries atm, but that was ok."
We are being outplayed and out-thought time and time again by younger, less experienced managers and clubs with smaller squads made up of players who have never played higher than L1, surely he sees this.
I get he made a firm decision a year ago giving PL a 5yr contract, and probably doesn't want to be proved wrong so soon into it, but surely he knows this is how football works, he has advisors, must know what's going on in the wider footballing world? If he sacks PL now and gets the right person in next, then this will all be forgotten in 6 months time and he'll be hailed as a great owner once again. |  |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:04 - Dec 3 with 2486 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:56 - Dec 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I think Guthers is right. He/club are probably a bit naive on value Town fans place on TWTD but I don’t doubt that he’s aware of the general level of discontent
I suspect it boils down to either him not being led by the fans as he still believes Lambert can turn it around (which is probably fair if so, although I don’t see how anyone could have that view) or us being a complete hole with his contract and simply not being able to swallow the cost of getting rid (which is obviously a massive problem...!) [Post edited 3 Dec 2020 10:43]
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I think that's what I struggle with. I don't necessarily want an owner that sacks managers because the fans say so, but I cannot comprehend how he isn't coming to the decision he needs to go of his own volition.
He's been at most if not all games this season home and away, he's watched it with his own eyes. And this comes off the back of one awful season if we are being generous, two awful seasons if we hold him to account for not improving us one iota in the relegation season.
He had meetings with all of the players pre-season - from bits and pieces you hear, I doubt too many of them were brimming with praise for him.
And he must be aware of what's going on with the media. He sat with O'Neill at the game on Tuesday after his inbox had been filled post Saturday. [Post edited 3 Dec 2020 10:06]
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:08 - Dec 3 with 2464 views | jayessess |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:19 - Dec 3 by Guthrum |
Unless he is being actively shielded from it, I would be surprised if Evans was completely unaware of the expressions of discontent in the media, on TWTD , Twitter, or elsewhere. We know that at least somebody at the club is keeping an eye on it (otherwise they'd never have learnt of the team posting).
If that information is being deliberately witheld from the owner, it's pretty alarming and if Evans has not maintained any back channels of his own, that would be incredibly naive. For that matter, does his allegedly fan daughter not read anything people are saying and mention it over breakfast? |
I think you have to be realistic about how easily institutions can dismiss sentiments expressed online or even full inboxes. It's likely that the club hierarchy sees complaints on forums/twitter/facebook as just habitual moaning, unrepresentative of wider fan sentiments and temporary.
Only a minority of match-going fans of any club actually go online to regularly talk about the club. Only a minority will ever email or sign a petition or attend a demonstration. |  |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:09 - Dec 3 with 2455 views | Ryorry |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:28 - Dec 3 by Steve_M |
Oh, I'm sure he is aware that fans aren't happy but the scale of that discontent has increased a lot over the last two weeks and the last four listless performances. The banning of Phil is a separate issue but it's coming to light has just added intensity to that discontent. |
The banning of Phil looks at the mo very much like a catalyst that's shaking up our traditionally patient fanbase, particularly after the rippling out of the unrest from local to national with SomethingBlue's excellent article in the Guardian, RTs on twitter etc.
I've certainly never seen the forum as united as this except maybe during the play-off semis/final & ensuing successful year in the Prem. |  |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:23 - Dec 3 with 2409 views | SomethingBlue |
Very good and persuasive re the need for fans to start stepping up properly. It's been a good start in the last week, and everyone seems united around the general principle that things can't go on — now that needs to be built upon. | |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:35 - Dec 3 with 2355 views | vapour_trail |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:08 - Dec 3 by jayessess |
I think you have to be realistic about how easily institutions can dismiss sentiments expressed online or even full inboxes. It's likely that the club hierarchy sees complaints on forums/twitter/facebook as just habitual moaning, unrepresentative of wider fan sentiments and temporary.
Only a minority of match-going fans of any club actually go online to regularly talk about the club. Only a minority will ever email or sign a petition or attend a demonstration. |
Yeah I think you’re probably on the money with this.
It’ll be pretty easy to dismiss a bit of electronic whinging, I’d expect the ifollow figures mostly hold up, there’ll be online purchasing of club merch through december, and a lot of pragmatism around performances in the current operating environment.
Whilst the club are in touch in and around the play offs, there’ll be zero chance of any decisive action at the club. If Lambert isn’t here at the start of Feb, I’ll be very surprised. |  |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:38 - Dec 3 with 2344 views | Chrisd |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:06 - Dec 3 by Steve_M |
The worst scenario for Evans is a midtable season where most fans don't even manage to get to Portman Road for a match. It's hard to see that many people renewing season tickets then. Actually maybe that's the worst scenario for the club rather than Evans, it's quite likely at the moment though.
I think the main thing with ME though is he is the main decision maker but is still removed from the club on a day to day basis. It's more than possible that he may not yet realise the level of discontent. |
Hoping the recent Blue Action banners might give him a nod in the right direction. | |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:41 - Dec 3 with 2328 views | Ryorry |
Btw, is Gavin Barber "our" Gavin of TWTD? | |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:43 - Dec 3 with 2316 views | Steve_M |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:41 - Dec 3 by Ryorry |
Btw, is Gavin Barber "our" Gavin of TWTD? |
No, but he edited TWTD back in the day:
https://www.twtd.co.uk/page/about-us | |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:52 - Dec 3 with 2273 views | Ryorry |
Ah right, thanks - thought the name rang a bell. Quite a coincidence to have 2 sets of Phils & Gavs! | |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:53 - Dec 3 with 2267 views | Bent_double |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:52 - Dec 3 by Ryorry |
Ah right, thanks - thought the name rang a bell. Quite a coincidence to have 2 sets of Phils & Gavs! |
I think they just clone them, don't they?  | |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 11:09 - Dec 3 with 2229 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 09:19 - Dec 3 by Guthrum |
Unless he is being actively shielded from it, I would be surprised if Evans was completely unaware of the expressions of discontent in the media, on TWTD , Twitter, or elsewhere. We know that at least somebody at the club is keeping an eye on it (otherwise they'd never have learnt of the team posting).
If that information is being deliberately witheld from the owner, it's pretty alarming and if Evans has not maintained any back channels of his own, that would be incredibly naive. For that matter, does his allegedly fan daughter not read anything people are saying and mention it over breakfast? |
He's absolutely aware of what's happening. Lambert confirmed this himself this week and said Marcus is happy with how things are going despite the unrest. |  |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 16:17 - Dec 3 with 2047 views | Bluespeed225 |
After reading that I went back through other articles on there. Seems like we’ve not moved an inch since 2010! | | | |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 16:39 - Dec 3 with 1979 views | Steve_M |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 16:17 - Dec 3 by Bluespeed225 |
After reading that I went back through other articles on there. Seems like we’ve not moved an inch since 2010! |
There's a common theme running through those years. | |
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| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 16:46 - Dec 3 with 1956 views | eireblue |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 10:53 - Dec 3 by Bent_double |
I think they just clone them, don't they? |
Yep, hair-loss is one of the two major symptoms of being a clone.
The other, well, there is a reason we don't see many pictures of Gav. |  | | |
| Another good piece on the malaise at ITFC here from Gavin Barber on 19:34 - Dec 3 with 1793 views | Swansea_Blue |
“No doubt Marcus Evans is wondering whether the latest bout of ill-feeling merits another of his public pronouncements (these tend to appear as intersections on the managerial line-graph curve, as it starts to head downwards), whether it’s time for another scattering of breadcrumbs to the starving masses.”
Lolocopter 😂 |  |
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