| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch 01:15 - Mar 22 with 6143 views | pointofblue |
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2BD0RZ
Doesn't look good for a restrictions to be lifted here but would we better off in the long term letting the EU catch up? Politically this is hardly going to help matters between London and Brussels - and there is the Pfizer warning the UK government could block components in a tit-for-tat response. |  |
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 11:19 - Mar 22 with 2060 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 11:00 - Mar 22 by clive_baker |
I'm a bit lost. If what Matt Hancock was saying last week is true (lol) then the manufacturers would be going back on their contracts not to supply the UK with vaccines that we ordered. I assume the EU can block them being exported to the UK, but presumably, that doesn't mean the EU gets the vaccine? It just means our vaccine is sat there and we can't get it back? I don't know how the EU can demand that manufacturers go back on contractual agreements. |
We should be more concerned about the EU potentially blocking Pfizer vaccine, but suspect an American pharmaceutical would react will all guns blazing. |  |
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 11:24 - Mar 22 with 2043 views | pointofblue |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 11:03 - Mar 22 by Swansea_Blue |
Absolutely. And it requires all countries to be vaccinated, so there's no benefit having a vaccine 'war' to try and be the first. We'll have to wait for the others to catch up anyway (although obviously once our own population is vaccinated that helps domestically). |
To an extent I agree, though as an island we could close our borders and open our economy fully, with additional support in place for the aviation/tourist industry. It’d be less than what we’re paying out now. | |
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 11:41 - Mar 22 with 2025 views | RegencyBlue |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 09:56 - Mar 22 by WD19 |
As I understand it the EU have got a sub-optimal contract with AZ that talks about 'best efforts' (or similar).
So they think AZ should be supplying them with x, but contractually AZ are probably well covered in a court of law.
So basically what is 'contractual' will be decided by the courts in about 3 years time. In the meantime different people will continue to have a different interpretation of what contractual obligations exist.
So the statement is worthless. |
From a legal perspective ‘best efforts’ means very little.
Whoever signed the contract with AstraZeneca on behalf of the EU should have read it first. There is little excuse for not doing so as they took long enough to order anything!
As I said previously, these are classic diversion tactics on behalf of the EU. They’ve screwed up over this and they know it.
Unfortunately it seems many Europeans are falling for the propaganda and refusing to have the vaccine as a result. That’s the real tragedy here. |  | | |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 15:35 - Mar 22 with 1983 views | pointofblue |
Interesting, from the BBC:
UK 'does not receive any AstraZeneca vaccines from EU'
Rachel Schraer
BBC Health Reporter
During a briefing, executive vice president at AstraZeneca, Ruud Dobber, said the UK did not receive any of its AstraZeneca vaccines or components from the EU.
Fellow executive vice president Mene Pangalos then clarified that one "tiny" batch which "hasn't been approved yet" had been sent to the UK from Halix, a plant in the Netherlands that has an agreement with AstraZeneca to manufacture the vaccine.
Imported batches of vaccine have to be tested on arrival.
Halix was one of the University of Oxford's original partners for manufacturing the vaccine, Reuters reported.
The UK is mostly self-sufficient when it comes to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine - and has ordered 100 million doses of the jab.
The EU is mainly being supplied with the AZ vaccine by the US and by a site in Belgium, the company confirmed.
So if they do block vaccines it will be Pfizer and does open the way for the U.K. to play tit for tat over the Pfizer components. Just hope we don’t. | |
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 18:01 - Mar 24 with 1880 views | pointofblue |
I agree but they must have heard me - the U.K. government and EU have just released a joint statement:
“We are all facing the same pandemic and the third wave makes co-operation between the EU and UK even more important," it reads.
"We have been discussing what more we can do to ensure a reciprocally beneficial relationship between the UK and EU on Covid-19.
"Given our interdependencies, we are working on specific steps we can take - in the short-, medium - and long term - to create a win-win situation and expand vaccine supply for all our citizens.
"In the end, openness and global co-operation of all countries will be key to finally overcome this pandemic and ensure better preparation for meeting future challenges.
"We will continue our discussions.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56507669 (at 17.56)
Which sounds more promising that before. [Post edited 24 Mar 2021 18:02]
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 18:09 - Mar 24 with 1872 views | giant_stow |
I saw someone suggesting a tarrif on German cars and French wine might be more morally acceptable than cutting of Pfizer supplies. Not gonna help relations in the wider sense but at least it wouldn't have a cost in lives, so maybe they'd fancy that? [Post edited 24 Mar 2021 18:10]
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 18:11 - Mar 24 with 1868 views | StokieBlue |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 18:09 - Mar 24 by giant_stow |
I saw someone suggesting a tarrif on German cars and French wine might be more morally acceptable than cutting of Pfizer supplies. Not gonna help relations in the wider sense but at least it wouldn't have a cost in lives, so maybe they'd fancy that? [Post edited 24 Mar 2021 18:10]
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What about German wine? Some marvellous Rieslings out there.
Less good French cars of course.
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 18:15 - Mar 24 with 1866 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 18:01 - Mar 24 by pointofblue |
I agree but they must have heard me - the U.K. government and EU have just released a joint statement:
“We are all facing the same pandemic and the third wave makes co-operation between the EU and UK even more important," it reads.
"We have been discussing what more we can do to ensure a reciprocally beneficial relationship between the UK and EU on Covid-19.
"Given our interdependencies, we are working on specific steps we can take - in the short-, medium - and long term - to create a win-win situation and expand vaccine supply for all our citizens.
"In the end, openness and global co-operation of all countries will be key to finally overcome this pandemic and ensure better preparation for meeting future challenges.
"We will continue our discussions.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56507669 (at 17.56)
Which sounds more promising that before. [Post edited 24 Mar 2021 18:02]
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Outwith the Franco-German Axis, there has been some disquiet from a few EU countries over Ursula von der Leyen's heavy handed approach. |  |
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 18:46 - Mar 24 with 1835 views | pointofblue |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 18:15 - Mar 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Outwith the Franco-German Axis, there has been some disquiet from a few EU countries over Ursula von der Leyen's heavy handed approach. |
Some think she’s desperately trying to save face - can’t think why. | |
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 19:15 - Mar 24 with 1819 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 18:46 - Mar 24 by pointofblue |
Some think she’s desperately trying to save face - can’t think why. |
Let's be honest, she has behaved exactly how we would have expected Trump to have behaved. Using people's lives as blackmail.
I don't think this would have happened had Junker and Tusk were still in charge. von der Leyen seems to be completely under the control of Macron and Merkel. | |
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 19:48 - Mar 24 with 1793 views | J2BLUE |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 19:15 - Mar 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Let's be honest, she has behaved exactly how we would have expected Trump to have behaved. Using people's lives as blackmail.
I don't think this would have happened had Junker and Tusk were still in charge. von der Leyen seems to be completely under the control of Macron and Merkel. |
Junker would have done exactly the same IMO.
Tusk, I agree with you. |  |
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 19:51 - Mar 24 with 1791 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 19:48 - Mar 24 by J2BLUE |
Junker would have done exactly the same IMO.
Tusk, I agree with you. |
Tusk was a calming influence on Junker. Who, let's be honest, put his feet up with a large scotch and let Tusk do the heavy lifting. | |
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 19:55 - Mar 24 with 1785 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 07:48 - Mar 22 by Guthrum |
Conducting international diplomacy via angry media statement does not help, either. |
I agree entirely - The Eu Media really have not helped at all... | | | |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 20:21 - Mar 24 with 1765 views | Swansea_Blue |
Funny how the government, media and most people don't seem to be mentioning India. That's been rumbling on for a while and they've now halted exports. |  |
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 08:23 - Mar 25 with 1667 views | Pinewoodblue |
Think this has only been posturing by the EU so they appear to be stronger than they are. There was a story in last weekends Telegraph that Pfizer had warned the EU against blocking delivery of their vaccine to the UK.
People in Europe will remember how the EU stood strong, blocked deliveries to UK, and protected EU citizens. The Police raids on AZ in Belgium and Italy being for show and to project the idea that AZ and UK plots have been foiled.
Why is it so hard for politicians everywhere to admit they got something wrong. | |
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 08:29 - Mar 25 with 1653 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 19:15 - Mar 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Let's be honest, she has behaved exactly how we would have expected Trump to have behaved. Using people's lives as blackmail.
I don't think this would have happened had Junker and Tusk were still in charge. von der Leyen seems to be completely under the control of Macron and Merkel. |
Luckily no Israeli's were involved in this imagery!  |  |
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 09:17 - Mar 25 with 1619 views | Churchman |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 08:23 - Mar 25 by Pinewoodblue |
Think this has only been posturing by the EU so they appear to be stronger than they are. There was a story in last weekends Telegraph that Pfizer had warned the EU against blocking delivery of their vaccine to the UK.
People in Europe will remember how the EU stood strong, blocked deliveries to UK, and protected EU citizens. The Police raids on AZ in Belgium and Italy being for show and to project the idea that AZ and UK plots have been foiled.
Why is it so hard for politicians everywhere to admit they got something wrong. |
The EU seems all over the place on every aspect of this and making it worse by the day.
If they’d been successful in ordering the U.K. to give up every single dose of AZ vaccine, because of ‘Europe first’ to paraphrase VDL, there would be around 20 million doses of AZ in the fridge as opposed to 7.5 million. Or would the continuous assault on AZ and U.K. not have taken place?
If they’d have retained all 12m doses of the Pfizer vaccine, about 2.6% more of the EU population would be vaccinated.
It seems to me that politics comes first, lives second. Aside from the lives idiots like Macron and VDL are costing with their loose mouths and posturing, the long term economic consequences of forcing multinational pharmaceutical companies to break contracts could be significant. |  | | |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 09:26 - Mar 25 with 1615 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 20:21 - Mar 24 by Swansea_Blue |
Funny how the government, media and most people don't seem to be mentioning India. That's been rumbling on for a while and they've now halted exports. |
Careful now. Don’t let footers see that. | |
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 12:01 - Mar 25 with 1547 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
Hey do not worry, you are not the only one on the forum who reads other publications than they admit to!
Was a very informative piece though. I have always respected Junker as a politician - disagreed with him on several issues but he says it how it is. | | | |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 17:32 - Mar 25 with 1504 views | GlasgowBlue |
Looks like they were slow to the party with the Novavax vaccine.
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 17:35 - Mar 25 with 1496 views | StokieBlue |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 17:32 - Mar 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Looks like they were slow to the party with the Novavax vaccine.
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That's great we have them but we don't need that many in reality.
Perhaps we will offer some excess to the EU to help the export of current vaccines along.
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| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 17:37 - Mar 25 with 1492 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Vaccine Wars is going up a notch on 12:01 - Mar 25 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Hey do not worry, you are not the only one on the forum who reads other publications than they admit to!
Was a very informative piece though. I have always respected Junker as a politician - disagreed with him on several issues but he says it how it is. |
I skim read pretty much every paper online every day.
People moan about The Mail but it isn't that bad really, The Express makes The Mail look like The Morning Star.
Must admit I find The Express and The Guardian both very poor with their false headlines and coverage.
I think out of all I prefer The Metro. |  |
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