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I called the police but no would would come 20:55 - Mar 21 with 3803 views

Probably because they're having to deal with this rubbish

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What a state this country is turning into.

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I called the police but no would would come on 22:35 - Mar 21 with 943 views

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I called the police but no would would come on 22:34 - Mar 21 by monytowbray
Post COVID beer pls!

Sure, I'll PM you. You might know a good friend of mine.

I called the police but no would would come on 22:38 - Mar 21 with 940 views

jeera

I called the police but no would would come on 21:43 - Mar 21 by King_of_Portman_Rd

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A protest about peaceful protests.. becomes violent. ðŸ¤¦â€â™‚ï¸At least 4 officers in hospital, some with broken bones and suffering from being struck with fireworks. Police vans set on fire

Yet, I fully expect the police to be the ones criticised for how they handled the baying mob with their anti police agenda and their fireworks and accelerants. No one goes to work to get assaulted

It isn't an anti-police agenda.

It is an anti-citizen agenda from the government.

The police are the pawns caught in the middle.

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I called the police but no would would come on 22:44 - Mar 21 with 927 views

King_of_Portman_Rd

I called the police but no would would come on 22:20 - Mar 21 by BlueBadger
It turned into an anti-police protest for one reason - the actions of the police in breaking it up.

Someone commits criminal offences in front of or against police officers.. what are they supposed to
Do?

Quite remarkable that comment. Are you trying to rationalise the actions of those committing these offences? (Genuine question, apologies if I’ve misread) Avon & Somerset are not the Met... but everyone lumps police in the same group. The reports have not mentioned a robust response by police... except for when vans were set on fire and protestors laid siege to a police station, as well as officers receiving serious injuries.

Don’t think there is any justification for any of those actions. Police are not the ones writing the legislation, yet thrown out under resourced to face the baying mob when it has become normalised to assault police officers just because of the uniform they wear

I called the police but no would would come on 22:50 - Mar 21 with 916 views

monytowbray

I called the police but no would would come on 22:44 - Mar 21 by King_of_Portman_Rd

In many authoritarian states when things start to decline the officers renounce their titles in protest.

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I called the police but no would would come on 23:03 - Mar 21 with 899 views

King_of_Portman_Rd

I called the police but no would would come on 22:38 - Mar 21 by jeera
It isn't an anti-police agenda. It is an anti-citizen agenda from the government. The police are the pawns caught in the middle.

Every protest/Vigil/Walk etc has a majority who have peaceful intentions, however they all have numbers of people who attend with ‘ACAB’ ‘Defund the Police’ ‘F&ck the Police’ placards etc. Who quickly mantle it about their grievances with police.

I called the police but no would would come on 23:05 - Mar 21 with 890 views

monytowbray

I called the police but no would would come on 23:03 - Mar 21 by King_of_Portman_Rd
Every protest/Vigil/Walk etc has a majority who have peaceful intentions, however they all have numbers of people who attend with ‘ACAB’ ‘Defund the Police’ ‘F&ck the Police’ placards etc. Who quickly mantle it about their grievances with police.

The issues you list aren’t mutually exclusive would be the correct answer.

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I called the police but no would would come on 23:07 - Mar 21 with 884 views

jeera

I called the police but no would would come on 22:44 - Mar 21 by King_of_Portman_Rd

Mate, you're seeing much of this so far from your own perspective.

I would ask that you respectably take a step back and look at the whole picture.

It's understandable that you feel involved from a professional point of view.

But what about as a regular person, with a family, your own personal values?

What about what's right and wrong.

This government are pushing an agenda that the public are an enemy there to be controlled.

That is not what we are about, nor our policies surrounding the basic principles of our policing.

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I called the police but no would would come on 23:18 - Mar 21 with 872 views

King_of_Portman_Rd

I called the police but no would would come on 23:07 - Mar 21 by jeera

I am able / and have given balanced views on these issues, however tonight I am struggling to see anything that justifies the level of violence (particularly aimed at police staff and property) in what is supposedly a protest about the right to peacefully protest.

There is a wider picture and I have commented on that and continue to do so, I understand the views people have and the mistakes that have been and continue to be made, however tonight there are scenes that should never happen and from a human viewpoint I simply cannot understand it

This government (along with the media) are also pushing an agenda that the police are the enemy.. and it sits very comfortably with a lot of people who do not understand the challenges of policing or know any actually serving officers.

I would ask that you respectably take a step back and look at the whole picture of why it has become normalised to assault police officers. These are human beings with parents, wives, husbands, children who go to work and put themselves in increasing danger with the purpose of keeping people safe. Some will be going home with possibly life changing injuries, for what?

I called the police but no would would come on 23:50 - Mar 21 with 851 views

factual_blue

I called the police but no would would come on 22:07 - Mar 21 by BlueBadger
I'm sure that our resident defenders of free speech will be delighted to see the citizenry of this great nation expressing their desire to continue to be able to fully exercise the democratic right to protest.

So long as no statues of slave traders are hurt in the process.

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I called the police but no would would come on 23:57 - Mar 21 with 839 views

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I called the police but no would would come on 22:44 - Mar 21 by King_of_Portman_Rd

"Someone commits criminal offences in front of or against police officers.. what are they supposed to
Do?"

Yesterday in central London the police walked side-by-side with those committing criminal offences.

They're supposed to be consistent.

I called the police but no would would come on 00:44 - Mar 22 with 836 views

jeera

I called the police but no would would come on 23:18 - Mar 21 by King_of_Portman_Rd

At no point have I ever suggested that violence towards the police is acceptable.

If you think otherwise, then feel free to point it out.

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I called the police but no would would come on 01:54 - Mar 22 with 824 views

pointofblue

Peaceful protests would have more impact than violent protests - violent protests just result in the majority of the populace siding with the government in “something must be done”, even if they do not understand the consequences of the bill in question.

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I called the police but no would would come on 07:45 - Mar 22 with 774 views

Lord_Lucan

I called the police but no would would come on 01:54 - Mar 22 by pointofblue
Peaceful protests would have more impact than violent protests - violent protests just result in the majority of the populace siding with the government in “something must be done”, even if they do not understand the consequences of the bill in question.

All protests are "technically" organised as peaceful, no one organises a violent protest but that doesn't mean that it isn't going to turn into a riot.

I have attended loads of protests, loads. I used to sell whistles at them. Almost all of which have been hijacked by professional agitators and anarchists. I have seen it first hand many times. One of my mates who I used to go with was coincidentally a member of SWP and he used to go on European demos on coaches funded by SWP. They are very well organised.

As someone who has had a fair few scrapes with the police and am fully aware of the tactics they sometimes deploy I do find it quite ironic that the protesters are protesting against a bill that their very own repeated actions have forced the reason for.

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I called the police but no would would come on 22:09 - Mar 21 by chrismakin
Whilst I get all that I've seen a handful of protests over the last few years, and every single one turns into groups of people turning peaceful protests into a free for all. Is it any shock that they want to stop this?

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I called the police but no would would come on 07:51 - Mar 22 with 757 views

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I called the police but no would would come on 07:45 - Mar 22 by Lord_Lucan

....doesn't threatening 10 years for peaceful protest make the violent variety more likely?

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I called the police but no would would come on 07:56 - Mar 22 with 752 views

bluelagos

I called the police but no would would come on 07:45 - Mar 22 by Lord_Lucan

You are seeking to justify a bill, that criminalises peaceful protest, because some people protest violently? There are plenty of laws to deal with violent protest, indeed am sure there will be arrests and charges as/when those involved in any illegal acts last night are identified.

Edit: And I presume that any posters arguing that last night's violent scenes justify curtaiking peaceful protest, I presume next time there is a report of a car doing 120 mph on the A14 you'll be calling for a reduction of the speed limit on the A14?

Cos that is the quality of your argument, because some people do xyz we should ban other people from doing abc.

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I called the police but no would would come on 08:17 - Mar 22 with 729 views

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I called the police but no would would come on 07:56 - Mar 22 by bluelagos

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I'm not seeking to justify a bill that I haven't fully read, it's hundreds of pages long and I doubt hardly any of the people up in arms about it have read it.

The ten years thing though. It would be down to the courts to implement a 10 year stretch and you wouldn't get 10 years for spraying paint on a Starbucks.

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I called the police but no would would come on 08:17 - Mar 22 by Lord_Lucan
I'm not seeking to justify a bill that I haven't fully read, it's hundreds of pages long and I doubt hardly any of the people up in arms about it have read it. The ten years thing though. It would be down to the courts to implement a 10 year stretch and you wouldn't get 10 years for spraying paint on a Starbucks.

Indeed the 10 years would be down to a judge. Making it a criminal offence to cause annoyance is there in black and white.

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I called the police but no would would come on 08:23 - Mar 22 with 722 views

Mercian

Respect for law works both ways. The police have a duty to "police by consent". They have not held up their end of the bargain.

I called the police but no would would come on 08:44 - Mar 22 with 694 views

Guthrum

I called the police but no would would come on 07:45 - Mar 22 by Lord_Lucan

Probably not ironic - just another excuse for a rumble with the police. A bit of excitement amid the frustrations of lockdown.

Youths will fight, for more or less noble causes, always have done. "Anarchists", the Brew Crew, football hooligans, Hells Angels, skinheads, mods v rockers, blackshirts v communists and so on and so on.

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I called the police but no would would come on 08:54 - Mar 22 with 667 views

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I called the police but no would would come on 08:44 - Mar 22 by Guthrum
Probably not ironic - just another excuse for a rumble with the police. A bit of excitement amid the frustrations of lockdown. Youths will fight, for more or less noble causes, always have done. "Anarchists", the Brew Crew, football hooligans, Hells Angels, skinheads, mods v rockers, blackshirts v communists and so on and so on.

To be fair Guthers, there is a bit of a difference in scale.

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I called the police but no would would come on 08:19 - Mar 22 by bluelagos
Indeed the 10 years would be down to a judge. Making it a criminal offence to cause annoyance is there in black and white.

Much of the bill appears to be sound and would bring the laws up to date and make them fit for purpose. What is not acceptable is the 10 years clause that reads like something Priti Patel added in on a brainless whim.
The Labour Party recognise that the bill has merit, but has this major failing. My impression is that they will vote for the bill at first reading and then with the help of moderate Tories and minority parties seek to amend it on its way through parliament.
For me that would be a sensible outcome.

I called the police but no would would come on 09:11 - Mar 22 with 632 views

Crawfordsboot

I called the police but no would would come on 08:44 - Mar 22 by Guthrum
Probably not ironic - just another excuse for a rumble with the police. A bit of excitement amid the frustrations of lockdown. Youths will fight, for more or less noble causes, always have done. "Anarchists", the Brew Crew, football hooligans, Hells Angels, skinheads, mods v rockers, blackshirts v communists and so on and so on.

Here’s a point for all of us on here to reflect on

What do violent football hooligans, skinheads, hells angels, mods and rockers etc. have in common
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Angry white men

I called the police but no would would come on 09:13 - Mar 22 with 625 views

bluelagos

I called the police but no would would come on 09:05 - Mar 22 by Crawfordsboot

You're a bit behind CBB

Labour opposed it, no tories did. It passed it's second reading last week.

I am hoping for some sensible Lords to make inventions / amendments to strip out the controversial bits that have been well publicised.

We will see.

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I called the police but no would would come on 09:16 - Mar 22 with 616 views

Crawfordsboot

I called the police but no would would come on 09:13 - Mar 22 by bluelagos
You're a bit behind CBB Labour opposed it, no tories did. It passed it's second reading last week. I am hoping for some sensible Lords to make inventions / amendments to strip out the controversial bits that have been well publicised. We will see.

Thanks - I was going on Lisa Nandy’s interview with Marr on Sunday

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