| Another academy player speaking out 18:57 - Feb 25 with 10555 views | George03 |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:45 - Feb 25 with 1024 views | Bluefish |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:43 - Feb 25 by Illinoisblue |
Fed lettuce and beans? Wtf?
Also, is there a distinction between abuse and banter? Probably depends on what side of it you’re on.
Feel bad for the youths who don’t make it, but that’s life. I didn’t set out to have a number of soul- destroying jobs but here we are. |
I really hope the family come out and give us the full story as to why he ate lettuce and beans, realistically he was perfectly old enough to make his own meal. I suspect he was out st meal time or refuse to eat the offering. If that is all they offered then they should be struck off the list but I doubt it |  |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:46 - Feb 25 with 1016 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:43 - Feb 25 by Bluefish |
Completely that. I am heavily involved in grass roots and have close contacts that have been involved in academies. It is a horrible world and only made palatable to chase vast riches for the tiny minority |
And the so called 'development squads' that are used as a catch up to sweep the 'maybes' make matters worse.
I know Hull run such a system, and review the attendees every 6 weeks. Dumping 6 and 7 years olds by way of a letter. |  |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:47 - Feb 25 with 1008 views | Bluefish |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:44 - Feb 25 by Funge |
I mean, I've never been in the forces, nor in a trade - but the point there is that you've got people around you supporting you, wanting you to improve, because you're starting from a point of knowing nothing about the trade in question, or, er, fighting.
Whereas a youth footballer will have spent an inordinate amount of time training as a footballer, focussing towards it throughout their formulative years - I'm not sure how I'd react at the age of 17/18 to be told I wasnt good enough, after all that training, the midweek sessions, time spent away from my schoolmates - I'd suggest that it would hit me bloody hard. [Post edited 25 Feb 2021 19:45]
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It would hit you hard and you would feel bitter but it wouldn't make them negligent | |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:47 - Feb 25 with 1015 views | BryanPlug |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:41 - Feb 25 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I wonder what role the parents play too.
My oldest is 7, and the amount of pushy parents is scary. All desperate for their kids to get 'scouted'. ...paying £20 for their kids to attend open trials etc.
Personally I'd rather my lad isn't scouted at a young age and can just enjoy his football. |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:48 - Feb 25 with 1003 views | Bluefish |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:46 - Feb 25 by Marshalls_Mullet |
And the so called 'development squads' that are used as a catch up to sweep the 'maybes' make matters worse.
I know Hull run such a system, and review the attendees every 6 weeks. Dumping 6 and 7 years olds by way of a letter. |
1st rule of thumb is if they take any money off you at all, kit travel etc then they aren't that interested. The rest are a money maker by selling false dreams | |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:50 - Feb 25 with 999 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:48 - Feb 25 by Bluefish |
1st rule of thumb is if they take any money off you at all, kit travel etc then they aren't that interested. The rest are a money maker by selling false dreams |
Agreed, the club in question was Premier League Leeds... asking £20 per kid to attend an open trial.
I know plenty of parents who wanted to put their 7 year old through that.
There's plenty of scouts at matches to find talent if good enough. | |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:50 - Feb 25 with 1004 views | monytowbray |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:45 - Feb 25 by Bluefish |
I really hope the family come out and give us the full story as to why he ate lettuce and beans, realistically he was perfectly old enough to make his own meal. I suspect he was out st meal time or refuse to eat the offering. If that is all they offered then they should be struck off the list but I doubt it |
Sh1t like this is the reason abuse victims, particularly male ones, don't come forward and the whole cycle continues.
Victim shaming/blaming. Have a word with yourself. [Post edited 25 Feb 2021 19:51]
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:51 - Feb 25 with 992 views | Funge |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:47 - Feb 25 by Bluefish |
It would hit you hard and you would feel bitter but it wouldn't make them negligent |
Hmmm, not sure I agree.
Your suggestion seems to be that the kids choose to pursue this choice of career, so should take full responsibility if and when it doesn't work out.
Which is fair enough, to a point - but the club has a duty of care to cushion the blow.
Apologies if I've misrepresented your point of view here - this is an interesting one. |  | | |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:51 - Feb 25 with 984 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:45 - Feb 25 by Bluefish |
I really hope the family come out and give us the full story as to why he ate lettuce and beans, realistically he was perfectly old enough to make his own meal. I suspect he was out st meal time or refuse to eat the offering. If that is all they offered then they should be struck off the list but I doubt it |
I suspect they will refute it.
It may well have been a meal with salad on the side or something, that is now translated as beans and lettuce. | |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:53 - Feb 25 with 980 views | RedX |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:30 - Feb 25 by snudge27 |
I think there are two threads to it.
You're right on the bullying - there's no defending it and the club should have done more to stop it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case that those doing the bullying were, perhaps, more promising young players and the club didn't want to do anything to risk them deciding they didn't want to be at ITFC any more.
As for the 'aftercare' aspect, I don't buy it. You know the rules, and you know the risks. If you don't make the grade then it's down to you to find yourself a new path in life. |
Any player involved in bullying should be given a firm warning, or in some cases, booted out of the club. It's totally unacceptable.
I agree somewhat about the 'aftercare' aspect. Of course it's up to these guys to find their own way when released, but surely a couple of phonecalls wouldn't be too hard?
A young lad getting released from a club could be devastating for them. It's completely different to another young guy losing his job. Becoming a pro and playing football is a dream for theses boys. Being released would be a massive blow to them. I think it's important to help them along even after being released. |  | | |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:53 - Feb 25 with 978 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:50 - Feb 25 by monytowbray |
Sh1t like this is the reason abuse victims, particularly male ones, don't come forward and the whole cycle continues.
Victim shaming/blaming. Have a word with yourself. [Post edited 25 Feb 2021 19:51]
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I don't think he was looking to do that at all. | |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:53 - Feb 25 with 978 views | IpswichKnight |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:45 - Feb 25 by WicklowBlue |
Sounds like my experience as a hockey GK for a small regional club. Didn't have (nor would you expect) a GK coach and resorted to YouTube etc to come up with drills etc. Mind you I was ancient at that stage, and the great thing with that hockey club was they were focused on the juniors and had over 300 up training at underage levels. That was and is the future of the club.
If you do not invest in youth development then you can't expect them to bolster the Senior team. |
We’re lucky at my hockey club our club coach is also a gk at Reading and a qualifier gk coach, we’re also lucky to have a thriving colts section so much so I’m very happy to stop playing league games now and play for the vets or umpire ( turns out I’m a better umpire than player! ) |  | | |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:55 - Feb 25 with 963 views | Bluefish |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:51 - Feb 25 by Funge |
Hmmm, not sure I agree.
Your suggestion seems to be that the kids choose to pursue this choice of career, so should take full responsibility if and when it doesn't work out.
Which is fair enough, to a point - but the club has a duty of care to cushion the blow.
Apologies if I've misrepresented your point of view here - this is an interesting one. |
And I suspect they absolutely do but it doesn't take away the bitterness. It is a dint hate the player, hate the game type scenario
What they are describing is virtually every academy in the land and well known before they sign up. Like I said I wouldn't let my kids sign up for it and once put my views across to out fa mentor who was part of the Leicester academy. He wasn't happy about it but I've never heard such double standards whole they preach to grassroots
I wouldn't let any kids be sucked in until at least 13 and then I would want them looked after to far higher standards | |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:57 - Feb 25 with 967 views | Bluefish |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:53 - Feb 25 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't think he was looking to do that at all. |
If it is aimed at me don't worry that sad sack has been div listed for years. He constantly replies to me desperate to score a point but I don't see it or care. Utter loser | |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:57 - Feb 25 with 964 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:41 - Feb 25 by monytowbray |
Fishers admires the lads doing the bullying as it's big and clever to wind others up. He never really has grown out of the playground. |
This post comes across as hypocritical. | |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:57 - Feb 25 with 964 views | pointofblue |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:53 - Feb 25 by RedX |
Any player involved in bullying should be given a firm warning, or in some cases, booted out of the club. It's totally unacceptable.
I agree somewhat about the 'aftercare' aspect. Of course it's up to these guys to find their own way when released, but surely a couple of phonecalls wouldn't be too hard?
A young lad getting released from a club could be devastating for them. It's completely different to another young guy losing his job. Becoming a pro and playing football is a dream for theses boys. Being released would be a massive blow to them. I think it's important to help them along even after being released. |
Both of the releases from the former academy players mentioned support from first team players. Part of me wonders if this might be intentional rather than voluntary, as the club feels having the coaches who released these players then calling them up might get short shrift, or have the players refuse to speak to them? | |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 19:59 - Feb 25 with 955 views | WicklowBlue |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:53 - Feb 25 by IpswichKnight |
We’re lucky at my hockey club our club coach is also a gk at Reading and a qualifier gk coach, we’re also lucky to have a thriving colts section so much so I’m very happy to stop playing league games now and play for the vets or umpire ( turns out I’m a better umpire than player! ) |
That resonates with me completely, after 27 years playing hockey (every position on the field). During that time reffed loads of lower leagues and actually enjoyed it. Then broke a metacarpal playing outfield and then the pandemic hit and hockey stopped for the most part. Now have to decide after 12 months do I want to focus on job/family or get back into Vets and potentially do Umpire courses and keeping up with constant rule changes etc. |  | | |
| Another academy player speaking out on 20:00 - Feb 25 with 951 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:16 - Feb 25 by BryanPlug |
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Do you not think the lack of a goalkeeper coach is pretty damning/amateurish? |  |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 20:00 - Feb 25 with 948 views | monytowbray |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:53 - Feb 25 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't think he was looking to do that at all. |
It may not be what it's designed to do but it's what those sort of words do. | |
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| Another academy player speaking out on 20:01 - Feb 25 with 946 views | RedX |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:57 - Feb 25 by pointofblue |
Both of the releases from the former academy players mentioned support from first team players. Part of me wonders if this might be intentional rather than voluntary, as the club feels having the coaches who released these players then calling them up might get short shrift, or have the players refuse to speak to them? |
Has the club a welfare officer that might make these calls? I doubt any player wants to speak to a coach that has released him.
It doesn't look good right now. Other young lads will see this and more important their parents. It's important the club addresses this as quickly as possible. | | | |
| Another academy player speaking out on 20:04 - Feb 25 with 938 views | Funge |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:55 - Feb 25 by Bluefish |
And I suspect they absolutely do but it doesn't take away the bitterness. It is a dint hate the player, hate the game type scenario
What they are describing is virtually every academy in the land and well known before they sign up. Like I said I wouldn't let my kids sign up for it and once put my views across to out fa mentor who was part of the Leicester academy. He wasn't happy about it but I've never heard such double standards whole they preach to grassroots
I wouldn't let any kids be sucked in until at least 13 and then I would want them looked after to far higher standards |
A mate of mine's son was approached by those pricks up the road, to go and join their academy - his boy was 10.
He was expected to go up the A140 once a week, and on Saturday - and was told that he wouldn't be allowed to have a kickabout with his mates at school.
My mate's boy turned them down - essentially he just wanted to have a laugh with his mates at school - which is obviously the whole point.
I think you and I are in broad agreement that the whole academy thing is geared up completely incorrectly. [Post edited 25 Feb 2021 20:04]
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| Another academy player speaking out on 20:05 - Feb 25 with 931 views | IpswichKnight |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:59 - Feb 25 by WicklowBlue |
That resonates with me completely, after 27 years playing hockey (every position on the field). During that time reffed loads of lower leagues and actually enjoyed it. Then broke a metacarpal playing outfield and then the pandemic hit and hockey stopped for the most part. Now have to decide after 12 months do I want to focus on job/family or get back into Vets and potentially do Umpire courses and keeping up with constant rule changes etc. |
I realised after pulling a muscle in my back that it’s really a young persons game! I quite enjoyed the vets games as well. There are some really good umpire resources, fhumpires is probably the best, it’s run by an international umpire from Canada but she taylors all her content so that if your a new club umpire to an Olympic Games gold medal match umpire you’ll get a lot out of it. rule changes aren’t that bad and you’ll get good info from your umpires association before it comes into force about how to implement any new changes. | | | |
| Another academy player speaking out on 20:06 - Feb 25 with 923 views | MattinLondon |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:30 - Feb 25 by Bluefish |
Yes I have 3 and I wouldn't let them in an academy unless I was sure they would make it and even then I would be there to support every step of the way.
It is a football dressing room and rightly or wrongly it will be a brutal world. Fook me it won't be close to some of the sh*t we faced as a 17 year in the semi pro game. Those dressing rooms really were no holds barred |
That really doesn’t make it right does it? |  | | |
| Another academy player speaking out on 20:11 - Feb 25 with 928 views | townblue |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:06 - Feb 25 by Bluefish |
Sounds like a bitterness bandwagon
For the record I completely think more should be done for youngsters. I think the whole academy system needs an overhaul and it is a disgrace how they treat kids but he would get all of that in any team and any workplace. Let's not go overboard here |
Certainly not bitterness from a few old men in this thread because they didn't make it either, taking the chance for a swipe at some bullied kids. |  | | |
| Another academy player speaking out on 20:13 - Feb 25 with 907 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Another academy player speaking out on 19:50 - Feb 25 by monytowbray |
Sh1t like this is the reason abuse victims, particularly male ones, don't come forward and the whole cycle continues.
Victim shaming/blaming. Have a word with yourself. [Post edited 25 Feb 2021 19:51]
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