| 1 in 5 care home staff..... 08:34 - Feb 1 with 2463 views | Herbivore |
..... have refused to have the Covid vaccine according to the BBC this morning. That's a bit of a worrying figure, given that we're taking about a group for whom Covid is a significant risk and who know that transmitting Covid through their work would have very grave consequences.
If that's replicated or worse across the entire adult population then it's going to be pretty tricky to go completely back to normal. |  |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 08:40 - Feb 1 with 1887 views | LeoMuff |
If there is a significant percentage of refusals, I’m sure they will introduce passports for travel abroad, and some leisure, which will be enough to persuade a large amount to comply. |  |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 08:45 - Feb 1 with 1868 views | StokieBlue |
That's a huge concern. Regardless of their concerns they are a massive vector to the most vulnerable.
I simply don't understand people who don't want it, it's a totally different mindset to myself and one I find hard to reconcile.
As you say this could have big implications if 20% of the adult population don't want it. Given the vaccine isn't approved for kids that's 40% of the population who won't have it and given a good chunk of those kids can be vectors for the new variants it's not enough coverage to achieve any herd immunity.
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 08:50 - Feb 1 with 1843 views | Herbivore |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 08:45 - Feb 1 by StokieBlue |
That's a huge concern. Regardless of their concerns they are a massive vector to the most vulnerable.
I simply don't understand people who don't want it, it's a totally different mindset to myself and one I find hard to reconcile.
As you say this could have big implications if 20% of the adult population don't want it. Given the vaccine isn't approved for kids that's 40% of the population who won't have it and given a good chunk of those kids can be vectors for the new variants it's not enough coverage to achieve any herd immunity.
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The level of community transmission of the virus will still be potentially huge if that many people aren't vaccinated. As you say, that makes it inevitable that the virus continues to mutate and potentially becomes resistant to existing vaccines. It'll still mean significant strain on the NHS as numbers getting ill will continue to be high if ongoing restrictions aren't in place.
We've put all our eggs in the vaccination basket, but if we can't get almost all adults to be vaccinated it's much harder to see how we get back to completely normal. | |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 08:51 - Feb 1 with 1833 views | GeoffSentence |
WifeSentence is a carer, not in a care home but going into people's own homes. As such she is supposed to do a test every week. It is not mandatory though and according to her office team a third of the carers don't do it. |  |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 08:53 - Feb 1 with 1813 views | StokieBlue |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 08:50 - Feb 1 by Herbivore |
The level of community transmission of the virus will still be potentially huge if that many people aren't vaccinated. As you say, that makes it inevitable that the virus continues to mutate and potentially becomes resistant to existing vaccines. It'll still mean significant strain on the NHS as numbers getting ill will continue to be high if ongoing restrictions aren't in place.
We've put all our eggs in the vaccination basket, but if we can't get almost all adults to be vaccinated it's much harder to see how we get back to completely normal. |
I think people will be "subtly" forced to have the vaccine.
They politicians will say it's optional but there could well be a restriction on many things if you don't have it.
Unfortunately it would seem to be the only way to push the uptake percentage the the levels needed.
Apparently 106,000 deaths in the UK alone isn't enough to do that.
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 08:54 - Feb 1 with 1812 views | longtimefan |
I saw a chart yesterday, I think on the BBC website, that showed percentages of people willing to take the vaccine by nations. UK was top but with only around 75%, with most other nations significantly lower, many below 50%. Couldn’t believe the UK figure was that low, let alone the others |  | | |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 08:55 - Feb 1 with 1804 views | StokieBlue |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 08:54 - Feb 1 by longtimefan |
I saw a chart yesterday, I think on the BBC website, that showed percentages of people willing to take the vaccine by nations. UK was top but with only around 75%, with most other nations significantly lower, many below 50%. Couldn’t believe the UK figure was that low, let alone the others |
You might be surprised how many other countries populations distrust their governments even more than the UK population.
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 09:00 - Feb 1 with 1782 views | vapour_trail |
A few things at play here
1. Two decades of political leadership that brazenly lies to the public as a matter of course has completely eroded public trust.
2. Providing a platform to influencers who can say what they want without any sort of challenge, presenting an alternative reality as the truth.
3. A large proportion of the public are really fcking thick. |  |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 09:03 - Feb 1 with 1764 views | Herbivore |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 09:00 - Feb 1 by vapour_trail |
A few things at play here
1. Two decades of political leadership that brazenly lies to the public as a matter of course has completely eroded public trust.
2. Providing a platform to influencers who can say what they want without any sort of challenge, presenting an alternative reality as the truth.
3. A large proportion of the public are really fcking thick. |
Can't really disagree with any of that. I might throw a selfish into point 3 for completeness. | |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 09:19 - Feb 1 with 1718 views | factual_blue |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 08:53 - Feb 1 by StokieBlue |
I think people will be "subtly" forced to have the vaccine.
They politicians will say it's optional but there could well be a restriction on many things if you don't have it.
Unfortunately it would seem to be the only way to push the uptake percentage the the levels needed.
Apparently 106,000 deaths in the UK alone isn't enough to do that.
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Foreign travel and buying/renewing insurance will almost certainly involve questions about your vaccination status. |  |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 09:25 - Feb 1 with 1666 views | Bluefish |
I don't see why that would change things? Once the vaccine is open to everyone or enough people then we are fair game to return. It would surely be at the same risk level as flu where people have the option of a vaccine?
I am not saying cv19 is currently the same as flu but if 70-80% of the country has been vaccinated against cv19 then they must become comparable |  |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 09:33 - Feb 1 with 1612 views | Pinewoodblue |
There was a care home owner on Sky last week. Seems all néw staff are required to be vaccinated but he couldn’t do anything about existing staff who refuse. |  |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 09:54 - Feb 1 with 1544 views | tractordownsouth |
I work in a supported living home for disabled adults so I'm due to get mine in 2 weeks. Remarkably we've had no cases at all since March - all of our staff have either had the jab or say they're going to have it, except one. He said he's had his flu and MMR jabs so isn't a Piers Corbyn type but talked about it being rushed, which of course isn't true. He's new and it was the first shift I'd worked with him so didn't really confront him about it but if the subject comes up again I probably should. |  |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 09:55 - Feb 1 with 1536 views | Herbivore |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 09:25 - Feb 1 by Bluefish |
I don't see why that would change things? Once the vaccine is open to everyone or enough people then we are fair game to return. It would surely be at the same risk level as flu where people have the option of a vaccine?
I am not saying cv19 is currently the same as flu but if 70-80% of the country has been vaccinated against cv19 then they must become comparable |
It will be 70-80% of the adult population, at least initially. Given how transmissible it is and the mortality rate, that's not a high enough proportion of the population to prevent a significant amount of community transmission. That means relatively large numbers of people getting seriously ill still (especially with no restrictions in place) and a much higher chance of mutations becoming resistant to the vaccine. | |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 09:57 - Feb 1 with 1529 views | EdwardStone |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 09:33 - Feb 1 by Pinewoodblue |
There was a care home owner on Sky last week. Seems all néw staff are required to be vaccinated but he couldn’t do anything about existing staff who refuse. |
Maybe the existing staff who are refuseniks will find themselves edged out of the company
If I was the boss I wouldn't want them
But it does seem to defy belief that those who have worked in such close proximity to death could ever think of refusing |  | | |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:05 - Feb 1 with 1479 views | WeWereZombies |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 08:55 - Feb 1 by StokieBlue |
You might be surprised how many other countries populations distrust their governments even more than the UK population.
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I thought the vaccines were developed by pharmaceutical companies though, and not the governments - for some the development of medical treatment driven by profit could be the issue, for others a distrust of the licensing mechanism but admittedly there would be a rump of people who see this as all part of 'them' and just distrust everything. |  |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:06 - Feb 1 with 1480 views | BlueBadger |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 09:57 - Feb 1 by EdwardStone |
Maybe the existing staff who are refuseniks will find themselves edged out of the company
If I was the boss I wouldn't want them
But it does seem to defy belief that those who have worked in such close proximity to death could ever think of refusing |
Mate of mine on FB has a mate who who is anti-vax. This person is also a registered nurse. Thankfully, they are in the US and thus, several thousand miles from me, but it's a bit of a concern.
Particularly when they started banging on about 'what if the vaccine starts telling your DNA to shut down other things' |  |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:08 - Feb 1 with 1466 views | StokieBlue |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:05 - Feb 1 by WeWereZombies |
I thought the vaccines were developed by pharmaceutical companies though, and not the governments - for some the development of medical treatment driven by profit could be the issue, for others a distrust of the licensing mechanism but admittedly there would be a rump of people who see this as all part of 'them' and just distrust everything. |
You are of course right that they are developed by companies but if you listen to the reasons why people don't want it then usually very high up the list and often top is that they "don't trust the government".
This could be a "clumping" as you say with the "government" being a catch-all.
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:11 - Feb 1 with 1448 views | IpswichKnight |
According to the National Care Home Association’s executive chair some of the refusals are down to Cultural issues and I saw Sadiq Khan and Nadhim Zahawi come out together to encourage everyone to in the community to take the vaccine when available. | | | |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:11 - Feb 1 with 1435 views | Bluefish |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:08 - Feb 1 by StokieBlue |
You are of course right that they are developed by companies but if you listen to the reasons why people don't want it then usually very high up the list and often top is that they "don't trust the government".
This could be a "clumping" as you say with the "government" being a catch-all.
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I answered this point to someone the other day. It the vaccine is going to mutate us/kill us/whatever they think and 80% of the population has it, can 20% survive any sort of decent life on their own anyway? | |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:12 - Feb 1 with 1439 views | ElderGrizzly |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 08:40 - Feb 1 by LeoMuff |
If there is a significant percentage of refusals, I’m sure they will introduce passports for travel abroad, and some leisure, which will be enough to persuade a large amount to comply. |
Vaccine ‘passports’ are already on their way for travel, as with the old Yellow Fever card.
We are already hearing of Govts saying there will be draconian entry procedures without a vaccine too |  | | |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:13 - Feb 1 with 1430 views | StokieBlue |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:11 - Feb 1 by IpswichKnight |
According to the National Care Home Association’s executive chair some of the refusals are down to Cultural issues and I saw Sadiq Khan and Nadhim Zahawi come out together to encourage everyone to in the community to take the vaccine when available. |
A lot of those issues are also misinformation though, especially we regards to the ingredients in the vaccine which have been falsified in order to target certain populations.
This is where the social media companies need to be held to account. Everyone should have access to all the accurate information they need. It's highly debatable if everyone should have access to clearly incorrect information.
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:13 - Feb 1 with 1425 views | Bluefish |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:12 - Feb 1 by ElderGrizzly |
Vaccine ‘passports’ are already on their way for travel, as with the old Yellow Fever card.
We are already hearing of Govts saying there will be draconian entry procedures without a vaccine too |
Will my vaccine passport be as good as my old eu burgundy one or will it be a poor version like the new UK blue one? | |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:15 - Feb 1 with 1419 views | clive_baker |
| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:11 - Feb 1 by IpswichKnight |
According to the National Care Home Association’s executive chair some of the refusals are down to Cultural issues and I saw Sadiq Khan and Nadhim Zahawi come out together to encourage everyone to in the community to take the vaccine when available. |
I did think that. A huge number of staff in that sector are from different cultures, where perhaps they take a different view of vaccines, perhaps religion plays a part too. I'm hypothesising somewhat, but it's possibly a factor. |  |
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| 1 in 5 care home staff..... on 10:20 - Feb 1 with 1403 views | bluelagos |
I do think all the current back slapping over the vaccine roll out (Which is going well) is covering the rates of vaccinations. Indeed all the govt targets are "To have offered the vaccine..." rather than actual targets around take ups.
I think this will be become an issue that will need much more focus than we seeing at the moment, no question.
One positive though, is people who are reluctant (scared) rather than anti-vaccers, they will see that Xm have taken it without serious issues and so I'd hope there will be many people who fall in line over time. |  |
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