| The audacity of speaking out 06:55 - Mar 9 with 6804 views | bluelagos |
The misogyny of many monarchists is coming through in spades. Seems to some that Megan should know her place in life, and it clearly isn't in highlighting to the world the failings of the Monarchy.
Sorry Megan, it's not as simple as you're kids are a little bit too dark, it's also that you have an opinion and are willing to share it...
Fck that nonsense. Team Meg for me :-) [Post edited 9 Mar 2021 6:56]
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:01 - Mar 9 with 1369 views | Guthrum |
| The audacity of speaking out on 08:39 - Mar 9 by bluelagos |
I look at the Irish model of elected head of state who basically opens doors, hosts dinners etc and they seem to have it sussed.
It can be done and is being done. And if the Irish head of state turns out to be a bit sh1t, they can get rid. We are stuck with whoever happened to drop out of Lizzie's or Kate's womb first. |
Indeed, the Irish have done particularly well with their Presidents and that would be my preferred model, should we choose to go down that route. |  |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:02 - Mar 9 with 1360 views | Herbivore |
| The audacity of speaking out on 08:56 - Mar 9 by noggin |
When it refers to the Royal Family, "Keep an open mind" means bow to your superiors and accept that you are not worthy of the truth. |
I also enjoyed him promoting you to keep an open mind having himself suggested that it's just a case of family members saying stupid things to each other. Clearly lowie is privvy to the context in a way you and I are not.
It's been interesting to see how radically lowie's stance towards racism has changed now that there's no value in using it as a stick to beat Jeremy Corbyn with. Very interesting. [Post edited 9 Mar 2021 9:02]
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:02 - Mar 9 with 1354 views | lowhouseblue |
| The audacity of speaking out on 08:51 - Mar 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Most people’s families aren’t public servants who are the figureheads of a multicultural society though.
An allegation has been made but left hanging and I think it needs investigating. The context of the comment needs clarifying as you are correct, elder members if the family can say some daft things. As I said yesterday, and elderly relative once said of my wife that she looked like “she had a touch of the tar brush about her”. A completely outdated phrase which was probably acceptable from the age they grew up in. It wasn’t made in an offensive manner or said to cause harm and it’s a phrase that will most likely fade away by the time my kids are grown up.
The context is important. Did the senior member of the royal family simply speculate on the colour of the baby, as I’m sure many people involved in mixed marriages have done, or did they balk at the prospect of a member of the Royal family having dark skin. |
they are certainly public servants - but even they are entitled to an element of a private life. but they would be very wise to clarify their version of it. i'm not sure an investigation can amount to more than that. but context is pretty important. speculating about what a baby will look like is not inherently racist. suggesting that skin colour would be a problem would be. i'm also sure that in a family discussion people use language in a more relaxed way - we shouldn't pretend otherwise. |  |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:06 - Mar 9 with 1325 views | lowhouseblue |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:02 - Mar 9 by Herbivore |
I also enjoyed him promoting you to keep an open mind having himself suggested that it's just a case of family members saying stupid things to each other. Clearly lowie is privvy to the context in a way you and I are not.
It's been interesting to see how radically lowie's stance towards racism has changed now that there's no value in using it as a stick to beat Jeremy Corbyn with. Very interesting. [Post edited 9 Mar 2021 9:02]
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do you think that families don't say stupid things to one another? where have i said that i know the context? you should focus on your reading skills and stop banging away at your repetitive agenda. | |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:09 - Mar 9 with 1318 views | DanTheMan |
| The audacity of speaking out on 08:32 - Mar 9 by bluelagos |
Conflicted on this. Given that there is a possibility that a future King is a racist, I would think it is very much in the public interest.
We have nonetheless unproven allegation given we have only heard one side.
Is it a matter for the public? Well given we fund them then I think it not unreasonable that any findings are made public. |
Once it's investigated, we do only have their word on it at the moment, even if I'm personally inclined to believe them.
Although what an investigation would be able to reveal if it became "he said, she said" remains to be seen. |  |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:13 - Mar 9 with 1307 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I have not time for either 'side' in this. H & M are a pair of bores, who ooze privilege. They come across as as spoilt, and were both happy to take Charles' money for a California mansion.
The monarchy is archaic, and let's be honest their wealth was not 'earned'. Maybe this will open a few eyes. Pretty disgusting that we (taxpayers) have to subsidize those of obscene riches. |  | | |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:14 - Mar 9 with 1287 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:02 - Mar 9 by lowhouseblue |
they are certainly public servants - but even they are entitled to an element of a private life. but they would be very wise to clarify their version of it. i'm not sure an investigation can amount to more than that. but context is pretty important. speculating about what a baby will look like is not inherently racist. suggesting that skin colour would be a problem would be. i'm also sure that in a family discussion people use language in a more relaxed way - we shouldn't pretend otherwise. |
Yes. I don’t think staying silent is sustainable. This feels very much like when the Queen stayed in Balmoral after Diana’s death. |  |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:15 - Mar 9 with 1280 views | Guthrum |
| The audacity of speaking out on 08:49 - Mar 9 by bluelagos |
If you are going down that route, can we backdate all the tax they avoided for 80 odd years? |
Altho the only personal income she avoided being taxed on was that with which she refunded the Treasury for other support grants supplied outside the Civil List - i.e. paying for those on official duties other than the Queen, Philip, the Queen Mother or (Duchy of Cornwall-funded) Charles and his immediate family.
Also, given she is effectively paying tax to herself (should the monarch once again take up the full income of the Crown Estates), it would be slightly pointless. | |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:21 - Mar 9 with 1262 views | LeoMuff |
| The audacity of speaking out on 07:31 - Mar 9 by mikeybloo88 |
Guess you either believe everything they say is as true and dramatic as they claim, or you can believe that it's just one side of a story, remain open minded and consider you dont know for sure the true characters and possible motives of those involved. |
Possibly but when a very similar situation occurred not 20 years ago to Diana which showed the press and monarchy in a shocking light.
While also Philip frequently has made highly inappropriate comments about race and everyone laughs it off, you have to say the evidence points to there being truth in this. |  |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:22 - Mar 9 with 1258 views | bluelagos |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:15 - Mar 9 by Guthrum |
Altho the only personal income she avoided being taxed on was that with which she refunded the Treasury for other support grants supplied outside the Civil List - i.e. paying for those on official duties other than the Queen, Philip, the Queen Mother or (Duchy of Cornwall-funded) Charles and his immediate family.
Also, given she is effectively paying tax to herself (should the monarch once again take up the full income of the Crown Estates), it would be slightly pointless. |
Just have to requisition the lot then :-) | |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:24 - Mar 9 with 1251 views | bluelagos |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:14 - Mar 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Yes. I don’t think staying silent is sustainable. This feels very much like when the Queen stayed in Balmoral after Diana’s death. |
It's early days, but another 48 hours of "dignified silence" and I think it will indeed start to look as if they 'out of touch' with the masses. | |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:24 - Mar 9 with 1242 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:22 - Mar 9 by bluelagos |
Just have to requisition the lot then :-) |
I think this sums up my view in the monarchy better than I could.
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:30 - Mar 9 with 1215 views | Ryorry |
| The audacity of speaking out on 08:05 - Mar 9 by Guthrum |
Not sure it's even that (tho it may be an element within). More that the modern British monarchy has become a machine generating income for so many people - both employees and in the media. The family itself has become a commodity to be managed and traded upon.
Most humans tend to fold under that kind of pressure. You only have to look at the world of celebrity for parallells - but at least they have the option of stepping back into the shadows. It takes years and generational planning to escape being a royal (c.f. Princess Anne and her children).
There are plenty of examples within the Royal Family. Margaret's drinking and Charles' struggles are well documented - and that in a gentler age, media wise. It did for Diana (not in a conspiracy sense, but the strain drove her over the edge). I'm pretty sure Andrew would not have got himself into trouble like that if he had been allowed to remain in the Navy. And now we have Harry and Megan.
If the institution is to survive at all, it needs serious downsizing. Reduce it to something more like the Danish or Dutch models, less of a circus. Otherwise the scandals and public breakdowns will just keep on coming. |
The interview exposed that being born into, or marrying into, our RF is in some ways rather a "cruel and unusual punishment"! so on those grounds, plus what's becming clear is its increasingly archaic & anachronistic nature, I'm now, for the first time in my long life, in favour of phasing it out, with the last monarch being Charles or William. |  |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:31 - Mar 9 with 1211 views | eastangliaisblue |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:13 - Mar 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I have not time for either 'side' in this. H & M are a pair of bores, who ooze privilege. They come across as as spoilt, and were both happy to take Charles' money for a California mansion.
The monarchy is archaic, and let's be honest their wealth was not 'earned'. Maybe this will open a few eyes. Pretty disgusting that we (taxpayers) have to subsidize those of obscene riches. |
Don't forget they bring in lots of tourism though. |  | | |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:35 - Mar 9 with 1200 views | bluelagos |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:24 - Mar 9 by GlasgowBlue |
I think this sums up my view in the monarchy better than I could.
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I just prefer a system that isn't headed up by someone based on their "birth right"
What should determine how we all get on? Meritocracy or privilege?
Why I'd happily ban all private education tomorrow, but that's a debate for another time :-) | |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:37 - Mar 9 with 1199 views | eireblue |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:24 - Mar 9 by GlasgowBlue |
I think this sums up my view in the monarchy better than I could.
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What, you mean, people need to be born into guided cages, in order to have a national culture that is different from America?
When something is broken, sometimes you can’t just “modernise” it.
Apparently Meghan was supposed to help “modernise” the Royal Family. That didn’t go well. |  | | |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:39 - Mar 9 with 1194 views | bluelagos |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:31 - Mar 9 by eastangliaisblue |
Don't forget they bring in lots of tourism though. |
Yeah, cos no one ever goes to Versailles since the French guillotined Louis. | |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:43 - Mar 9 with 1178 views | noggin |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:31 - Mar 9 by eastangliaisblue |
Don't forget they bring in lots of tourism though. |
Americans don't come to see the Queen. |  |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 09:51 - Mar 9 with 1151 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:43 - Mar 9 by noggin |
Americans don't come to see the Queen. |
Assumed his comment was tongue in cheek. A fallacy peddled for self-preservation no doubt.
Even if it were true, there is no way they should have their hand in the taxpayer pockets with a nett worth of hundreds of millions. | | | |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:55 - Mar 9 with 1134 views | nodge_blue |
| The audacity of speaking out on 08:09 - Mar 9 by Herbivore |
Now seems an opportune time to just do away with the monarchy and install David Attenborough as head of state. |
I was thinking he's a bit too old for that. Then I realised the irony. |  |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 10:06 - Mar 9 with 1101 views | Guthrum |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:37 - Mar 9 by eireblue |
What, you mean, people need to be born into guided cages, in order to have a national culture that is different from America?
When something is broken, sometimes you can’t just “modernise” it.
Apparently Meghan was supposed to help “modernise” the Royal Family. That didn’t go well. |
Altho most attempts to modernise things lead to a backlash, which must be pushed through in order to progress. | |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 10:07 - Mar 9 with 1092 views | Herbivore |
| The audacity of speaking out on 09:55 - Mar 9 by nodge_blue |
I was thinking he's a bit too old for that. Then I realised the irony. |
Thinking he could do a job as caretaker until Greta Thunberg comes of age and gets British citizenship. | |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 10:10 - Mar 9 with 1077 views | StokieBlue |
| The audacity of speaking out on 07:35 - Mar 9 by footers |
Or you couldn't give a feck about which Jeremy Kyle ape gets to wear the shiny hat and move on.
Either way. |
The monarch is done and has been for quite some time. It's on life support whilst the Queen is still with us but once she leaves us nobody cares a jot for the simpleton ramble that she has left behind.
It is however an excellent study in genetics and inbred populations for some university students out there.
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| The audacity of speaking out on 10:10 - Mar 9 with 1070 views | bluelagos |
| The audacity of speaking out on 10:07 - Mar 9 by Herbivore |
Thinking he could do a job as caretaker until Greta Thunberg comes of age and gets British citizenship. |
Greta or Nigel for state president? Would certainly be a polarising debate. | |
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| The audacity of speaking out on 10:12 - Mar 9 with 1065 views | bluelagos |
| The audacity of speaking out on 10:10 - Mar 9 by StokieBlue |
The monarch is done and has been for quite some time. It's on life support whilst the Queen is still with us but once she leaves us nobody cares a jot for the simpleton ramble that she has left behind.
It is however an excellent study in genetics and inbred populations for some university students out there.
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Like how was Harry born a ginger? | |
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