| The case for Paul Cook 08:50 - Jan 24 with 7104 views | Keaneish |
The Cowleys seem to be a popular choice but the case for Paul Cook is a good one. Still available after rejecting Cardiff in the week he’d be a shoe-in for me.
Prior to resigning at Wigan after their 12-pt deduction, only Guardiola, Klopp and Wilder had won more games in that calendar year. Promotions with all but every English club he’s managed, twice taking clubs from League One to the Championship and securing their status, there’s not a better candidate out there in my opinion.
Given his exploits at Wigan in difficult circumstances he was touted for manager of the year prior to his resignation. In a Times article last year, his care, compassion and due diligence for those involved at the club losing their jobs showed a care of duty beyond expectation which put his name in the running for the award.
While people will point to the Cowleys back to back promotions, Cook took Chesterfield to League One and narrowly missed out on promotion in the play-offs before joining Portsmouth and taking them up. Silverware and UEFA qualification in Ireland too.
From reading a bunch of blogs, he seems to have been loved wherever he’s been. It’s another Paul who likes a 4231 but this is the man for us. |  |
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| The case for Paul Cook on 10:26 - Jan 24 with 2279 views | leftback |
| The case for Paul Cook on 10:08 - Jan 24 by BlueBadger |
NO MORE MANAGERS CALLED PAUL. |
Paul O’Grady could do a better job that this current berk |  | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 10:29 - Jan 24 with 2270 views | Moriarty |
I don’t want the Cowleys.
I don’t want Cook.
My vote is for Dyer with Butcher or Burley mentoring/assistant. |  |
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| The case for Paul Cook on 10:34 - Jan 24 with 2268 views | Pique |
My main concern about Cook is that appointing him would just be doing the same thing all over again. Every managerial appointment of the Evans era has had decent levels of success elsewhere (even Jewell has two promotions to the Premier League on his CV), and all (Mick aside) have failed here. That’s partly down to them, but also down to the lack of proper structures and support in place due to Evans’ neglect.
The only way I see things improving (short of Evans leaving, which doesn’t look likely) is for us to appoint a totally transformative manager who will grab the entire club by the scruff of the neck and turn it upside down. And at the moment, the Cowleys seem more likely candidates for that role than Cook, who I suspect may just end up getting frustrated here. |  | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 10:41 - Jan 24 with 2246 views | Romeo4 |
| The case for Paul Cook on 10:34 - Jan 24 by Pique |
My main concern about Cook is that appointing him would just be doing the same thing all over again. Every managerial appointment of the Evans era has had decent levels of success elsewhere (even Jewell has two promotions to the Premier League on his CV), and all (Mick aside) have failed here. That’s partly down to them, but also down to the lack of proper structures and support in place due to Evans’ neglect.
The only way I see things improving (short of Evans leaving, which doesn’t look likely) is for us to appoint a totally transformative manager who will grab the entire club by the scruff of the neck and turn it upside down. And at the moment, the Cowleys seem more likely candidates for that role than Cook, who I suspect may just end up getting frustrated here. |
I can certainly understand that view. I think Cook might be a good fit for us.
Mick Mills has always said that Town is an appealing job for prospective managers. He’s always in favour of an open application process ie. invite potential managers to apply for the open job and interview a good selection of the most attractive applicants and listen to what they feel they can offer and how they would go about doing the job.
It all starts with removing the current manager. Even if you have to appoint a caretaker (Klug?/Butcher?) in the meantime. |  | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 11:07 - Jan 24 with 2210 views | ArnieM |
Well if he’s turned down Cardiff why would he consider a league one club? |  |
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| The case for Paul Cook on 11:09 - Jan 24 with 2206 views | Herbivore |
| The case for Paul Cook on 10:34 - Jan 24 by Pique |
My main concern about Cook is that appointing him would just be doing the same thing all over again. Every managerial appointment of the Evans era has had decent levels of success elsewhere (even Jewell has two promotions to the Premier League on his CV), and all (Mick aside) have failed here. That’s partly down to them, but also down to the lack of proper structures and support in place due to Evans’ neglect.
The only way I see things improving (short of Evans leaving, which doesn’t look likely) is for us to appoint a totally transformative manager who will grab the entire club by the scruff of the neck and turn it upside down. And at the moment, the Cowleys seem more likely candidates for that role than Cook, who I suspect may just end up getting frustrated here. |
The managers we've appointed have also had question marks against them though. Keane had a volatile temperament and with hindsight didn't do anything special with Sunderland when you look at the money he was given to spend there. He's done nothing since leaving us. Jewell came to us with just as many failures as successes. He took Bradford and Wigan up but Derby and Sheffield Wednesday fans both thought he was hopeless. Mick had fewer question marks and did a good job here. Lambert hadn't been a success anywhere in nearly a decade. You could argue he did alright at a couple of clubs, but on the whole his career post-Norwich has been a series of mostly short term failures.
Someone like Cook has managed success at a few different clubs and hasn't had any huge misses to blot his copy book. I'd be happy with him to be honest. I'd also be happy with the Cowleys. I'd be happy with Dyer with Burley or Butcher as a mentor figure. I'd probably be happy with Gary Megson right now, that's how little I rate Paul Lambert. |  |
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| The case for Paul Cook on 11:19 - Jan 24 with 2201 views | Romeo4 |
| The case for Paul Cook on 11:07 - Jan 24 by ArnieM |
Well if he’s turned down Cardiff why would he consider a league one club? |
Length of contract may be a factor.......and we’re generous on that front!! | | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 11:22 - Jan 24 with 2198 views | gazzer1999 |
| The case for Paul Cook on 10:08 - Jan 24 by BlueBadger |
NO MORE MANAGERS CALLED PAUL. |
Unless his last name is Mariner. |  | | |
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| The case for Paul Cook on 11:25 - Jan 24 with 2189 views | pointofblue |
| The case for Paul Cook on 11:09 - Jan 24 by Herbivore |
The managers we've appointed have also had question marks against them though. Keane had a volatile temperament and with hindsight didn't do anything special with Sunderland when you look at the money he was given to spend there. He's done nothing since leaving us. Jewell came to us with just as many failures as successes. He took Bradford and Wigan up but Derby and Sheffield Wednesday fans both thought he was hopeless. Mick had fewer question marks and did a good job here. Lambert hadn't been a success anywhere in nearly a decade. You could argue he did alright at a couple of clubs, but on the whole his career post-Norwich has been a series of mostly short term failures.
Someone like Cook has managed success at a few different clubs and hasn't had any huge misses to blot his copy book. I'd be happy with him to be honest. I'd also be happy with the Cowleys. I'd be happy with Dyer with Burley or Butcher as a mentor figure. I'd probably be happy with Gary Megson right now, that's how little I rate Paul Lambert. |
I remember some fans being happy with Lambert just because he wasn’t Hurst; let’s retain SOME standards. Unless we want to run through Norwich’s back catalogue of failing managers so they can really rub it in. | |
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| The case for Paul Cook on 11:31 - Jan 24 with 2173 views | Stewart27 |
| The case for Paul Cook on 09:25 - Jan 24 by wkj |
I think we're putting cook on a pedestal. Decent manager but I have a hard time seeing him able to take our club and perform miracles.
I don't think ITFC are particularly appealing for any manager with a bit of history, here is why
1. Even though we've been justified with Lambert, we've now got a reputation as fans for turning toxic.
2. Backs up agaisnt the wall with a mismatched squad looking to conform to the salary cap.
3. Whilst Evans pays managers well, you can't expect a whole lot or key investments.
4. The pressure is immense, if we do go up a good chunk of fans will probably have the same expectations in the championship before we went down.
For the longest time I was begging for David Artell, but even he is probably above us in the manager stock market. |
Toxic?
We are the most placid football fans in the land. People must laugh at us. We allowed this club to sleepwalk into complete mediocracy and now that complete mediocracy seemed a lifetime ago.
Now there are plans to start protesting. We’re patient to the core and I’m actually pretty proud of it.
The new manager will be lauded whoever he is, as it won’t be Lambert.
(Maybe not Megson) | | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 12:40 - Jan 24 with 2119 views | RegencyBlue |
| The case for Paul Cook on 11:19 - Jan 24 by Romeo4 |
Length of contract may be a factor.......and we’re generous on that front!! |
I would like to think that after the current fiasco we wouldn’t be. I think the bigger issue is, who in their right mind would take us on under the Evans regime. Managers here are pretty much set up to fail as far as I can see.
Selling our better players and replacing them with poorer quality ones year on year has finally caught up with us big style. Massive squad in size but short on quality. I know a lot of people think the squad is strong but it really isn’t once you strip out the players coasting to the end of their careers, the sick notes, some of the youngsters who are vastly overrated and players who are not even up to third Division standard in the first place.
It’s a complete mess! |  | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 12:46 - Jan 24 with 2110 views | MrTown |
Really good manager, really good football.
Won’t be available for much longer.
I would suspect, as per most Evans decision making, he’ll cöck this up. Will leave it all too long, and that ship will sail on by. |  |
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| The case for Paul Cook on 12:47 - Jan 24 with 2101 views | TieDyedIn95 |
End of season (we're not going up anyway) we need to appoint Nigel Clough once he's done his job at Mansfield, he should have replaced Mick and later Hurst. He's the right man for Town. |  |
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| The case for Paul Cook on 14:30 - Jan 24 with 2027 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| The case for Paul Cook on 09:51 - Jan 24 by itfcjoe |
Personally I'd say the Cowley's.
I worry Cook is just a short term on the pitch manager and that will get us nowhere. If the Cowley's can do anything like what they did for Lincoln, for us, then we will be in a good place.
They drove the club forwards on and off the pitch, and brought the Community and the City along with it, the club was totally transformed. |
Do you know anyone Evans might be sounding out? Apparently Neil Harris one although don't know how true that one is. |  | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:31 - Jan 24 with 2022 views | PhilTWTD |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:30 - Jan 24 by abracaDOBRA_ |
Do you know anyone Evans might be sounding out? Apparently Neil Harris one although don't know how true that one is. |
Two people mentioned Neil Harris to me as well yesterday. Can see him appealing to ME, but from what I gather he did a disastrous job at Cardiff. |  | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:33 - Jan 24 with 2011 views | PhilTWTD |
| The case for Paul Cook on 10:18 - Jan 24 by Herbivore |
When you look at how Lincoln are performing currently it does rather suggest that the Cowleys put in some solid foundations there for the club to continue pushing on. |
Worth pointing out that Michael Appleton pretty much entirely changed the playing staff there to play the style he wants and also that he was one I was told we sounded out prior to appointing PL. | | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:35 - Jan 24 with 1991 views | wkj |
| The case for Paul Cook on 10:10 - Jan 24 by monty_radio |
"Turning toxic"? I don't get that. Some who feel cheated out of losing Mick (whom the great majority wanted gone, including some of our most respected friends in the press) pop up to keep that trope alive, but I don't buy it.
Fans in greater Suffolk remain as they have ever been, extremely patient when measured against the football hotbeds. There have been 2+ years of a manager who took us down without a whimper, and continuing abject failure to make an impression at this level with a squad which, while it may not be as good as some claim, is quite good enough for the job in-hand. Now what, a few posters appear around the town, that won't largely be seen and some on here (which is not the wider world) up the tone of their language a bit, which, while I personally don't like it, is mild when you visit certain other boards.
Read Mick Mills today; read the Guardian piece, and others. See what Ali has been saying on Quest. The national finger of blame (as far as we now have a national profile) is now wagging hard at the management and above.
Rarely indeed does any mangager step into a new post and into an atmosphere of congenial bonhomie. Discontent is, sadly, the passkey to change. This "toxic" charge will go unregarded by any manager wanting the job - it's the constraints and the lack of structure that might, however, provide its own warning. |
I should clarify,
The perception in the management/player world could well see us as turning toxic. We all know that the fan POV and "In The Business" POV tend to be quite far appart.
So the perception among professionals will no doubt factor in the times around the demise of Paul Lambert, Mick and possibly even Jim. [Post edited 24 Jan 2021 14:36]
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| The case for Paul Cook on 14:36 - Jan 24 with 1999 views | PhilTWTD |
I heard a whisper a while back that ME had sounded him out, presumably an ask to see if he fancied it as and when the job might come up.
One complication with appointing PC is that Wigan's adminstrators would want compensation as he had time left on his contract. | | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:36 - Jan 24 with 1982 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:31 - Jan 24 by PhilTWTD |
Two people mentioned Neil Harris to me as well yesterday. Can see him appealing to ME, but from what I gather he did a disastrous job at Cardiff. |
Yep, must be true then. It wouldn't set the world alight, but also could be a lot worse. Phil, are you aware of Evans sounding out replacements yet? Surely he must be. Dont think PL will be sacked until we have a replacement lined up. | | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:39 - Jan 24 with 1963 views | PhilTWTD |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:36 - Jan 24 by abracaDOBRA_ |
Yep, must be true then. It wouldn't set the world alight, but also could be a lot worse. Phil, are you aware of Evans sounding out replacements yet? Surely he must be. Dont think PL will be sacked until we have a replacement lined up. |
Other than something I heard ages ago about Paul Cook, presumably just to see if he fancied it as and when, not heard anything recently. But I think we must be getting to that stage and think he will have someone lined up before PL is jettisoned, which I don't think is far away now, despite the club continuing to give the steer that the owner remains fully committed. | | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:42 - Jan 24 with 1937 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:39 - Jan 24 by PhilTWTD |
Other than something I heard ages ago about Paul Cook, presumably just to see if he fancied it as and when, not heard anything recently. But I think we must be getting to that stage and think he will have someone lined up before PL is jettisoned, which I don't think is far away now, despite the club continuing to give the steer that the owner remains fully committed. |
I think a bad performance Tuesday could do it personally. Hell, id even take a loss if it meant he'd be sacked. It does definitely feel like we are nearly there.
The football along with PL unenthusiastic manner, not doing press conferences but can go on Scottish tv. Surely Evans has picked up on all of that. As well as none of the players getting on with him.
It makes no sense to keep him here. Doesn't even seem like PL wants to be here imo | | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:50 - Jan 24 with 1890 views | PhilTWTD |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:42 - Jan 24 by abracaDOBRA_ |
I think a bad performance Tuesday could do it personally. Hell, id even take a loss if it meant he'd be sacked. It does definitely feel like we are nearly there.
The football along with PL unenthusiastic manner, not doing press conferences but can go on Scottish tv. Surely Evans has picked up on all of that. As well as none of the players getting on with him.
It makes no sense to keep him here. Doesn't even seem like PL wants to be here imo |
Agree, all looking like it's coming to an end and just a matter of time before ME has someone else sorted to come in and PL is relieved of his duties. | | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:55 - Jan 24 with 1875 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:50 - Jan 24 by PhilTWTD |
Agree, all looking like it's coming to an end and just a matter of time before ME has someone else sorted to come in and PL is relieved of his duties. |
It's a shame it will probably come after we lose to Sunderland. Another game, another 3 points wasted. Not sure why he's delaying it tbh, gives the new man less time to work wonders. | | | |
| The case for Paul Cook on 15:06 - Jan 24 with 1839 views | itfcjoe |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:50 - Jan 24 by PhilTWTD |
Agree, all looking like it's coming to an end and just a matter of time before ME has someone else sorted to come in and PL is relieved of his duties. |
Just need to hope no wasted stay of execution if he does get a result Tuesday - but it’s done here, everyone knows it |  |
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| The case for Paul Cook on 15:06 - Jan 24 with 1843 views | monty_radio |
| The case for Paul Cook on 14:36 - Jan 24 by PhilTWTD |
I heard a whisper a while back that ME had sounded him out, presumably an ask to see if he fancied it as and when the job might come up.
One complication with appointing PC is that Wigan's adminstrators would want compensation as he had time left on his contract. |
That, coupled with a large payout for P.L. would presumably be persuading M.E. to stay his hand just a bit longer? The table still has an annoying look about it that suggests to anyone not well-connected to the club (yes, I know) that a couple of wins would do it to get back on track.
As an aside, I do wonder if all this extra-mural broadcasting away from home might be a preparation for future job-options? | |
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