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Loving Starmer's..... on 22:29 - Jan 5 by BlueBadger
It's an excellent book. It's part autobiography, part political thinking from the Bard of Barking. Good early chapter about his ancestors who are buried at Woolpit.
I didn't know Bragg had roots in these here parts.
I went to see him live at the UEA in the early 90s.
I fancied a student who was really into him, so you know, you do what you have to do.
I didn't know Bragg had roots in these here parts.
I went to see him live at the UEA in the early 90s.
I fancied a student who was really into him, so you know, you do what you have to do.
For my money, he's up there with Ginger Wildheart, Jarvis Cocker, Karine Polwart and Richart Thompson in the 'greatest living British songwriters' stakes.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Loving Starmer's..... on 22:34 - Jan 5 by BlueBadger
For my money, he's up there with Ginger Wildheart, Jarvis Cocker, Karine Polwart and Richart Thompson in the 'greatest living British songwriters' stakes.
I still have a couple of his albums knocking about somewhere.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
"Yeah, we get it, Keir. You’re a patriot & you’d drape yourself in the butchers apron if it meant you could get to be PM, one day. Screw the history of empire, screw the bloodshed & violence, screw education, screw Black Lives Matter. No surrender."
Cos that's not at all over the top.
We are British at the end of the day, and it is ok to refer to your own country by its name and identity.
I don't understand the dismay at anyone wanting to celebrate a bit of culture in the way Corbyn suggested to be honest, any more than I'd have a problem with anyone celebrating culture in whatever form.
The flag itself isn't responsible, nor representative of a colonial past, only the people who made it happen and benefited from it. And those prats who still hark back with some kind of fondness of course.
But I'm not going to pretend to be ashamed of my homeland because of the actions of people I've never met nor have any association with.
We sure as hell, apart from a few loons admittedly, aren't in the realms of many nations who drag the flag out at every opportunity.
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You’re absolutely right and this would be an overreaction on its own. But I understand where it’s coming from. Starmer leaning into the flag as well as “family, nation and opportunity” as he puts it just seems like a play to the same right-wing values that have made the UK so divided.
I’d prefer to be talking about the flag and a better, fairer and more inclusive UK society as a whole. Re-define and re-establish civic nationalism and pride but let’s stop playing to the right-side of the audience at every opportunity. I take the p!ss a bit re: him appealing to “racist English homeowners” but it’s not entirely a joke.
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Loving Starmer's..... on 22:51 - Jan 5 with 1568 views
Loving Starmer's..... on 22:34 - Jan 5 by BlueBadger
For my money, he's up there with Ginger Wildheart, Jarvis Cocker, Karine Polwart and Richart Thompson in the 'greatest living British songwriters' stakes.
Loving Starmer's..... on 22:47 - Jan 5 by Darth_Koont
You’re absolutely right and this would be an overreaction on its own. But I understand where it’s coming from. Starmer leaning into the flag as well as “family, nation and opportunity” as he puts it just seems like a play to the same right-wing values that have made the UK so divided.
I’d prefer to be talking about the flag and a better, fairer and more inclusive UK society as a whole. Re-define and re-establish civic nationalism and pride but let’s stop playing to the right-side of the audience at every opportunity. I take the p!ss a bit re: him appealing to “racist English homeowners” but it’s not entirely a joke.
The point of the flag is we are supposed to be a union and it's going to be a sad looking figure if or when Scotland, and/or Wales/NI decide to separate completely.
I am all for inclusivity (as you know).
But despite being with you all the way in spirit, that parties should stand by their principles and try to get elected off the back of them, we know from experience the public don't accept that.
Principles alone don't get you elected. They should, but they don't.
Sometimes you have no choice but to play to the crowd, and as ugly as it may be, if you want change buddy, it has to be done from the inside, and first you have to get yourself there.
Don't think for one moment I approve of those methods, but the way it's all set-up, you have to play the game.
The point of the flag is we are supposed to be a union and it's going to be a sad looking figure if or when Scotland, and/or Wales/NI decide to separate completely.
I am all for inclusivity (as you know).
But despite being with you all the way in spirit, that parties should stand by their principles and try to get elected off the back of them, we know from experience the public don't accept that.
Principles alone don't get you elected. They should, but they don't.
Sometimes you have no choice but to play to the crowd, and as ugly as it may be, if you want change buddy, it has to be done from the inside, and first you have to get yourself there.
Don't think for one moment I approve of those methods, but the way it's all set-up, you have to play the game.
[Post edited 5 Jan 2021 23:06]
nailed it.
You need to be able to win 40%+ of the electorate whilst not scaring off the lib-dems so much that they can't "lend" labour their votes in the 2-way marginal seats that need it. You can't do that by telling everybody else (and half your own party!) to f-off!
The point of the flag is we are supposed to be a union and it's going to be a sad looking figure if or when Scotland, and/or Wales/NI decide to separate completely.
I am all for inclusivity (as you know).
But despite being with you all the way in spirit, that parties should stand by their principles and try to get elected off the back of them, we know from experience the public don't accept that.
Principles alone don't get you elected. They should, but they don't.
Sometimes you have no choice but to play to the crowd, and as ugly as it may be, if you want change buddy, it has to be done from the inside, and first you have to get yourself there.
Don't think for one moment I approve of those methods, but the way it's all set-up, you have to play the game.
[Post edited 5 Jan 2021 23:06]
Cheers mate. And of course I understand where you’re coming from and respect your values.
I really need to sleep now as I’ve got an early one tomorrow but I’ll come back to “playing the game” and what I think it’s already cost us in the morning.
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Loving Starmer's..... on 23:53 - Jan 5 with 1510 views
Loving Starmer's..... on 23:50 - Jan 5 by Darth_Koont
Cheers mate. And of course I understand where you’re coming from and respect your values.
I really need to sleep now as I’ve got an early one tomorrow but I’ll come back to “playing the game” and what I think it’s already cost us in the morning.
Loving Starmer's..... on 22:47 - Jan 5 by Darth_Koont
You’re absolutely right and this would be an overreaction on its own. But I understand where it’s coming from. Starmer leaning into the flag as well as “family, nation and opportunity” as he puts it just seems like a play to the same right-wing values that have made the UK so divided.
I’d prefer to be talking about the flag and a better, fairer and more inclusive UK society as a whole. Re-define and re-establish civic nationalism and pride but let’s stop playing to the right-side of the audience at every opportunity. I take the p!ss a bit re: him appealing to “racist English homeowners” but it’s not entirely a joke.
It is vacuous marketing appealing to base jingoistic nationalism...end of...whichever party plays the game.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
The point of the flag is we are supposed to be a union and it's going to be a sad looking figure if or when Scotland, and/or Wales/NI decide to separate completely.
I am all for inclusivity (as you know).
But despite being with you all the way in spirit, that parties should stand by their principles and try to get elected off the back of them, we know from experience the public don't accept that.
Principles alone don't get you elected. They should, but they don't.
Sometimes you have no choice but to play to the crowd, and as ugly as it may be, if you want change buddy, it has to be done from the inside, and first you have to get yourself there.
Don't think for one moment I approve of those methods, but the way it's all set-up, you have to play the game.
[Post edited 5 Jan 2021 23:06]
Is the honest answer.
Edit...if only the Starmeristas could see through the cult!
[Post edited 6 Jan 2021 0:07]
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Just utterly mental, a party that is as ashamed of this countries history as they want it to be will ever get in power.
These sort of accounts and 'movements' are so damaging to the party, they would rather him make that address in front of a Palestinian flag
[Post edited 6 Jan 2021 8:56]
I naively thought that the split in the Labour Party was about policies until very recently. Then I actually clicked on some of these links and read the comments. A couple of hours on "leftist" social media has been a total eye-opener, and utterly utterly depressing.
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Loving Starmer's..... on 10:08 - Jan 6 with 1254 views
Loving Starmer's..... on 09:48 - Jan 6 by CrayonKing
I naively thought that the split in the Labour Party was about policies until very recently. Then I actually clicked on some of these links and read the comments. A couple of hours on "leftist" social media has been a total eye-opener, and utterly utterly depressing.
A lot of it is just an Anti-West/Imperial/UK/US/Israel worldview - things like the Salisbury poisoning attack really hit that home.
Reading the Gabriel Pogrund book about the Labour party under Corbyn, and clear there were huge divides between the left and the right of the party which didn't help anything - but interesting bits with regards to effectively a fall out with John MCDonnell.
McDonnell was desperate to get elected, so was prepared to make compromises, but just seemed huge frustrations because they would spend weeks to get JC around to a position on anti-semitism to make a gesture, he'd then go and speak to a Jewish friend of his who would say it's not the right thing and he'd pull out of it; this lady and his wife became hugely influential; and then he'd bring random people in to his inner circle who were going to things they should never do so.
Seemed like in the end JC was the loose cannon that the mechanism of the party, even when it was the left and momentum running it, couldn't control to make him/them electable.
Loving Starmer's..... on 09:48 - Jan 6 by CrayonKing
I naively thought that the split in the Labour Party was about policies until very recently. Then I actually clicked on some of these links and read the comments. A couple of hours on "leftist" social media has been a total eye-opener, and utterly utterly depressing.
They are doing so much damage. I quite often oppose them & point out that they're in effect supporting a continuation of this disastrous tory shower of sh1te, but I just end up getting called a "Red Tory" or "Tory Lite" (or worse) every time.
They are doing so much damage. I quite often oppose them & point out that they're in effect supporting a continuation of this disastrous tory shower of sh1te, but I just end up getting called a "Red Tory" or "Tory Lite" (or worse) every time.
Completely agree with you but they aren't going to listen to reason. Perhaps we need to change tactics and try to convince them that the jump from a Starmer led government to their wet dream is a lot less than the jump from the tories so they should support Starmer as part of a longer term plan to shift the political landscape.
Either that or these muppets are going to condemn us to decades of Tory rule.
"Yeah, we get it, Keir. You’re a patriot & you’d drape yourself in the butchers apron if it meant you could get to be PM, one day. Screw the history of empire, screw the bloodshed & violence, screw education, screw Black Lives Matter. No surrender."
Cos that's not at all over the top.
We are British at the end of the day, and it is ok to refer to your own country by its name and identity.
I don't understand the dismay at anyone wanting to celebrate a bit of culture in the way Corbyn suggested to be honest, any more than I'd have a problem with anyone celebrating culture in whatever form.
The flag itself isn't responsible, nor representative of a colonial past, only the people who made it happen and benefited from it. And those prats who still hark back with some kind of fondness of course.
But I'm not going to pretend to be ashamed of my homeland because of the actions of people I've never met nor have any association with.
We sure as hell, apart from a few loons admittedly, aren't in the realms of many nations who drag the flag out at every opportunity.
[Post edited 5 Jan 2021 22:30]
Leader of the opposition laying wreaths for terrorists = okay
Leader of the opposition sitting in front of national flag = not okay
What?!
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Loving Starmer's..... on 13:18 - Jan 6 with 1145 views
Leader of the opposition laying wreaths for terrorists = okay
Leader of the opposition sitting in front of national flag = not okay
What?!
Noel Gallagher plays a Union Jack (flag) guitar- cool. Fat bloke wears Union Jack boxers on a beach whilst on holiday - sad. Olympic medalist unravels flag on a lap of honour - national pride. Opposition leader has flag in the background - people accuse him of looking like he’s in the NF.
Fascinating to read people’s interpretation of the flag. I know it’s all about context, but the mere fact that a flag, simply in camera shot, can provoke such a reaction is pathetic. When you look at other countries their political leaders all have their national flags in the background. It doesn’t really mean anything sinister at all.
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