| Nice to see this gaining some traction 07:04 - Mar 25 with 15072 views | Darth_Koont |
https://twitter.com/FreeNorthNow
And loving the logo and the slogan.
Just like UKIP (but without the xenophobia and fake news about EU) there’s value in outflanking Westminster political parties despite having no real chance to win power at that level. But they can certainly lose the Hartlepool by-election for a moribund and clueless Labour. And hopefully provide some proper representation for the people of Liverpool.
If it can help drive a more devolved approach to the English regions and better political representation then NIP will have done a great job.
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 13:39 - Mar 25 with 2364 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 12:27 - Mar 25 by BlueWorldOrder |
That will keep the Tories in. If you want the Tories out you have to vote Labour, same goes for the Scots. The Scots by voting Nats have kept the Tories in power. If you do the same in England you will end up splitting the vote and getting Tories forever more. |
Or lib dem. Past results have shown that Labour do better if the Lib Dems can split the Tory vote. So anyone who normally votes Tory but sees the value in domestic and international law, is anti-corruption, thinks people are still people even if born in a different place or who can't reach an orgasm from pictures of the Union flag could think about lending their vote to the Lib Dems.
Granted, they're fkn useless. But that's still an improvement imo.
Don't vote LD if you normally vote labour though - that'd be useless. Nutter Tories can also vote National Front or whatever Farage is calling his latest venture. |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 13:56 - Mar 25 with 2342 views | Herbivore |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 13:21 - Mar 25 by Darth_Koont |
Think you’re downplaying that massively for Corbyn. I’ve never seen anything remotely like it for any mainstream political figure.
While you also seem to want Starmer to be given an even easier ride and no criticism for him and his team’s own active decisions and resulting polling. |
So this is about vengeance, as I've said all along. Glad we've cleared that up. |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 14:01 - Mar 25 with 2335 views | GlasgowBlue |
You know those swivel eyed brexiters, who arent content with the UK leaving the EU but want the whole of the EU to fall apart?
Well that's you with the UK. |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 14:06 - Mar 25 with 2335 views | hype313 |
Gaining traction? They have 32k followers, Reform UK (Which is essentially redundant now Brexit has happened) have 220k. |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 14:10 - Mar 25 with 2324 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:48 - Mar 25 by footers |
Oh no, what a shame. Put it down in your bookie wook. |
Are you ok? You've started to get very aggressive again with people who hold different opinions to you.. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 14:13 - Mar 25 with 2317 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 13:56 - Mar 25 by Herbivore |
So this is about vengeance, as I've said all along. Glad we've cleared that up. |
That’s a bit silly.
I want better, more responsible politicians and parties. And fewer excuses for the crap ones who can and do take votes for granted because of our awful FPTP system.
Shoot me. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 14:16 - Mar 25 with 2303 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 14:01 - Mar 25 by GlasgowBlue |
You know those swivel eyed brexiters, who arent content with the UK leaving the EU but want the whole of the EU to fall apart?
Well that's you with the UK. |
Gmpf. You’re always 10 years late to the party.
I may be 10 years too early but better than always trying to justify a failing democracy and failing arguments. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 14:20 - Mar 25 with 2293 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 14:06 - Mar 25 by hype313 |
Gaining traction? They have 32k followers, Reform UK (Which is essentially redundant now Brexit has happened) have 220k. |
Totally agree. But it’s a start. And think they can be an effective protest voice in Hartlepool in particular and a decent focus for an awful lot of concern about where Labour are heading. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 14:25 - Mar 25 with 2282 views | Herbivore |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 14:13 - Mar 25 by Darth_Koont |
That’s a bit silly.
I want better, more responsible politicians and parties. And fewer excuses for the crap ones who can and do take votes for granted because of our awful FPTP system.
Shoot me. |
And you don't think Corbyn took the red wall votes for granted? | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 15:18 - Mar 25 with 2256 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 14:25 - Mar 25 by Herbivore |
And you don't think Corbyn took the red wall votes for granted? |
No, not really. Very little of his actual message got out though and was often drowned out by all the irrelevant stuff and misrepresentation from his enemies.
But he tried to move on from Brexit (but was dragged back by the PV element). And promised lots of welfare reform, structural investment and regional economic regeneration. Also the North/South divide and the damage it causes is as much a class and age divide as a geographic one, which I think he recognised and was always central to his policy platform.
Now, Starmer is focusing on the North by focusing on what I’ll paraphrase as “older racist homeowners”. Totally missing the point. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 15:21 - Mar 25 with 2249 views | Herbivore |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 15:18 - Mar 25 by Darth_Koont |
No, not really. Very little of his actual message got out though and was often drowned out by all the irrelevant stuff and misrepresentation from his enemies.
But he tried to move on from Brexit (but was dragged back by the PV element). And promised lots of welfare reform, structural investment and regional economic regeneration. Also the North/South divide and the damage it causes is as much a class and age divide as a geographic one, which I think he recognised and was always central to his policy platform.
Now, Starmer is focusing on the North by focusing on what I’ll paraphrase as “older racist homeowners”. Totally missing the point. |
Wow. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 15:30 - Mar 25 with 2235 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 15:21 - Mar 25 by Herbivore |
Wow. |
I know. And some people think Starmer is still the answer! | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 15:38 - Mar 25 with 2220 views | Herbivore |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 15:30 - Mar 25 by Darth_Koont |
I know. And some people think Starmer is still the answer! |
The jury is out on that one. But some of the stuff in your post doesn't do much to dispel those who used to refer to Corbynites as being like a cult. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 16:28 - Mar 25 with 2195 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 15:38 - Mar 25 by Herbivore |
The jury is out on that one. But some of the stuff in your post doesn't do much to dispel those who used to refer to Corbynites as being like a cult. |
Well, it doesn’t help that anyone who thinks Corbyn’s take was a fundamentally decent and sound one is called a cultist. Ditto anyone who thinks Starmer is more problem than solution.
And with supposedly normal and balanced political commentators banging on about
how unworkable, out of touch and radical these views are. They really aren’t if you step out of the UK bubble.
But the self-appointed voices of reason assume that their instinctive opinions are automatically balanced, rational and pragmatic so they’ve given up actually looking for any of that. And seem utterly bemused when politics and events pass them by. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 16:30 - Mar 25 with 2191 views | tractordownsouth |
Nothing screams left-wing values like wanting the Tories to beat Labour! |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 16:34 - Mar 25 with 2181 views | giant_stow |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 16:28 - Mar 25 by Darth_Koont |
Well, it doesn’t help that anyone who thinks Corbyn’s take was a fundamentally decent and sound one is called a cultist. Ditto anyone who thinks Starmer is more problem than solution.
And with supposedly normal and balanced political commentators banging on about
how unworkable, out of touch and radical these views are. They really aren’t if you step out of the UK bubble.
But the self-appointed voices of reason assume that their instinctive opinions are automatically balanced, rational and pragmatic so they’ve given up actually looking for any of that. And seem utterly bemused when politics and events pass them by. |
A little event like the pandemic seems to have passed the left wing critics by - they're still fighting the last battle, while the Tories dish out goodies from the money tree. Didn't they even nick one of Corbyn's manistesto pledge policies or am I dreaming that? |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 16:42 - Mar 25 with 2169 views | tractordownsouth |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 14:06 - Mar 25 by hype313 |
Gaining traction? They have 32k followers, Reform UK (Which is essentially redundant now Brexit has happened) have 220k. |
So even in the Twitter world (which is almost irrelevant to public opinion) it isn't gaining traction | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 16:43 - Mar 25 with 2165 views | chicoazul |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 15:18 - Mar 25 by Darth_Koont |
No, not really. Very little of his actual message got out though and was often drowned out by all the irrelevant stuff and misrepresentation from his enemies.
But he tried to move on from Brexit (but was dragged back by the PV element). And promised lots of welfare reform, structural investment and regional economic regeneration. Also the North/South divide and the damage it causes is as much a class and age divide as a geographic one, which I think he recognised and was always central to his policy platform.
Now, Starmer is focusing on the North by focusing on what I’ll paraphrase as “older racist homeowners”. Totally missing the point. |
“But what if the voters are stupid?” |  |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 18:29 - Mar 25 with 2126 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 16:30 - Mar 25 by tractordownsouth |
Nothing screams left-wing values like wanting the Tories to beat Labour! |
Indeed. No wonder the Forde inquiry is in the very long grass.
And nothing screams left-wing values more than wanting a left-wing party to actually have them. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 18:32 - Mar 25 with 2116 views | Darth_Koont |
That’s why I said comparatively. This move from Labour wasn’t overnight and it started even before Corbyn. | |
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| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 18:43 - Mar 25 with 2104 views | Funge |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 10:49 - Mar 25 by Herbivore |
Except it wasn't a vote winner across the country, it was the opposite. He lost seats to the Tories that nobody could ever imagine would be won by the Tories. Of course Brexit was a significant factor but Labour weren't really helped by Corbyn being pretty useless. He didn't connect with those people whose rights he said he cared about. I'm not sure he spent that much time engaging them either, most of his rallies were attended by students and young middle class professionals.
He showed a failure of leadership throughout on Brexit as well. You can't just pin it entirely on the media. Of course they are influential, but nobody outside a small core of students and educated middle class folk believed in Corbyn. Nobody really knew where he stood on issues that mattered to them, particularly on Brexit. To lose the trust of both leavers and remainers really takes some doing. |
I bang on about this all the time - Nottinghamshire and Northumberland miners voted Tory in the last election; what further proof does one need that Corbyn was anathema to Labour?
M14's post above encapsulates my views on Labour at the current time.
Want another 10 years of Priti Patel? Indulge this NIPS rubbish. |  | | |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 18:48 - Mar 25 with 2092 views | Funge |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 16:30 - Mar 25 by tractordownsouth |
Nothing screams left-wing values like wanting the Tories to beat Labour! |
You rabid centrist. | | | |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 18:49 - Mar 25 with 2091 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 12:27 - Mar 25 by BlueWorldOrder |
That will keep the Tories in. If you want the Tories out you have to vote Labour, same goes for the Scots. The Scots by voting Nats have kept the Tories in power. If you do the same in England you will end up splitting the vote and getting Tories forever more. |
I don't think Scots voting for the SNP has kept the Tories in power. Even if Labour had won every seat in Scotland in 2019, the Conservatives would still be in power.
In 2017 the 13 Scottish seats the Tories won could have made a difference, but the SNP was the second place party in all of them, and in many cases were miles ahead of Labour - if you want to point the finger at anyone, it would be Labour voters failing to back the opponent most likely to beat the Tories that cost the party the election.
In 2010 and 2015 the Tories won one seat in Scotland, so whatever happened up there didn't affect the national outcome.
What we really need are opposition parties that can be grown up enough to stand down for whoever is most likely to beat the Tories. Personally I was very pleased to see Jo Swinson lose her seat in 2019 after the Lib Dem's approach to the election, which handed several seats to the Tories. |  | | |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 18:51 - Mar 25 with 2087 views | Darth_Koont |
| Nice to see this gaining some traction on 16:34 - Mar 25 by giant_stow |
A little event like the pandemic seems to have passed the left wing critics by - they're still fighting the last battle, while the Tories dish out goodies from the money tree. Didn't they even nick one of Corbyn's manistesto pledge policies or am I dreaming that? |
The pandemic has exposed issues and the need to do better for society and help those who need it.
Yet amidst this we have Labour arguing against raising our ridiculously low tax on company profits and not even able to push for much fairer pay for our key workers. Because ... Corbyn?
Clueless unprincipled asshats. | |
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