| Nice to see this gaining some traction 07:04 - Mar 25 with 15061 views | Darth_Koont |
https://twitter.com/FreeNorthNow
And loving the logo and the slogan.
Just like UKIP (but without the xenophobia and fake news about EU) there’s value in outflanking Westminster political parties despite having no real chance to win power at that level. But they can certainly lose the Hartlepool by-election for a moribund and clueless Labour. And hopefully provide some proper representation for the people of Liverpool.
If it can help drive a more devolved approach to the English regions and better political representation then NIP will have done a great job.
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:41 - Mar 25 with 1765 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:31 - Mar 25 by Herbivore |
Although ultimately the red wall crumbled electorally under Corbyn. |
When Brexit was the defining issue yes. It stayed comparatively firm in 2017. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:43 - Mar 25 with 1767 views | footers |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:37 - Mar 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm a Labour supporter. In what way have I changed my mind?
I liked Corbyn's policies, which while they weren't that radical were too radical for this backward country. So we need someone safer and more electable.
It's called compromise, footers. It's what adults do. |
Mate, you were a fully paid-up Corbynista and in the same breath were on here posting 'What's so bad about Mike Ashley?'
Starmer has achieved sweet f-all in a year vs the worst government the country has ever known, even in the polls (a metric that 'centrists' used to out Corbyn but obviously now what's good for the goose isn't for the gander...), and you're out here saying 'give him more time'. Why? It's been abysmal. |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:43 - Mar 25 with 1763 views | giant_stow |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:30 - Mar 25 by footers |
Crikey, you're easily pleased, aren't you? Corbyn fanboy to Starmer loyalist in under a year, it's almost like you change your mind with each passing day. |
harsh! Maybe he's just a labour loyalist. I have a good mate who's a member of the party whose always backed the leader be that Blair or Corbyn. Think there are lots like that. |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:45 - Mar 25 with 1754 views | footers |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:40 - Mar 25 by GlasgowBlue |
As somebody once said, it’s about the policies not the person. |
What are Starmer's policies? | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:49 - Mar 25 with 1735 views | giant_stow |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:43 - Mar 25 by footers |
Mate, you were a fully paid-up Corbynista and in the same breath were on here posting 'What's so bad about Mike Ashley?'
Starmer has achieved sweet f-all in a year vs the worst government the country has ever known, even in the polls (a metric that 'centrists' used to out Corbyn but obviously now what's good for the goose isn't for the gander...), and you're out here saying 'give him more time'. Why? It's been abysmal. |
Out of interest, how should he have proceeded, in the context of a global pandemic? Do you really think the public would react well to politicking in such circumstances. Seems a bit disingenuous to ignore the impact of that. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:53 - Mar 25 with 1707 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:26 - Mar 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You've been on this 'attacking Labour' tip since Starmer got in. Not sure what your beef is with him but like this silly NIPS party, it's not really getting much traction.
Starmer has shown Boris up countless times but in terms of policies you're obviously not going to see much yet as an election is a long way off. For the same reason polls about who you'd vote for if there was an election tomorrow are utterly pointless.
Starmer is playing it sensible at the moment, and rightly so. There's nothing much more he can do against an overwhelming Tory majority, for the time being. |
Starmer/Labour are going to have to show something soon. With COVID dominating the plan seemed to be to let the Tories get on with it and only pipe up to call for action when necessary. And it was sensible, announcing policies with the future unknown would have been ludicrous and just attacking constantly would have landed like a lead balloon with the public. Presumably the plan was to keep that powder dry until things had calmed down and there would have been ample opportunity to attack the handling of COVID
However the success of the vaccine rollout has moved the goalposts. People have short memories and the early disasters will have be forgotten by most. Amazingly, we could conceivably end up in a position when COVID has ‘passed’ that the overall outcome in terms of death count and economy looks quite positive compared to our neighbours
That all puts Labour in a difficult place but for me one area they should really be pushing more is the corruption point - which is an absolute scandal and somehow still flying largely under the radar |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:53 - Mar 25 with 1713 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:43 - Mar 25 by footers |
Mate, you were a fully paid-up Corbynista and in the same breath were on here posting 'What's so bad about Mike Ashley?'
Starmer has achieved sweet f-all in a year vs the worst government the country has ever known, even in the polls (a metric that 'centrists' used to out Corbyn but obviously now what's good for the goose isn't for the gander...), and you're out here saying 'give him more time'. Why? It's been abysmal. |
LOL. I've covered the polls thing above, do keep up.
I don't remember posting 'What's so bad about Mike Ashley?' but if I did it would've been a genuine question as I wasn't up on his business practices. What this has to do with Labour and Starmer lord only knows. |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:54 - Mar 25 with 1709 views | Herbivore |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:41 - Mar 25 by Darth_Koont |
When Brexit was the defining issue yes. It stayed comparatively firm in 2017. |
Actually there were signs of it weakening even in 2017. |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:54 - Mar 25 with 1703 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:41 - Mar 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'll stop at the first on your list - Johnson?!? When on earth has he been outflanked by Johnson even once, let alone "at every turn"!? Have you watched PMQs, the News etc. during this pandemic?
You're posting words that sound good, nothing more. |
Yes, I have. And despite the performative stuff of PMQs and Starmer’s big competence gambit about the adults now being in charge, nowhere near enough people care about that or believe him.
Meanwhile he’s missed the mark on policies and Johnson has even managed to get to the left of him on a number of occasions.
There’s no narrative or vision to make any of this stuff stick. As opposition attacks but most crucially in people’s minds. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:55 - Mar 25 with 1700 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:54 - Mar 25 by Herbivore |
Actually there were signs of it weakening even in 2017. |
Agree totally. Like Scotland before it, support has been on the wane for many years. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:55 - Mar 25 with 1694 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:53 - Mar 25 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Starmer/Labour are going to have to show something soon. With COVID dominating the plan seemed to be to let the Tories get on with it and only pipe up to call for action when necessary. And it was sensible, announcing policies with the future unknown would have been ludicrous and just attacking constantly would have landed like a lead balloon with the public. Presumably the plan was to keep that powder dry until things had calmed down and there would have been ample opportunity to attack the handling of COVID
However the success of the vaccine rollout has moved the goalposts. People have short memories and the early disasters will have be forgotten by most. Amazingly, we could conceivably end up in a position when COVID has ‘passed’ that the overall outcome in terms of death count and economy looks quite positive compared to our neighbours
That all puts Labour in a difficult place but for me one area they should really be pushing more is the corruption point - which is an absolute scandal and somehow still flying largely under the radar |
Absolutely, agree 100% with this. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:55 - Mar 25 with 1698 views | footers |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:49 - Mar 25 by giant_stow |
Out of interest, how should he have proceeded, in the context of a global pandemic? Do you really think the public would react well to politicking in such circumstances. Seems a bit disingenuous to ignore the impact of that. |
Shown an interest in developing policies instead of meetings with PR men about how to be the best flag-shagger? Shown any sort of passion and desire in light of government corruption, cronyism and massive incompetence?
Sorry, but if people want to play this game then it works the other way as well. Starmer is useless. He has barely moved the needle in terms of polling and has set out no positive leftist vision for the UK after a whole year of leading the party. It's nowhere near good enough. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:56 - Mar 25 with 1692 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:45 - Mar 25 by footers |
What are Starmer's policies? |
As a matter of interest, and this is a genuine question, what policies did Corbyn announce in his first year as Labour leader? Bearing in mind both Corbyn and Starmer were elected just after an election defeat with the prospect of another general election being five years away. |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:58 - Mar 25 with 1670 views | footers |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:53 - Mar 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
LOL. I've covered the polls thing above, do keep up.
I don't remember posting 'What's so bad about Mike Ashley?' but if I did it would've been a genuine question as I wasn't up on his business practices. What this has to do with Labour and Starmer lord only knows. |
So, again, you were fully on board with tackling zero-hours contracts, poor working conditions etc but had no clue about one of the country's most infamous exploiter of these practices? Oh Dolly.
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:00 - Mar 25 with 1657 views | WeWereZombies |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:43 - Mar 25 by footers |
Mate, you were a fully paid-up Corbynista and in the same breath were on here posting 'What's so bad about Mike Ashley?'
Starmer has achieved sweet f-all in a year vs the worst government the country has ever known, even in the polls (a metric that 'centrists' used to out Corbyn but obviously now what's good for the goose isn't for the gander...), and you're out here saying 'give him more time'. Why? It's been abysmal. |
Nothing is going to change much until there is some certainty about exiting the pandemic, it's like a Marcus Evans ownership of the political landscape. Put the overwhelming Tory majority in the Commons into the mix and the resulting likelihood that no political imperative will generate an election before the end of term and you have every reason to manoeuvre Labour into a limited bad image in the press stance. And that damage limitation necessity is entirely due to the landslide defeat suffered under Corbyn.
The fundamental problem is Labour's desperate shortage of a leader, a problem they share with the Liberals. They need someone with the charisma of a Sturgeon or a Johnson; but without the craven win at all costs teleology of the latter or the control freakery of the former. It does seem a bit much to hope for that a politician with a set of policies of broad appeal that will make a genuine difference but who knows what the after effects of the pandemic and Brexit will throw up? |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:00 - Mar 25 with 1651 views | footers |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:56 - Mar 25 by GlasgowBlue |
As a matter of interest, and this is a genuine question, what policies did Corbyn announce in his first year as Labour leader? Bearing in mind both Corbyn and Starmer were elected just after an election defeat with the prospect of another general election being five years away. |
So he hasn't got any? Thanks for that. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:00 - Mar 25 with 1646 views | pointofblue |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 08:51 - Mar 25 by Darth_Koont |
Yeah, I don’t get the Keith stuff. I’m guessing that it’s a way of taking back Keir in the Keir Hardie sense but don’t know.
Agree that it’s not ideal to split the vote but I see it much more as putting pressure on a Labour Party that has taken the North and socialist/social democrat votes for granted for far too long. Basically i see it as a protest against the same disenfranchisement and disillusionment that meant Scotland eventually abandoned Labour.
Labour under Starmer are pretty useless and lack any direction beyond shuffling right draped in a Union Jack. Anything that brings them back onto a more productive course and helps them shape a genuine alternative vision for the UK is a blessing. |
Though the North, in particular the Red Wall, voted for the Boris Johnson over a very socialist leader in December 2019. |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:02 - Mar 25 with 1643 views | chicoazul |
One day someone will work out that a socially and morally conservative, patriotic, unionist, traditional, Christian party that leans left economically and right on law and order will sweep up all those old Labour votes looking for a home right across Britain. |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:04 - Mar 25 with 1615 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:54 - Mar 25 by Darth_Koont |
Yes, I have. And despite the performative stuff of PMQs and Starmer’s big competence gambit about the adults now being in charge, nowhere near enough people care about that or believe him.
Meanwhile he’s missed the mark on policies and Johnson has even managed to get to the left of him on a number of occasions.
There’s no narrative or vision to make any of this stuff stick. As opposition attacks but most crucially in people’s minds. |
You said Johnson has outflanked him at every turn. That's simply not true. It's correct that nowhere near enough people care but that will take time. You don't just turn around a massive Tory majority, with a global pandemic muddying the waters, overnight.
What do you expect him to do that he isn't doing? What do you think would make a massively Tory country just switch to Labour (whilst having more important things on their minds)? I'm afraid the whippet party isn't your answer. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:13 - Mar 25 with 1595 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:00 - Mar 25 by WeWereZombies |
Nothing is going to change much until there is some certainty about exiting the pandemic, it's like a Marcus Evans ownership of the political landscape. Put the overwhelming Tory majority in the Commons into the mix and the resulting likelihood that no political imperative will generate an election before the end of term and you have every reason to manoeuvre Labour into a limited bad image in the press stance. And that damage limitation necessity is entirely due to the landslide defeat suffered under Corbyn.
The fundamental problem is Labour's desperate shortage of a leader, a problem they share with the Liberals. They need someone with the charisma of a Sturgeon or a Johnson; but without the craven win at all costs teleology of the latter or the control freakery of the former. It does seem a bit much to hope for that a politician with a set of policies of broad appeal that will make a genuine difference but who knows what the after effects of the pandemic and Brexit will throw up? |
I think a progressive electoral alliance with a commitment to PR and a Green New Deal could be a winner. It would also be a far more positive vision of the future for the under 40s and minorities who look pretty unrepresented at Westminster and certainly in the national debate.
Who could lead that, I don’t know. Clive Lewis talks a lot about it but possibly too much of a “leftie” for such a broad church alliance. While Sturgeon is already doing this but will rightly be seen as a separatist.
Might even be where a new Labour leader ends up in a year or two just to make any headway at all. But with the people currently running the party that looks a long shot.
What would be telling is to see who from UK national politics starts making real overtures to the SNP, the Greens and minority representatives rather than trying to ignore their issues. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:21 - Mar 25 with 1576 views | Herbivore |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:55 - Mar 25 by Darth_Koont |
Agree totally. Like Scotland before it, support has been on the wane for many years. |
And Corbyn failed to address that. His main appeal was to a primarily urban middle class base. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:21 - Mar 25 with 1575 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:04 - Mar 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You said Johnson has outflanked him at every turn. That's simply not true. It's correct that nowhere near enough people care but that will take time. You don't just turn around a massive Tory majority, with a global pandemic muddying the waters, overnight.
What do you expect him to do that he isn't doing? What do you think would make a massively Tory country just switch to Labour (whilst having more important things on their minds)? I'm afraid the whippet party isn't your answer. |
As you say I’ve been pretty vocal throughout when I think Labour and Starmer have been poor and outflanked.
But might be worthwhile to list everything down so I’ll have a go at that later. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:25 - Mar 25 with 1564 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 09:58 - Mar 25 by footers |
So, again, you were fully on board with tackling zero-hours contracts, poor working conditions etc but had no clue about one of the country's most infamous exploiter of these practices? Oh Dolly.
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Jesus, you've searched back more than a year to find a post which I couldn't even remember myself and which has nothing to do with the subject in hand.
You really need to get a life mate. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:29 - Mar 25 with 1560 views | footers |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:25 - Mar 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Jesus, you've searched back more than a year to find a post which I couldn't even remember myself and which has nothing to do with the subject in hand.
You really need to get a life mate. |
It would be wonderfully naieve if you weren't a bloke pushing 50. I remembered because it was so at odds with what you'd been so apparently passionate about for more than a year, just like Russell Brand all over again :) | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:30 - Mar 25 with 1554 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:21 - Mar 25 by Herbivore |
And Corbyn failed to address that. His main appeal was to a primarily urban middle class base. |
I think the SNP filling the void before he even became leader put paid to that.
And for someone who appealed to primarily urban middle class base, he spent an awful lot of time banging on about workers’ and their rights, poverty and other systemic inequalities. Almost as if that could be a vote-winner across whole swathes of the country.
It’s undeniable that most of that was undermined by a simplistic Brexiteer message from the Tories and by the most relentless media campaign against him to sway Remainers. Neither of those had much basis in reality or indeed policy but fighting on reality and policy wouldn’t have worked. | |
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